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[daem3an]

Before this gets out of hand...
There were a lot of posts about this on the old forums, including conversations with the devs, so Bioware is definitely aware of the concerns. A good topic and very entertaining, give it a search when they make the archives available. My favorite posts are the false history/cultural lessons and the one or two that claim dark skinned people don't play crpgs. Although one or two from this thread are up there as well. You know who you are.

Ahem. Anyway, while not necessary to enjoy the game (for me), I agree it would have been a nice feature such as was evident in Fallout 3 where I played an Asian-looking character named oldboy. I believe the official explanation for DAO was that Fereldan society is almost universally light skinned (similar to all characters in Jade Empire having Asian features), but the dark skinned options were provided so the player could still customize their own character's personal look and history (adopted, etc.) regardless of that fact. I don't know how that applies to the other races.

I barely remember genetics from high school, but as for darker skin tones appearing in 'white' families... this does happen, I have proof. So it's not such a stretch for me.

[Xeiru]

Theres a difference between the suspension of disbelief in a fantasy setting (dragons/magic/elves exist) vs arguing about what is realistic in that setting.



Honestly I don't really care if they change it or not. My point is that whining about it is silly, and that in order to really make it work more than a simple pallete change would be necessary. Unless of course you don't really care about making it "realistic" in terms of the setting, in which case, your parents are out of the picture so quickly its just as easy to forget they were white in the first place.

[elkston]

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So then you think it would be natural in a game where no noble family seems to have a single black member, on a continent with seemingly no black people, for there to be a random noble family of black people with no explanation to why or how?

Yeah, you're right. That makes complete sense.

It doesn't have to make sense.  It's only a concession.  We could assume that in Ferelden's world, "racism" amongst humans is a non-issue and a black noble family would not cause a double-take.

The point is -- it is our fantasy. 

[DrafonGire]

Kingthrall, that isn't funny at all. I don't see how you call this person your friend if you take joy into deceiving him in such a way that leads him to be kicked out of his home and leave his religion.



You're a pretty terrible person.

[Valmy]

I do sorta wish they had enforced the setting a little more, like in Jade Empire you couldn't make a white character even if you wanted to, than allow you to make a black dude only to notice how silly it is.



I mean Ferelden is based on old Anglo-Saxon England everybody should, you know, look sorta like an Anglo-Saxon.



But on the other hand perhaps it is better to allow the player a bit more freedom with the understanding you need a bit of suspension of disbelief? I can see both sides. Maybe you were adopted *shrug*

[Xeiru]

DrafonGire wrote...

Xeiru, Dwarves and Elves are drastically different RACES. Are you saying that black people do not belong to the Human race and thus should have their own separate origin stories?

Tell you what, just for laughs. Yes thats exactly what I'm saying. Have at thee!

(Honestly DrafonGire you're "Interwebs Conscience" routine is pretty amusing)

Modifié par Xeiru, 18 novembre 2009 - 05:26 .

[daem3an]

kingthrall wrote...

they are not many black people in australia, and racism is accepted as humour here at least for me. Not derogitory but somthing to laugh at. Its like black comedy for us. I have many freinds from african and muslim countries. Its like when i fed my muslim freind a pork sausage and he thaught it was one of the best meals he has had, his parents kicked him out of home and now he is atheiest because of me.

Being able to laugh at oneself is a good quality. But it's important to realize that racism can seem less funny when you've had experience of the harm and pain it can cause.

[kingthrall]

DrafonGire wrote...

Kingthrall, that isn't funny at all. I don't see how you call this person your friend if you take joy into deceiving him in such a way that leads him to be kicked out of his home and leave his religion.

You're a pretty terrible person.

i didnt force him to eat it, i told him it was pork and he ate it regardless. Not my choice he could of easily refused, i did give him a tiny bit of pressure but its like smoking bud, your choice in the end not to give in to peer pressure.

[elkston]

But on the other hand perhaps it is better to allow the player a bit more freedom with the understanding you need a bit of suspension of disbelief? I can see both sides. Maybe you were adopted *shrug*

That was my explanation.   There are "blacks" in another far-off land that Cousland visited for a trade expedition.  Somehow I got picked up there.  

I mean look, I had a great time playing DA:O as my black noble.  This wasn't really that BIG of a deal. I just get distrubed when people get all bent out of shape when someone just brings up the discrepancy.  

Modifié par elkston, 18 novembre 2009 - 05:42 .

[Habelo]

why would anyone want to play as a black man anyway? :S

[elkston]

Habelo wrote...

why would anyone want to play as a black man anyway? :S

Gee. Maybe, just MAYBE black people have computers.  And play games.  And maybe play CRPGs?

MAYBE they want to sometimes have an avatar that looks simllar to them when given the choice?

You know, something you might take for granted because it's never been denied you?

[Xeiru]

The only people who seem to be "disturbed" are the "poor helpless minorities" in this thread whos civil rights have been trampled on because their internet parents dont' share their ethnicity. A great injustice which is currently being propogated by an apparently white supremicist group of "rational thinkers" (perish the thought) who insist that changing the pallete color wouldn't make sense in this setting. Thankfully DrafonGire, the local internet conscience police and white appologist is here to save the day and tell us all why we are so wrong!

More news at 7.

Modifié par Xeiru, 18 novembre 2009 - 05:31 .

[Hurkaleez]

deathwing200 wrote...

Pseudo310 wrote...

deathwing200 wrote...

That's because the development time could be spent on fixing bugs and making DLC instead of wasting it on pointless changes, which don't matter to most people.

'Pointless' is relative. I told you the point. Whether you think the point is worthwhile is up to you, but I do. So I'm giving Bioware feedback.

And you're the minority with your opinion. Just because you cry the loudest, doesn't mean Bio should cater to your whims. You have mummy for that.

Amen! Notice how after you pointed him as being the only complainer a mysterious 2nd poster logs on and takes up his mantle and he doesn't post after? Seems creating 2 accounts declassifies you as a minority opionion.

[daem3an]

This forum has become a hateful unpleasant place all of a sudden.

[oyukichan]

I agree that the OP has a point. If it's possible to program the relatives of the player character to reflect the choices made in character creation, then it would be a good thing to do. I have not played Fallout 3 yet, but it seems cool to me that something like that can be done.



So, something to consider next time around, eh?

[kingthrall]

this is what happens if you put a black man into your game

Duncan Revamped 1.0

Modifié par kingthrall, 18 novembre 2009 - 05:49 .

[elkston]

Xeiru wrote...

The only people who seem to be "disturbed" are the "poor helpless minorities" in this thread whos civil rights have been trampled on because their internet parents dont' share their ethnicity. A great injustice which is currently being propogated by an apparently white supremicist group of "rational thinkers" (perish the thought) who insist that changing the pallete color wouldn't make sense in this setting. Thankfully DrafonGire, the local internet conscience police and white appologist is here to save the day and tell us all why we are so wrong!

More news at 7.

See, this is what I mean.  Already the uber-defensiveness and claims of rampant white guilt. 

I see only suggestions.  No threats. No pledges of lawsuits. No vows to stop playing the game.  Only some comments from a certain perspective. 

But then somehow that becomes the regular old "minorities don't know their place and complain too much" to people like yourself.

Modifié par elkston, 18 novembre 2009 - 05:41 .

[Zealuu]

DrafonGire wrote...

 We're talking about a players ENJOYMENT which is the sole purpose of a game.

You have to admit it seems a little convoluted that you cannot possibly ever find enjoyment within a game unless your virtual forebears aesthetically adjust to your character in said game?

[Schyzm]

this thread delivers

[Nosuchluck]

It's not racist to accept that the country feralden is set in a eurpean setting, so it's extremely unlikely that there would be a black noble family. If you really want an explanation for your characters skin colour couldn't you just assume that your father doesn't want you to go to war because he doesn't want to put his bastard son on display?

[cipher86]

Black people have no place in my RPGs. Just saying, if they were there, I'd be treating them worse than elves.

[Spatchmo]

How DARE the original post make a suggestion to Bioware?!



Some of you are reacting to him making a post about this as if he ran up and punched your mother on the street. He makes a valid point, and if it's something that would make the game more enjoyable for him, why shouldn't he suggest it?

[cipher86]

Black people have no place in Ferelden, THAT'S why. It's ****ing Europe, basically. If there WERE black people, they'd be slaves, and that would be WAY worse for Bioware.



So STFU

[elkston]

Zealuu wrote...

DrafonGire wrote...

 We're talking about a players ENJOYMENT which is the sole purpose of a game.

You have to admit it seems a little convoluted that you cannot possibly ever find enjoyment within a game unless your virtual forebears aesthetically adjust to your character in said game?

You know what's funny? Some people complained when they were forced to play a black character in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas.  There were even mods to change CJ white.  Seems certain folks don't like it in the super-rare occasion that the situation is reversed.

But let us make a little suggestion and it is an affront on common sense and the social order.

[Xeiru]

elkston wrote...


See, this is what I mean.  Already the uber-defensiveness and claims of rampant white guilt. 

I see only suggestions.  No threats. No pledges of lawsuits. No vows to stop playing the game.  Only some comments from a certain perspective. 

But then somehow that becomes the regular old "minorities don't know their place and complain too much" to people like yourself.

defensiveness? white guilt?

And what precisely should I feel guilty for? Or be defensive about?

You see only comments from a certain perspective. A perspective I call stupid, which is why I'm making it my business to point out how stupid it is.

Nowhere did I say "No blacky, you can't have your game your way". I just said that it would require much more than a pallete change to make it make sense and that its far easier to either ignore it (since its such a minor part of the game) or to play from a different origin story (that would make sense) or even to just roll a white dude.

Now about complaining too much, yeah I do think minorities seem to whine about some stupid stuff. Especially blacks. You don't see asians in here complaining there are no asian palletes or facial features, or indians (either kind), or any other race. Why is it just blacks deserve special treatment? That sounds more racist to me then just leaving the story the way the developers want to tell it ( race being determined by location in the fictional world).