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[Xeiru]

TheRealBrave wrote...

Actually now that I think about it, I'd compare the Qunari culture to ancient Hindu/Indian (country of India - for those less informed) culture than Ancient/Medieval African Societies.

Don't say that! Now we get to listen to them complain that the "white man" created a fantasy world with no black people in it. Bloody hell...

[Wolff Laarcen]

tl;dr: DOA is racist. Fight the power. torrent bioware releases.

[GStruwe]

TheRealBrave wrote...

Sten isn't black, however there are comparisons that people can find between African Culture (Medieval/Ancient eras) and Qunari Culture.

Qunari is based on the Mayan culture.

[TheRealBrave]

People actually cared about playing a Black Male in San Andreas...? How stupid and petty.

[GravityParade]

Nobles Of Unusual Color? I don't believe they exist

[Livemmo]

Johohoho.Ehehehe wrote...

Pseudo310 wrote...

Hey Bioware, I have some quick feedback for you. I made a black human noble character. His whole family was white. The whole kingdom was white. That is just silly. Could you do some palette-swapping or something to make the characters who are only in the game's intro consistent with your skin tone? I realize the "no black people in Ferelden" conversation has already been done, but unless there is a reveal that my character was adopted it's jarring and dumb for my family to be the whitest white people. It was done in Fallout 3 and I really appreciated it then. It's a nice acknowledgment that not everyone playing these games is white.

Thanks.

Imagine how I must have felt when playing San Andreas. Such discussions are pointless.

Dont you understand? It doesnt matter if you're white and discriminated against. Nobody cares. Obviously, just because I was born white, the whole world is just handed to me. We white folk dont need to worry about financial problems like paying our rent or other bills. Thats all taken care of because were white.

/sarcasm

[TheRealBrave]

GStruwe wrote...

TheRealBrave wrote...

Sten isn't black, however there are comparisons that people can find between African Culture (Medieval/Ancient eras) and Qunari Culture.

Qunari is based on the Mayan culture.

That's cool. I'm not very familiar with history regarding Mayans and most other "New World" civilizations.

[WildstarGoethe]

Livemmo wrote...
I agree. We need an origin about the NBA and Popeye's chicken to equal it out. Then we can put spinners on our horses.

Congratulations. You have made me laugh out loud.

[TheRealBrave]

Wolff Laarcen wrote...

tl;dr: DOA is racist. Fight the power. torrent bioware releases.

Assuming you aren't being sarcastic, if these Bioware games offend you so much - why would you bother torrenting them? It'd make a bigger statement to just not play the game at all. Are you just looking for an excuse to get a handout? Hmm, something to ponder.

[Suron]

Livemmo wrote...

Johohoho.Ehehehe wrote...

Pseudo310 wrote...

Hey Bioware, I have some quick feedback for you. I made a black human noble character. His whole family was white. The whole kingdom was white. That is just silly. Could you do some palette-swapping or something to make the characters who are only in the game's intro consistent with your skin tone? I realize the "no black people in Ferelden" conversation has already been done, but unless there is a reveal that my character was adopted it's jarring and dumb for my family to be the whitest white people. It was done in Fallout 3 and I really appreciated it then. It's a nice acknowledgment that not everyone playing these games is white.

Thanks.

Imagine how I must have felt when playing San Andreas. Such discussions are pointless.

Dont you understand? It doesnt matter if you're white and discriminated against. Nobody cares. Obviously, just because I was born white, the whole world is just handed to me. We white folk dont need to worry about financial problems like paying our rent or other bills. Thats all taken care of because were white.

/sarcasm

lol..reminds me of wesly snipes...low-life dodged taxes for awhile..owed a ton...and used the "it's because I'm black" card when they went after him....

I respected him up till that point.

[Xeiru]

Suron wrote...

lol..reminds me of wesly snipes...low-life dodged taxes for awhile..owed a ton...and used the "it's because I'm black" card when they went after him....

I respected him up till that point.

If theres one thing i've learned to expect from high profile african americans its that they are all one arrest/accusation away from becoming persecuted minorities singled out for their color.

And on the flip side all rich white men are one arrest/accusation away from becoming steady indications of the moral ambiguity of the entire white race.

[TheRealBrave]

This would be like complaining you couldn't play a White Son of a White Noble in a land based off of Ancient Africa. It's just stupid and self-centered.

[Urbanmech]

This thread makes me love being human. Go humanity!

[Xeiru]

Wolff Laarcen wrote...

tl;dr: DOA is racist. Fight the power. torrent bioware releases.

Must have missed this on the first pass.

You know I never thought of it, but Dead or Alive is racist!

I mean all that softcore porn and not one black girl.

You should go troll their forums.

[Livemmo]

I'm going to attempt to bring this thread back on topic, but I doubt I'll be successful. The Couslands are a white family and this isnt Fallout 3. If you dont like it, dont play the origin. Play an Elf or a Mage. Theres a reason why theres 6 origins in this game.



And of course, like many have said before, if you dont like what I wrote above or think that the game needs to change just because you're black, try playing San Andreas as a white person.

[Wolff Laarcen]

Xeiru wrote...
Must have missed this on the first pass.
You know I never thought of it, but Dead or Alive is racist!
I mean all that softcore porn and not one black girl.
You should go troll their forums.

Well done, caught me in a typo.  I guess with your caucasian physiology you're used to focusing on minutia.  But seriously, arent you late for your Klan meeting?

Modifié par Wolff Laarcen, 18 novembre 2009 - 08:22 .

[Riot Inducer]

Urbanmech wrote...

This thread makes me love being human. Go humanity!

You and me both

[spokenwordd]

TheRealBrave wrote...

This would be like complaining you couldn't play a White Son of a White Noble in a land based off of Ancient Africa. It's just stupid and self-centered.

Ok.. this isht is getting asinine now.....  For the last time, this is NOT a racial equality issue!  Games don't create or destroy racial equality.  This is simply a continuity issue....  They allow you to roll black toons then your family [which by all indications are blood family] should match the palette ie Fallout 3.

This has NOTHING to do with what they did NOT put in the game like asians etc etc this has to do with what they DID put in.  If I see you walking down the street with shoes that don't match I'll go "Oh look at hat isht, kinda crazy".  It would be the same if they had a black noble family that did not match a rolled white toon.  Same disparity...

Some of you sloondorfs have gone so far off base that you know you need to be slapped.  Forget race cards, medievel Europe and Wesley Snipes... nothing to do with the original issue.  Issue is simple... Noble Family should match your toon.  Funny how they make allowances for the sex of your character but not the ethnicity.  Not suggesting that this is a racist motivation, I DO NOT think it is...  Just saying it is not consistant.

Funny part of all of this is that none of you that are making racial jokes would have the ball sac to do it if you were not hiding behind internet anonymity.  Get off of the race cards and poor taste jokes and see the big picture, the shoes don't match is all.

And for the last time the game is NOT based on Europe... are there dragons, magic, warves, elves and demons in 12th century Europe, HELL NO!  Get off of it, means nothing, they can write whatever they want this is fiction.

[telephasic]

Holy **** this thread is full of racist fail.

To the original poster, yes, a black noble in Ferelden stretches credibility, but not for the reasons other posters have said. Ferelden does have more lenient rules about who becomes a noble than other nations on Thedas, meaning an outsider could become one. However, you discover in your origin your family's history goes back centuries - to before the founding of Ferelden actually. Given nobility generally only marries other nobility, this would mean that a goodly portion of the Arls and Bans would have to have been black for centuries in order to ensure that you end with a "black" family ruling Highever.

There probably are black people somewhere in Thedas - we know at least Riavin in the north is dark skinned, but we hear little about it. However, the attitude towards human racial differences in Ferelden seems similar to premodern Europe - black people are so rare there is generally speaking no racism towards them. This cuts both ways though - since they have no stigma, and finding a mate from home is difficult, they intermarry and totally blend into the population within a generation. Keep in mind a stiff color line between Black and White is *only* a U.S. invention. In Europe, everyone "white" has between 1.5% and 10% black blood now for the very reasons outlined above.  So in Thedas you surely could expect to meet the occasional black trader or sailor, and maybe their mixed-race child, but you shouldn't expect to see an ongoing resident black population.  

As an aside, this is also the reason why the continued existence of black people in the Fallout series struck me as weird. After a nuclear war most everyone would die, particularly in cities. Those people who were left wouldn't be too picky about who they settled down with. Hence, I'd expect everyone in the U.S. outside of the South to range from white to light brown.

But you do have one big argument in your defense. If Bioware really wanted to keep it realistic, they wouldn't have allowed female PCs either - or would have forced female PCs to dress as men or something. No sexism at all exists in Ferelden (although it does among the Qunari) precisely because they decided making the game fun for people who wanted to play women was more important than realism. Thus, I conclude they should include black people, even if it seems really silly.

Modifié par telephasic, 18 novembre 2009 - 08:29 .

[telephasic]

spokenwordd wrote...
They allow you to roll black toons then your family [which by all indications are blood family] should match the palette ie Fallout 3.

What the hell is a toon?  Is this some newfangled word for PC?  

[DarthKaldriss]

_Loc_N_lol_ wrote...

Well, the Chasind are black, but there is no barbarian human origin, unfortunately (would have been way more interesting than a human farmer origin for sure, especially since they seem to be the first people hit by the blight on the surface).

Anyway, if you want your human noble to be consistant with oyur origin story, your character should be white, and probly have dark hair too (cf Fergus Cousland)

         Thats odd as the Chasind you see in Lothering are all white.

[Xeiru]

Wolff Laarcen wrote...

Well done, caught me in a typo.  I guess with your caucasian physiology you're used to focusing on minutia.  But seriously, arent you late for your Klan meeting?

A penis joke! How quaint. And whats this? Accusing someone who disagrees with you of being racist! What an original and totally unprecedented idea!

You sir are truly a shining example of your lineage. I'm sure your parents are very proud.