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That pic was tongue in cheek...

But the rest of my speculation is serious. And Hawke would have been given three choices, either side with Meredith and Orsino, or side with angry Templars led by Cullen, or with angry mages led by someone more reasonable than Grace.


Or perhaps an army marching upon the mages. Hell, it could be extended to the 10 year mark and have it be the Exalted March the Divine was considering.
Cullen in the space of 3 years becomes increasingly anxious about Meredith's insistence on keeping the mages free from a revenge attack at the expense of the entire city and he eventually turns against her.


Actually you have a prince of a city state making his own Exalted March on another city state over the bombing of the chantry.  The poor Divine is going to have a headache.

That isn't an Exalted March, thats called declaring war

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I'm sure he'd phrase it in Exalted march rhetoric nonetheless.

Assuming that Starkhaven's nobility don't say "no."

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thurmanator692 wrote...

sphinxess wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

That pic was tongue in cheek...

But the rest of my speculation is serious. And Hawke would have been given three choices, either side with Meredith and Orsino, or side with angry Templars led by Cullen, or with angry mages led by someone more reasonable than Grace.


Or perhaps an army marching upon the mages. Hell, it could be extended to the 10 year mark and have it be the Exalted March the Divine was considering.
Cullen in the space of 3 years becomes increasingly anxious about Meredith's insistence on keeping the mages free from a revenge attack at the expense of the entire city and he eventually turns against her.


Actually you have a prince of a city state making his own Exalted March on another city state over the bombing of the chantry.  The poor Divine is going to have a headache.

That isn't an Exalted March, thats called declaring war


Yeah only the Divine can declare an Exalted March which can involve the forces of multiple nations. More or less like a Crusade.

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I'm sure he'd phrase it in Exalted march rhetoric nonetheless.

Assuming that Starkhaven's nobility don't say "no."


Starkhaven Chantry board notice:

"Wanted: All able bodied men and women to join my Super Ultra Holy Divine March against the heretics of Kirkwall!"

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How many of these different city-states are there, exactly? Not that I think Sebastian has the ambition for going after it himself, but I'm sure he wouldn't say no to help from some other city-states who might want to join in on the action for varying reasons.

Then it'd pretty much be an Exalted March.

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It might be good, but I think it'd be a greater reflection of her character if this was Meredith's decision alone.
This is her duty, this is her city and these are her mages. She must protect them from themselves, and from anyone else, the Maker wills it and nobody's going to tell her otherwise.
Hawke's input is in helping Meredith to salvage the situation, helping Cullen, making it worse with the extremists or even siding with the Divine's forces.

As it is, Meredith believes that killing the Mages in the circle is actually helping them - in the sense that by killing them, she removes their possibility of being possessed by demons (frankly, every one of them who was given the chance had already embraced the demons). Meredith's logic is bullet-proof from her point of view until she decided to kill the Champion - even Cullen and all the other Templars (perhaps including Carver) would have followed Meredith if she were to simply arrest the Champion.

If Hawke or any external input is precluded, then we need some sort of flashback on Meredith's part. Most likely a sequence about her sister, with possibly a monologue like her final "what if this is all madness" monologue. Only instead, have her question herself "Is killing the mages really the best way to help them? Is this the best way to protect Kirkwall?"

As for Anders, I've always wondered why Meredith didn't pull out that Lyrium Sword to slice him in half. My Hawke would have gladly given her the permission. Perhaps she was secretly grateful to Anders for providing an excuse for invoking the Rite of Annulment? In that case she is ultimately a bloodthirsty Mage-hater after all.

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The Angry One wrote...

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I'm sure he'd phrase it in Exalted march rhetoric nonetheless.

Assuming that Starkhaven's nobility don't say "no."


Starkhaven Chantry board notice:

"Wanted: All able bodied men and women to join my Super Ultra Holy Divine March against the heretics of Kirkwall!"


With an arrow on it.

Speaking of which. Was Sebastian so positively sure that he wouldn't have hit Elthina with his arrow when he was aiming for the piece of paper? Gee, how concerned he is for her safety <_<

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Kirkwall is a very strategic city, it wouldn't take much for him to be able to organize the Free Marches to take it over for personal gain. It just wouldn't technically be an Exalted March, barring Sebastian being a little ****** and just calling it so for the lols anyway

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But the dramatic effect..... was worth the heavy risk.

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iOnlySignIn wrote...

As it is, Meredith believes that killing the Mages in the circle is actually helping them - in the sense that by killing them, she removes their possibility of being possessed by demons (frankly, every one of them who was given the chance had already embraced the demons). Meredith's logic is bullet-proof from her point of view until she decided to kill the Champion - even Cullen and all the other Templars (perhaps including Carver) would have followed Meredith if she were to simply arrest the Champion.

If Hawke or any external input is precluded, then we need some sort of flashback on Meredith's part. Most likely a sequence about her sister, with possibly a monologue like her final "what if this is all madness" monologue. Only instead, have her question herself "Is killing the mages really the best way to help them? Is this the best way to protect Kirkwall?"


While killing some mages to prevent possession may be viewed as necesarry by her, outright slaughtering all of them for a crime they didn't commit is too much.
Remember in this scenario she still isn't "nice" to the mages, but believes in her duty to protect them no matter what.

That said more characterisation is always good, and having her question herself in the situation is too.

As for Anders, I've always wondered why Meredith didn't pull out that Lyrium Sword to slice him in half. My Hawke would have gladly given her the permission. Perhaps she was secretly grateful to Anders for providing an excuse for invoking the Rite of Annulment? In that case she is ultimately a bloodthirsty Mage-hater after all.


She was too busy shaking in glee at the prospect of having an excuse to go kill-crazy.
But lets leave crazy Meredith out of this topic. :bandit:

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But the dramatic effect..... was worth the heavy risk.

Does that make it a priiiiiiize?

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thurmanator692 wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

But the dramatic effect..... was worth the heavy risk.

Does that make it a priiiiiiize?


*stab*

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thurmanator692 wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

But the dramatic effect..... was worth the heavy risk.

Does that make it a priiiiiiize?


and what a priiiize she is

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thurmanator692 wrote...

Kirkwall is a very strategic city, it wouldn't take much for him to be able to organize the Free Marches to take it over for personal gain. It just wouldn't technically be an Exalted March, barring Sebastian being a little ****** and just calling it so for the lols anyway


Yes!  It would be like...the Trojan War, which wasn't really fought over Helen.  She was just an excuse.  The other people joined in because Troy is a strategic trading spot and rich as sin.  I'm pretty sure they couldn't care less about Menelaus' wife.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

thurmanator692 wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

But the dramatic effect..... was worth the heavy risk.

Does that make it a priiiiiiize?


and what a priiiize she is

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Why not, she has just as great a body as Hawke >_<

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Why not, she has just as great a body as Hawke >_<


And the fact taht she is the Grand Cleric herself must make her irresistable.

Speaking of which, am I the only one who found Sister Petrice attractive? Yes, even with the glare.

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The Angry One wrote...

thurmanator692 wrote...

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But the dramatic effect..... was worth the heavy risk.

Does that make it a priiiiiiize?


*stab*

I deserved that.


Oh damnit, i didn't mean to derail the entire thread!!

Back to intelligent and interesting spculation please!

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

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Why not, she has just as great a body as Hawke >_<


And the fact taht she is the Grand Cleric herself must make her irresistable.

Speaking of which, am I the only one who found Sister Petrice attractive? Yes, even with the glare.


Woman in a position of power (okay debatable).  Corrupting the ostensibly incorruptible?  What's not to like!

And Petrice is pretty.  People are distracted by their hatred for her, but physically she is attractive.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

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Why not, she has just as great a body as Hawke >_<


And the fact taht she is the Grand Cleric herself must make her irresistable.

Speaking of which, am I the only one who found Sister Petrice attractive? Yes, even with the glare.


I like the glare. But then I have a natural affinity for mean spirited, evil women.
This has no bearing on my personality though.

<_<

>_>

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The Angry One wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Camenae wrote...
Why not, she has just as great a body as Hawke >_<


And the fact taht she is the Grand Cleric herself must make her irresistable.

Speaking of which, am I the only one who found Sister Petrice attractive? Yes, even with the glare.


I like the glare. But then I have a natural affinity for mean spirited, evil women.
This has no bearing on my personality though.

<_<

>_>


You know she's already got something going on with that Ser Varnell character though.  Sorry.  : (

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She's alright. the whole 'kill the heathens' thing is kinda off putting

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Camenae wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Camenae wrote...
Why not, she has just as great a body as Hawke >_<


And the fact taht she is the Grand Cleric herself must make her irresistable.

Speaking of which, am I the only one who found Sister Petrice attractive? Yes, even with the glare.


I like the glare. But then I have a natural affinity for mean spirited, evil women.
This has no bearing on my personality though.

<_<

>_>


You know she's already got something going on with that Ser Varnell character though.  Sorry.  : (

Pfft. Killed him already

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Camenae wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Camenae wrote...
Why not, she has just as great a body as Hawke >_<


And the fact taht she is the Grand Cleric herself must make her irresistable.

Speaking of which, am I the only one who found Sister Petrice attractive? Yes, even with the glare.


I like the glare. But then I have a natural affinity for mean spirited, evil women.
This has no bearing on my personality though.

<_<

>_>


You know she's already got something going on with that Ser Varnell character though.  Sorry.  : (


No I mean, she's very much like me.

I would say if she was like me.
Which she isn't.
And I'll organise a conspiracy to ruin you if you claim otherwise.

But yes she is hot too.

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The Angry One wrote...
I like the glare. But then I have a natural affinity for mean spirited, evil women.
This has no bearing on my personality though.

<_<

>_>


Certainly not on your username either.

There should be a Petrice thread, I found her an interesting character. I can certainly play devil's advocate (I can do that with both the Arishok and Petrice cause I am that awesome).

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Duh. Meredith and Elthina are both hotter than Petrice.

What puts me off about Petrice is not that she's mean or evil. It's that she's as dumb as a cow. I'd LMAO if any of her schemes actually worked.