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[Ulathar]

I'm with Dave on the Cerberus thing. Why would TIM and Cerberus try to kill Shepard, when he (in my case) did quite few pro-Cerberus things and kept the base and all that. At this point....that makes no sense to me.

[Bluko]

No pessimism! You have failed me...

Although I'm still going to hold onto the belief most of the ME2 crew will not return.

Oh well I suppose they knew a whole new crew would lead to the reckoning. I guess I can't be surprised if they drag a few squadmates back from the "you could die bye bye zone". I'm guessing Tali will be brought back as well. Though it would be funny if they didn't, the Talimancers reactions would be... amusing.

Anyways I got my Garrus now! So I just need my Wrex and all will be well. Not even the Reapers could handle the badassness that is Shepard, Garrus, and Wrex!

I'm surprised Liara is returning, since you'd think being the Shadowbroker is kind of a job you can't just leave. Of course Ashley/Kaidan are returning.

However I totally called the Cerberus hunting Shepard down thing. No Shepard likes Cerberus (why would they?) both Paragon and Renegade endings essentially tell T.I.M. to *insert expletive* and you're basically running around with their ship (which is worth more then Shepard in a monetary sense). So yeah go figure T.I.M. isn't going to tolerate your shenanigans anymore since he got what he wanted (The Collector Base) or didn't in which case he's really not happy. I thought it was pretty obvious T.I.M. was going to end up a bad guy of some sort in ME3.

[Zeratul20]

Happy dance!

[Seboist]

Bluko wrote...

No pessimism! You have failed me...

Although I'm still going to hold onto the belief most of the ME2 crew will not return.

Oh well I suppose they knew a whole new crew would lead to the reckoning. I guess I can't be surprised if they drag a few squadmates back from the "you could die bye bye zone". I'm guessing Tali will be brought back as well. Though it would be funny if they didn't, the Talimancers reactions would be... amusing.

Anyways I got my Garrus now! So I just need my Wrex and all will be well. Not even the Reapers could handle the badassness that is Shepard, Garrus, and Wrex!

I'm surprised Liara is returning, since you'd think being the Shadowbroker is kind of a job you can't just leave. Of course Ashley/Kaidan are returning.

However I totally called the Cerberus hunting Shepard down thing. No Shepard likes Cerberus (why would they?) both Paragon and Renegade endings essentially tell T.I.M. to *insert expletive* and you're basically running around with their ship (which is worth more then Shepard in a monetary sense). So yeah go figure T.I.M. isn't going to tolerate your shenanigans anymore since he got what he wanted (The Collector Base) or didn't in which case he's really not happy. I thought it was pretty obvious T.I.M. was going to end up a bad guy of some sort in ME3.

Both endings implied some sort of continued cooperation with TIM/Cerberus:

Paragon: "From now on we do things my way, either get in line or step aside"

Renegade: "You brought me back to lead this war and that's what I'm gonna do, if you can keep up great, if not I'll stop the Reapers without you"

TIM implies he still wants to work with Shep even if the Collector Base is destroyed "Don't turn your back on me!!!".

[The BS Police]

Seboist wrote...

Both endings implied some sort of continued cooperation with TIM/Cerberus:

What game have you played?
Paragon Ending: The Illusive Man is pissed off! Chances are he will want his ship back and Shepard dead!

Renagade Ending: The Illusive Man is on a power trip, in his mind he doesn't need Shepard, he only needs the collector base, therefore Shepard is a possible loose end that he may need to take care of since Shepard could easily go back through the Omega 4 Relay and finish the job!

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Rojahar wrote...

I got the feeling ME2 ended on a note that left it open for both paragon and renegade Shepard to work WITH Cerberus, just not FOR Cerberus. Basically, that Shep would be in charge, not TIM. Cerberus wanting to kill you, against all logic, reason, and their own purpose, seems like a silly forum-fanservice move.

Indeed. I pray to god that Cerberus is not handed the idiot ball in ME3 and wants to kill Shepard for no good reason, just so Bioware can appeal to all the "I h8 Cerbus herp derp" people.

[Bluko]

Seboist wrote...

Both endings implied some sort of continued cooperation with TIM/Cerberus:

Paragon: "From now on we do things my way, either get in line or step aside"

Renegade: "You brought me back to lead this war and that's what I'm gonna do, if you can keep up great, if not I'll stop the Reapers without you"

TIM implies he still wants to work with Shep even if the Collector Base is destroyed "Don't turn your back on me!!!".

Sort of. But I mean come on this is T.I.M. he didn't bring Shepard back just to lose control of them. He's not the type to support mere cooperation. If he did  wouldn't he work with alien species more often? That's the problem T.I.M. is a control freak. If Shepard isn't going to serve him anymore, then what use are they to him? If anything Shepard's too much of liability.

Thing is I'm pretty sure T.I.M. thinks he can beat the Reapers without Shepard's help. I've seen the ending where Shepard dies and the base remains, for the most part T.I.M. seems pretty pleased. I dunno I get the feeling T.I.M. really only cared about getting the Collector base. Shepard was just a tool to be used. I think T.I.M.'s acknowledgement that Shepard is a "symbol of humanity" was just to convince Miranda how important the project was.


Also upon reading the scan a little more closely...

Over two games, Shepard has racked a up a lot of friends and enemies. Though all main characters will likely return in Mass Effect 3 (if they survived this long) *can't read* who is confirmed to make appearences.

Characters that BioWare says will be playable to some extent:

Liara
Garrus
Ashley/Kaidan
James Sanders

I'd just like to make a point this may not mean they are permanent squad members. I had hypothesized that Bioware would make a number of ME2 squad members playable for select missions only in ME3. I think this may yet be the case.

[Icinix]

Bluko wrote...
I'd just like to make a point this may not mean they are permanent squad members. I had hypothesized that Bioware would make a number of ME2 squad members playable for select missions only in ME3. I think this may yet be the case.

When I read that I had Jokers cameo come to mind..and also the fact there was a lot of people asking to take control of the fire teams at the conclusion of ME2.

I wonder if they'll play along those sort of lines rather than as temporary squad mates.

[Icinix]

Rojahar wrote...

I got the feeling ME2 ended on a note that left it open for both paragon and renegade Shepard to work WITH Cerberus, just not FOR Cerberus. Basically, that Shep would be in charge, not TIM. Cerberus wanting to kill you, against all logic, reason, and their own purpose, seems like a silly forum-fanservice move.

Also easier for gameplay purposes.  Would have been insanely difficult if you could go through ME3 with either Alliance, Cerberus or your own side.  Although thats the way games should be DAMMIT! 

I can understand them forcing a gameplay narrative - all players end up back with the Alliance or whatever...but this was offset by the multiple endings name drop.  Which I think is a fair trade off.

[hawat333]

I can't wait to see the musical version of Shakespeare's Hamlet, the title role performed by Mordin Solus
"Question: existence?"

[Seboist]

The BS Police wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Both endings implied some sort of continued cooperation with TIM/Cerberus:

What game have you played?
Paragon Ending: The Illusive Man is pissed off! Chances are he will want his ship back and Shepard dead!

Renagade Ending: The Illusive Man is on a power trip, in his mind he doesn't need Shepard, he only needs the collector base, therefore Shepard is a possible loose end that he may need to take care of since Shepard could easily go back through the Omega 4 Relay and finish the job!

Considering The Illusive Man appears to shed tears in the endings where Shepard dies (regardless of what happens to CB) I have a hard time picturing him out get Shepard during a Reaper invasion of all things.

It was quite to me clear he has an admiration for Shepard and has allowed him free reign over a lot of things he even said he would have done diferently personally(ie Letting Grunt out of the tank and activating Legion).

Like I've said in another thread there better be a good explanation for fighting Cerberus and not just Renegades/Pro-Cerberus players getting screwed over again.

Modifié par Seboist, 08 avril 2011 - 09:45 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

hawat333 wrote...

I can't wait to see the musical version of Shakespeare's Hamlet, the title role performed by Mordin Solus
"Question: existence?"

I want to see Mordin Solus in Hamlet 2.

[Ultai]

I'm very disappointed about the information with Cerberus. I like morally gray situations (Mordin loyalty mission, Collector Base etc), especially since I mainly play as a Paragade. Ah well, one should expect the renegade side of things to get screwed over, par for the course. Might be too early to say that so I'll definitely be keeping an eye on information regarding this, hopefully while avoiding as many spoilers as possible.

[Manic Sheep]

Seboist wrote...

The BS Police wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Both endings implied some sort of continued cooperation with TIM/Cerberus:

What game have you played?
Paragon Ending: The Illusive Man is pissed off! Chances are he will want his ship back and Shepard dead!

Renagade Ending: The Illusive Man is on a power trip, in his mind he doesn't need Shepard, he only needs the collector base, therefore Shepard is a possible loose end that he may need to take care of since Shepard could easily go back through the Omega 4 Relay and finish the job!

Considering The Illusive Man appears to shed tears in the endings where Shepard dies (regardless of what happens to CB) I have a hard time picturing him out get Shepard during a Reaper invasion of all things.

It was quite to me clear he has an admiration for Shepard and has allowed him free reign over a lot of things he even said he would have done diferently personally(ie Letting Grunt out of the tank and activating Legion).

Like I've said in another thread there better be a good explanation for fighting Cerberus and not just Renegades/Pro-Cerberus players getting screwed over again.

What? No he doesn’t. He isn't happy about it but he isn't crying. It would be weird if he was. TIM is not your friend,

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 08 avril 2011 - 09:52 .

[KawaiiKatie]

James Sanders: Who is he, and can I romance him with my male Shepard?

(Clearly, I have some very important priorities.)

[GodWood]

Rojahar wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...
Ugh, the Cerberus thing is really frustrating me. I'd think the writers themselves would be past the general idealism the forums portray in arguments and would actually step up to the plate and keep Cerberus in the gray area (sort of like they did in ME2).

Now we're suddenly forced to believe that The Illusive Man and Cerberus want to kill the (wo)man they know can save the galaxy, the (wo)man who can probably assist them in gaining technology, the (wo)man who could support almost everything they do and the (wo)man who TIM himself considers working with again in the novel regardless of Collector Base because he recognizes the threat of the Reapers?

If this happens regardless of ME2 events and choices, I'll rip out my hair. Renegades are never patted on the back, Paragons are celebrated and now we're getting slapped in the face some more if this is for everybody.

This. Seriously. I hope Bioware doesn't pander to the simple crowd.

This times a squillion.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TIM's reason for trying to kill Shepard = To prove that paragon Shepard was and always will be right.

[Pwener2313]

DAMMIT NO MP!!!!!

[RiouHotaru]

I'm sorry, but after Renegades made thread after thread about how darn important it was to keep the CB and how Paragons were pants-on-head retarded for blowing it up, the fact TIM now wants you dead is delicious vindication, and I'm normally not vindictive.

So yeah, I'm actually quite happy that even Renegades will have TIM wanting to smoke them.

"Keep the base," They said.
"It's logistical suicide to blow it up. Be pragmatic." They said.

Welp LOOK WHERE IT GETS YOU NOW

[Seboist]

Manic Sheep wrote...

Seboist wrote...

The BS Police wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Both endings implied some sort of continued cooperation with TIM/Cerberus:

What game have you played?
Paragon Ending: The Illusive Man is pissed off! Chances are he will want his ship back and Shepard dead!

Renagade Ending: The Illusive Man is on a power trip, in his mind he doesn't need Shepard, he only needs the collector base, therefore Shepard is a possible loose end that he may need to take care of since Shepard could easily go back through the Omega 4 Relay and finish the job!

Considering The Illusive Man appears to shed tears in the endings where Shepard dies (regardless of what happens to CB) I have a hard time picturing him out get Shepard during a Reaper invasion of all things.

It was quite to me clear he has an admiration for Shepard and has allowed him free reign over a lot of things he even said he would have done diferently personally(ie Letting Grunt out of the tank and activating Legion).

Like I've said in another thread there better be a good explanation for fighting Cerberus and not just Renegades/Pro-Cerberus players getting screwed over again.

What? No he doesn’t. He isn't happy about it but he isn't crying. It would be weird if he was. TIM is not your friend,

Watch 9:16-9:20 ---> 

And in contrast to the feces eating grin he gets when CB is saved/Shepard lives he has a saddened smile when the hologram appears.

[Pwener2313]

RiouHotaru wrote...

I'm sorry, but after Renegades made thread after thread about how darn important it was to keep the CB and how Paragons were pants-on-head retarded for blowing it up, the fact TIM now wants you dead is delicious vindication, and I'm normally not vindictive.

So yeah, I'm actually quite happy that even Renegades will have TIM wanting to smoke them.

"Keep the base," They said.
"It's logistical suicide to blow it up. Be pragmatic." They said.

Welp LOOK WHERE IT GETS YOU NOW

Hey look, jumping to conclusions when virtually nothing is know. You are great. For all we know, cerberus got jacked  and TIM is no longer in control.

[JediHealerCosmin]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

James Sanders: Who is he, and can I romance him with my male Shepard?

(Clearly, I have some very important priorities.)

No idea, maybe a a relative of Kahlee Sanders. We'll see.

[RiouHotaru]

Pwener2313 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

I'm sorry, but after Renegades made thread after thread about how darn important it was to keep the CB and how Paragons were pants-on-head retarded for blowing it up, the fact TIM now wants you dead is delicious vindication, and I'm normally not vindictive.

So yeah, I'm actually quite happy that even Renegades will have TIM wanting to smoke them.

"Keep the base," They said.
"It's logistical suicide to blow it up. Be pragmatic." They said.

Welp LOOK WHERE IT GETS YOU NOW

Hey look, jumping to conclusions when virtually nothing is know. You are great. For all we know, cerberus got jacked  and TIM is no longer in control.

Which doesn't help the Renegade's case either.  Because if TIM was so incompetant as to allow Cerberus to get jacked, then it's a darn good thing we Paragons didn't give him the base.  I'm sorry, even if TIM supposedly has a good reason for wanting you dead (or his Reaper Tech eyes have finally gotten him indoctrinated), there's no getting around the fact that yeah, not trusting the guy wasn't a bad move.

[Pwener2313]

We don't know a thing, debating and fighting over it isn't going to help. Let's stay quiet until we get more info.