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[Cerbrus operative]

at first I agreed to let the Arishok leave and take Isabella with him, and I have never seen her or even heard of her in the rest of the game, My question is if refuse to give Isabella to the Arishok and kill him can I get her back as team member? or can I at least see her any time later in the game?

[TobiTobsen]

If you duell or kill the Arishok she stays in your team for the rest of the game.

[Maria Caliban]

Cerbrus operative wrote...

at first I agreed to let the Arishok leave and take Isabella with him, and I have never seen her or even heard of her in the rest of the game....

Are you surprised? Women like Isabela have no loyalty.

[TheBlackBaron]

Cerbrus operative wrote...

at first I agreed to let the Arishok leave and take Isabella with him, and I have never seen her or even heard of her in the rest of the game, My question is if refuse to give Isabella to the Arishok and kill him can I get her back as team member? or can I at least see her any time later in the game?

Yeah, if she comes back at the end of Act II (there is the possibility that she'll run off for good if you haven't got her Friendship/Rivalry high enough) and you don't let the Arishok take her, then she'll remain a party member for Act III. 

[Torax]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Cerbrus operative wrote...

at first I agreed to let the Arishok leave and take Isabella with him, and I have never seen her or even heard of her in the rest of the game....

Are you surprised? Women like Isabela have no loyalty.

She likes big boats. She cannot lie.

[Plaintiff]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Cerbrus operative wrote...

at first I agreed to let the Arishok leave and take Isabella with him, and I have never seen her or even heard of her in the rest of the game....

Are you surprised? Women like Isabela have no loyalty.

You realize you just quoted the part where he sold her out to the Qunari? Loyalty isn't the issue, she might be dead, or stripped of her free will.

OP, what were you expecting? You totally screwed her over. If you want Isabela to stick around you have to refuse to hand her over. You can then duel the Arishok yourself or refuse and fight him and the reat of the Qunari with the help of your party.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 08 avril 2011 - 10:51 .

[Maria Caliban]

Plaintiff wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Cerbrus operative wrote...

at first I agreed to let the Arishok leave and take Isabella with him, and I have never seen her or even heard of her in the rest of the game....

Are you surprised? Women like Isabela have no loyalty.

You realize you just quoted the part where he sold her out to the Qunari? Loyalty isn't the issue, she might be dead, or stripped of her free will.

She escapes the Qunari with the relic.

Please don't try to defend her because you're doing a poor job of it.

[rma2110]

I never had the heart to give Isabella to the Arishok. Do we ever find out what happens to her or is she just gone?

[Icy Magebane]

Varric says he heard she escaped with the relic 3 days later but the team never hears from her again.

[rma2110]

Icy Magebane wrote...

Varric says he heard she escaped with the relic 3 days later but the team never hears from her again.

Thank you. Go Isabella! I wouldn't have returned either. 

[Cutlass Jack]

rma2110 wrote...

Thank you. Go Isabella! I wouldn't have returned either. 

Yup this. Returning the first time didn't work out so well for her.

[ThePasserby]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Cerbrus operative wrote...

at first I agreed to let the Arishok leave and take Isabella with him, and I have never seen her or even heard of her in the rest of the game....

Are you surprised? Women like Isabela have no loyalty.

Surely you know that isn't true? If you earned her loyalty, she comes back for you.

[Cutlass Jack]

Its like that old famous saying:

"If you love someone, set them free. If they return, give them to angry Oxmen. If they return a second time...they're idiots."

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 08 avril 2011 - 02:22 .

[Andronic0s]

I was angry that she betrayed me the first time, causing the death of hundreds, returning once is no longer important does not changes anything, but still I defended her, then in Act III she has a banter with Anders where he recriminates her that she is responsible for all of those deaths, and she does not express any type of remorse, I REALLY wish I could kill her, handing her over to the Qunari is no punishment as she escapes only 3 days later as has being pointed out.

Modifié par Andronic0s, 08 avril 2011 - 04:14 .

[hoorayforicecream]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Cerbrus operative wrote...

at first I agreed to let the Arishok leave and take Isabella with him, and I have never seen her or even heard of her in the rest of the game....

Are you surprised? Women like Isabela have no loyalty.

Clearly, the solution to this problem is cupcakes.

[Plaintiff]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Cerbrus operative wrote...

at first I agreed to let the Arishok leave and take Isabella with him, and I have never seen her or even heard of her in the rest of the game....

Are you surprised? Women like Isabela have no loyalty.

You realize you just quoted the part where he sold her out to the Qunari? Loyalty isn't the issue, she might be dead, or stripped of her free will.

She escapes the Qunari with the relic.

Please don't try to defend her because you're doing a poor job of it.

No, Varric heard that she escaped. Newsflash: rumour is not fact. He clearly states that he never saw her again, so actually, nothing is known about her fate. At all.

And you can drop the condescending attitude because if you'd actually read what I wrote, I wasn't defending anybody, I was merely stating the truth. If you want to turn over the only party member that shows notable growth, in a futile attempt to appease an extremist group with long-term plans for military conquest, that's totally your choice.

What do you mean by "women like Isabela" anyway? You're making an extremely generalizing statement about an ill-defined sub-set of females. What is it about Isabela that suggests a predisposition to betrayal? Her clothing? Her casual attitude to sex?

Modifié par Plaintiff, 08 avril 2011 - 04:23 .

[hoorayforicecream]

Andronic0s wrote...

I was angry that she betrayed me the first time, causing the death of hundreds, returning once is no longer important does not changes anything, but still I defended her, then in Act III she has a banter with Anders where he recriminates her that she is responsible for all of those deaths, and she does not express any type of remorse, I REALLY wish I could kill her, handing her over to the Qunari is no punishment as she escapes only 3 days later as has being pointed out.

I realize Isabela racks up quite a body count by the end of the game what with her being a rather massive damage machine, but in the case of the Qunari attack... why would you say that it's Isabela's fault that the Qunari killed so many people, and not the Qunari's fault that the Qunari killed so many people? I mean.. honestly, it's not like Isabela ran around killing civilians. She didn't use blood magic to force the Qunari to attack. She may have been the reason the Qunari were there, but the Qunari are the reason the Qunari were killing people.

[Addai]

Andronic0s wrote...

I was angry that she betrayed me the first time, causing the death of hundreds, returning once is no longer important does not changes anything, but still I defended her, then in Act III she has a banter with Anders where he recriminates her that she is responsible for all of those deaths, and she does not express any type of remorse, I REALLY wish I could kill her, handing her over to the Qunari is no punishment as she escapes only 3 days later as has being pointed out.

I think she feels remorse, but like Zevran sees no point in flagellating herself over what is already done.  I do agree that she's too glib.  Still, in the end it was the Arishok's decision to attack the city for its "depravity" and no one else's.  Even when you tell him who has the relic and promise to help get it back, he goes ahead with his exalted march.

Modifié par Addai67, 08 avril 2011 - 04:30 .

[Maria Caliban]

ThePasserby wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Cerbrus operative wrote...

at first I agreed to let the Arishok leave and take Isabella with him, and I have never seen her or even heard of her in the rest of the game....

Are you surprised? Women like Isabela have no loyalty.

Surely you know that isn't true? If you earned her loyalty, she comes back for you.

Another Isabela apologist.

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Clearly, the solution to this problem is cupcakes.

Eating cupcakes is your solution to *everything.*

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 08 avril 2011 - 04:35 .

[Orion34]

The Arishok is very strong,honest and worthy of respect. I don't see the point in killing him to defend someone who is the exact opposite.

[hoorayforicecream]

Maria Caliban wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Clearly, the solution to this problem is cupcakes.

Eating cupcakes is your solution to *everything.*

It wouldn't be if they weren't so delicious. 

Besides, I also love ice cream. You should have been able to tell that from the name.

[ThePasserby]

Maria Caliban wrote...


Another Isabela apologist.

Sure, go ahead with the ad hominems. They do so much for your credibility, don't they?

[Plaintiff]

Orion34 wrote...

The Arishok is very strong,honest and worthy of respect. I don't see the point in killing him to defend someone who is the exact opposite.

Really? You don't see the point in killing the military leader of an extremist cult that not only strips individuals of their free wiil, but whose long term goal is to conquer and violently convert every civilization they encounter? Neither Sten nor the Arishok make even the slightest attempt to hide the fact that the Qunari plan to invade all of Thedas.

And the Arishok is a hypocrite. He demands that Isabela be made to submit to Qunari law but refused to hand over Kirkwall criminals when the same request was made of him. If murderous elves are free of Kirkwall justice because they submit to the law of the Qun, then the opposite should be said for Isabela, whose direct crime, theft, is much less severe.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 08 avril 2011 - 05:40 .