hawat333 wrote...
It was a bad idea in the first place.
Seboist wrote...
GuardianAngel470 wrote...
Pwener2313 wrote...
Sajuukcor76 wrote...
Collector Base leads to a good route for Indoctrination since none of the tech was destroyed. During the IFF the people there say that "A dead god still dreams", and since there is a Reaper, while dead, in the base it's an extreme risk to keep it. Hence it's a bad move.
Dead Reaper: Unfinished
Collector Base: Not really Reaper tech like Object Rho (not capable of indoctrination)
This is an assumption, I just thought I'd point this out. No one knows what was on that base but, based on EDI's reveal of its location and the conversation that followed, it is possible that the Reapers created it.
However, it is never stated anywhere whether the base does or does not contain devices that can cause indoctrination.
I doubt the base has any indoctrination devices. The Collectors were controlled via their cybernetic implants and other lifeforms were never intended to be "hanging out" in the base.
Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 08 avril 2011 - 11:48 .
CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
Seboist wrote...
GuardianAngel470 wrote...
Pwener2313 wrote...
Sajuukcor76 wrote...
Collector Base leads to a good route for Indoctrination since none of the tech was destroyed. During the IFF the people there say that "A dead god still dreams", and since there is a Reaper, while dead, in the base it's an extreme risk to keep it. Hence it's a bad move.
Dead Reaper: Unfinished
Collector Base: Not really Reaper tech like Object Rho (not capable of indoctrination)
This is an assumption, I just thought I'd point this out. No one knows what was on that base but, based on EDI's reveal of its location and the conversation that followed, it is possible that the Reapers created it.
However, it is never stated anywhere whether the base does or does not contain devices that can cause indoctrination.
I doubt the base has any indoctrination devices. The Collectors were controlled via their cybernetic implants and other lifeforms were never intended to be "hanging out" in the base.
This video of the MST3K/Rifftrax guys doing a song at w00stock represents my views on Reaper tech (and Reaper tech accessories) perfectly.
Big stupid jellyfish wrote...
We don't know much about ME3 and the plot yet, so stop panicking, you, base-savers.
Seboist wrote...
CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
Seboist wrote...
GuardianAngel470 wrote...
Pwener2313 wrote...
Sajuukcor76 wrote...
Collector Base leads to a good route for Indoctrination since none of the tech was destroyed. During the IFF the people there say that "A dead god still dreams", and since there is a Reaper, while dead, in the base it's an extreme risk to keep it. Hence it's a bad move.
Dead Reaper: Unfinished
Collector Base: Not really Reaper tech like Object Rho (not capable of indoctrination)
This is an assumption, I just thought I'd point this out. No one knows what was on that base but, based on EDI's reveal of its location and the conversation that followed, it is possible that the Reapers created it.
However, it is never stated anywhere whether the base does or does not contain devices that can cause indoctrination.
I doubt the base has any indoctrination devices. The Collectors were controlled via their cybernetic implants and other lifeforms were never intended to be "hanging out" in the base.
This video of the MST3K/Rifftrax guys doing a song at w00stock represents my views on Reaper tech (and Reaper tech accessories) perfectly.
Thanix Cannon,Collector Particle Beam, EDI,Citadel and Mass Relays must be "indoctrinating devices" too.
Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 08 avril 2011 - 11:59 .
Pwener2313 wrote...
hawat333 wrote...
It was a bad idea in the first place.
Depends in your ultimate goal. I want humans to be on top. Paragons, the naive bunch they are, hope to make friendly with all aliens. The latter seems like the smart move to me, it's what the Turians would have done as well.
Modifié par MisterJB, 08 avril 2011 - 12:03 .
BlackEssence wrote...
My question is, what is so bad about being holier than thou? Why is being holier than thou made out to be a bad way to be? Heck, I am holier than thou and I still have a sharp edge is being a total BAD**** when I need to be. I don't recall being that COMPLETELY holier than thou even though I, myself, have played as a paragon. You all have to keep in mind that a person has personal preferences that come into play when playing games as complex as ME. We tend to formulate opinions and try to pass them off as facts when we clearly didn't develop the game. We are just basing it off the information that was given to us which could have very well been designed to make us think one way when later we will be doing the exact opposite of what we expected.
MisterJB wrote...
Pwener2313 wrote...
hawat333 wrote...
It was a bad idea in the first place.
Depends in your ultimate goal. I want humans to be on top. Paragons, the naive bunch they are, hope to make friendly with all aliens. The latter seems like the smart move to me, it's what the Turians would have done as well.
So, instead of attempting to earn the trust and regard of other races, it 's smarter to put them on a position that will eventually lead them to rebel? No empire lasts forever.
I will refer to Grunt's recruitment and say that my Paragon Shepard's mentality is "Offer one hand but arm the other" not "Let's all be friends".
But the Reaper tec is simply too dangerous, anyone who tries to play with it, ends up burned. I don't trust Cerberus with it, I don't trust the Alliance with it and I don't even trust myself with it.
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GuardianAngel470 wrote...
Seriously, who of you renegades actually trusted TIM after that stunt he pulled on the Collector Vessel?
Saphra Deden wrote...
GuardianAngel470 wrote...
Seriously, who of you renegades actually trusted TIM after that stunt he pulled on the Collector Vessel?
I've never trusted him on a personal level. I trust TIM purely in the sense that his actions will always be aimed at doing what he think is best for humanity.
I'm not jumping to any conclusions yet about ME3. I'll wait until it is out and we have some actual context. Bioware marketing is very deceptive at times. A lot of scenes showed in the hype for ME1 and ME2 never happend in game. I would hope that the Cerberus thing is dependent on your choices in ME2. Though to be frank, Cerberus going after even a hardcore Paragon Shepard would still strike me as out of character.
And that means?Pwener2313 wrote...
Awwww, come on!
And what if he decides that what's best for humanity is to create our own Reapers to secure human dominancy in the Galaxy against the Reapers and beyond? You don't think he will sacrifice millions of innocent human to achieve this goal?Saphra Deden wrote...
GuardianAngel470 wrote...
Seriously, who of you renegades actually trusted TIM after that stunt he pulled on the Collector Vessel?
I've never trusted him on a personal level. I trust TIM purely in the sense that his actions will always be aimed at doing what he think is best for humanity.
Anacronian Stryx wrote...
I think Cerberus will be after Shep no matter what.
Keep the base = Indoctrinated Cerberus.
Blow up the base = Shep destroyed the best hope for humanity(in TIM views) plus he/she knows to much about Cerberus to be kept alive.
Golden Owl wrote...
BlackEssence wrote...
My question is, what is so bad about being holier than thou? Why is being holier than thou made out to be a bad way to be? Heck, I am holier than thou and I still have a sharp edge is being a total BAD**** when I need to be. I don't recall being that COMPLETELY holier than thou even though I, myself, have played as a paragon. You all have to keep in mind that a person has personal preferences that come into play when playing games as complex as ME. We tend to formulate opinions and try to pass them off as facts when we clearly didn't develop the game. We are just basing it off the information that was given to us which could have very well been designed to make us think one way when later we will be doing the exact opposite of what we expected.
Black Essence, as staunch paragon player myself and as a reflection of my personal views in the real world, I find the Holier-than-Thou comments aimed at paragon players quite insulting really....I certainly don't see myself as Holier-than-Thou ,that I give a real damn about how others feel and how my words and actions reflect on others (won't go into the choices we make about how we choose our own reactions, etc...this is not a philosophy forum)...doesn't give special credit or some ridiculous heightened position, etc...We all just trundle along with our own perceptions, doing the best that each of us can...though that said, what I would really like to see is a bit of respect for each individuals perception....if that happens then we would see some very intriguing and intersting dialogue form.
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MisterJB wrote...
And what if he decides that what's best for humanity is to create our own Reapers to secure human dominancy in the Galaxy against the Reapers and beyond? You don't think he will sacrifice millions of innocent human to achieve this goal?
Kagura_Hakubi wrote...
Assume. Lets break it down. Ass. U. Me.
Assume makes an ass of you and me.
There's no way the base won't have indoctrinators aboard.
Sovereign was never designed to be piloted by little aliens, either, and he was full of Indoctrination.
Besides... Cerberus? Good guys? Taking over?
I'm all for using resources where they're available, but Cerberus are still the guys who ran the experiments on Jack, no matter what Miss PR Lawson says. They still throw Alliance marines at random alien fauna, then kidnap the survivors for experiments. They still create Creepers and Rachni and god-damn Husks and other gribbly monsters to unleash upon unsuspecting aliens and any humans who don't agree with them. You thought the cosmetics companies were bad for testing on pigs? They've got nothing on Cerberus.
Keeping the base was a bad idea from any angle. This;Anacronian Stryx wrote...
I think Cerberus will be after Shep no matter what.
Keep the base = Indoctrinated Cerberus.
Blow up the base = Shep destroyed the best hope for humanity(in TIM views) plus he/she knows to much about Cerberus to be kept alive.
pretty much sums it up. If you keep the base, either Cerberus switch to Team Harbinger, or Cerberus (the EVIL MAFIA) take over everything.
Guest_Saphra Deden_*
Seboist wrote...
Indeed, which is evidenced by TIM mourning Shepard's death no matter what choice he made with the CB.
Guest_Imperium Alpha_*
Big stupid jellyfish wrote...
We don't know much about ME3 and the plot yet, so stop panicking, you, base-savers.
Saphra Deden wrote...
Seboist wrote...
Indeed, which is evidenced by TIM mourning Shepard's death no matter what choice he made with the CB.
I don't know if you are being sarcastic or not because I never saw the "bad" ending to the game. However I just find it silly because TIM made it clear in-game and in the last novel that no matter whether Shepard ideologically opposes him or not he still recognizes the Commander as a valuable asset to all human kind. An asset isn't much use if it is dead.
Guest_Imperium Alpha_*
Seboist wrote...
Saphra Deden wrote...
Seboist wrote...
Indeed, which is evidenced by TIM mourning Shepard's death no matter what choice he made with the CB.
I don't know if you are being sarcastic or not because I never saw the "bad" ending to the game. However I just find it silly because TIM made it clear in-game and in the last novel that no matter whether Shepard ideologically opposes him or not he still recognizes the Commander as a valuable asset to all human kind. An asset isn't much use if it is dead.
I'm dead serious about TIM mourning Shep.
Check it out:
During 9:16-9:20 it even appears he's wiping tears and then displays a saddened smile when it shows the Collector Base hologram.
Seboist wrote...
The experiments on Jack led her to be a powerful biotic in the fight against the Collectors and Reapers. That's WINNING.
Kagura_Hakubi wrote...
Seboist wrote...
The experiments on Jack led her to be a powerful biotic in the fight against the Collectors and Reapers. That's WINNING.
That's... great.
You lead to the deaths of fifty or so potentially powerful human biotics (who are a rare resource as it is) to create...
One super-biotic who is almost as powerful as an Asari matriarch.
Wonderful. Brilliant!
Personally, I'd rather have the fifty or so moderately poweful human biotics who could be trained to work together, since mass manipulation is exponential, not linear. If I really needed a single biotic to do all the heavy lifting, I'd just get a damn Asari. No torture. No death. No "moral ambiguity".
Just a victory.
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