xSTONEYx187x wrote...
After reading a few excerpts from GI, I guess keeping the base is confirmed as the a idea (No love for the renegades). Not going to post why, but if you read it you'll understand.
Still hella excited about ME 3.
Clovis Haven wrote...
xSTONEYx187x wrote...
After reading a few excerpts from GI, I guess keeping the base is confirmed as the a idea (No love for the renegades). Not going to post why, but if you read it you'll understand.
Still hella excited about ME 3.
How did you read it already?
*considers Grunt - and Shepard's augmented strength lifting a steel beam off Miranda at the Collector base*V-rex wrote...
Besides, I trust Cerberus about as far as I can throw Grunt.
Ieldra2 wrote...
*considers Grunt - and Shepard's augmented strength lifting a steel beam off Miranda at the Collector base*V-rex wrote...
Besides, I trust Cerberus about as far as I can throw Grunt.
Hmm.
As for the topic, I'm approaching this from a roleplaying viewpoint. WIth no metagaming and the knowledge we have at the end of the game, it definitely appears more desirable to keep the base. I stand by the decisions I made in ME2.
Apart from that, it is far from clear that this decision won't give us more opportunites in the end. It might be a little harder to get at TIM, but that doesn't matter if what we're getting out the base after TIM is done with still helps us against the Reapers. Had TIM turned out indoctrinated with the base while staying sane without it, that would have been a big consequence. But TIM is hostile anyway. So what?
At the time when I make that decision, I do not know that TIM will be hostile. And hostile or not, I still think that the information the base represents must not be destroyed. Even at the price of placing TIM in a position of power. That's what I've always said, and that's what I keep saying.Almostfaceman wrote...
So, you do realize that you are not keeping the base right? TiM is keeping the base. You just said it yourself - TiM is hostile.Ieldra2 wrote...
*considers Grunt - and Shepard's augmented strength lifting a steel beam off Miranda at the Collector base*V-rex wrote...
Besides, I trust Cerberus about as far as I can throw Grunt.
Hmm.
As for the topic, I'm approaching this from a roleplaying viewpoint. WIth no metagaming and the knowledge we have at the end of the game, it definitely appears more desirable to keep the base. I stand by the decisions I made in ME2.
Apart from that, it is far from clear that this decision won't give us more opportunites in the end. It might be a little harder to get at TIM, but that doesn't matter if what we're getting out the base after TIM is done with still helps us against the Reapers. Had TIM turned out indoctrinated with the base while staying sane without it, that would have been a big consequence. But TIM is hostile anyway. So what?
I'm not seeing the sense in giving the base to TiM, no offense.
Ieldra2 wrote...
*considers Grunt - and Shepard's augmented strength lifting a steel beam off Miranda at the Collector base*V-rex wrote...
Besides, I trust Cerberus about as far as I can throw Grunt.
Hmm.
As for the topic, I'm approaching this from a roleplaying viewpoint. WIth no metagaming and the knowledge we have at the end of the game, it definitely appears more desirable to keep the base. I stand by the decisions I made in ME2.
Apart from that, it is far from clear that this decision won't give us more opportunites in the end. It might be a little harder to get at TIM, but that doesn't matter if what we're getting out the base after TIM is done with still helps us against the Reapers. Had TIM turned out indoctrinated with the base while staying sane without it, that would have been a big consequence. But TIM is hostile anyway. So what?
aimlessgun wrote...
Saving the base is a good idea. Being railroaded into 'giving' it to TIM at the end of ME2 was the bad part, forced on us by the writers.
I have spent whole threads arguing this point, and nobody has been able to come up with a reasonable way to prove you can't break TIM's monopoly on the base.
Stinkface27 wrote...
Also, in what instances have you seen somebody handling reaper tech where they HAVEN'T gone insane?
aimlessgun wrote...
Saving the base is a good idea. Being railroaded into 'giving' it to TIM at the end of ME2 was the bad part, forced on us by the writers.
I have spent whole threads arguing this point, and nobody has been able to come up with a reasonable way to prove you can't break TIM's monopoly on the base.
Ieldra2 wrote...
At the time when I make that decision, I do not know that TIM will be hostile. And hostile or not, I still think that the information the base represents must not be destroyed. Even at the price of placing TIM in a position of power. That's what I've always said, and that's what I keep saying.
Unless TIM turns out to be working for the Reapers, keeping the base will be the preferrable decision for me even considering what we now know of ME3's events. Unfortunately, TIM working for the Reapers is not out of the question after ME:Evolution. That would indeed be a very bad consequence.
Seboist wrote...
My boy Jack Harper has humanity's long term interests at heart not the Council,the Geth,the Rachni or anyone else.
Nathan Redgrave wrote...
aimlessgun wrote...
Saving the base is a good idea. Being railroaded into 'giving' it to TIM at the end of ME2 was the bad part, forced on us by the writers.
I have spent whole threads arguing this point, and nobody has been able to come up with a reasonable way to prove you can't break TIM's monopoly on the base.
I can't think of a reasonable way you could, though.
You're thinking too much in black and white.Almostfaceman wrote...
Ieldra2 wrote...
At the time when I make that decision, I do not know that TIM will be hostile. And hostile or not, I still think that the information the base represents must not be destroyed. Even at the price of placing TIM in a position of power. That's what I've always said, and that's what I keep saying.
Unless TIM turns out to be working for the Reapers, keeping the base will be the preferrable decision for me even considering what we now know of ME3's events. Unfortunately, TIM working for the Reapers is not out of the question after ME:Evolution. That would indeed be a very bad consequence.
Ok, let's roleplay a little bit.
Shepard: Now, TiM, raise your right hand and repeat after me. "I, TiM the Unknowable & Unaccountable, do solemnly swear that I won't be naughty and I'll use the Collector Base tech to aid and to work together with the other forces allied against the reapers."
TiM: *giggle* Er, ok. That's all it takes? Should we pinky swear?
Shepard: Now... wear this friendship ring please...
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Modifié par Nyoka, 08 avril 2011 - 05:58 .
Ieldra2 wrote...
You're thinking too much in black and white.Almostfaceman wrote...
Ieldra2 wrote...
At the time when I make that decision, I do not know that TIM will be hostile. And hostile or not, I still think that the information the base represents must not be destroyed. Even at the price of placing TIM in a position of power. That's what I've always said, and that's what I keep saying.
Unless TIM turns out to be working for the Reapers, keeping the base will be the preferrable decision for me even considering what we now know of ME3's events. Unfortunately, TIM working for the Reapers is not out of the question after ME:Evolution. That would indeed be a very bad consequence.
Ok, let's roleplay a little bit.
Shepard: Now, TiM, raise your right hand and repeat after me. "I, TiM the Unknowable & Unaccountable, do solemnly swear that I won't be naughty and I'll use the Collector Base tech to aid and to work together with the other forces allied against the reapers."
TiM: *giggle* Er, ok. That's all it takes? Should we pinky swear?
Shepard: Now... wear this friendship ring please...
Did I say TIM can be trusted not to turn hostile to me? Of course not. And ME3 will prove that. But I do not require of him that he is my friend. The only thing I require of him is that he fights the Reapers.
Yes, something like that is what I expect. It would be totally in TIM's character - if you blow up the base, you're his enemy, if you save it, you're competition. I only wonder what kept him from letting Miranda use that control chip in ME2. Surely there's nothing Shepard could not have done in ME2 with a control chip in his head, and if he was to be eliminated anyway, anything later didn't deserve consideration. With the control chip he could even serve as a useful tool instead of being killed.Nyoka wrote...
If you blow up the base, TIM gets mad at you. I don't think he will be "well I got a little worked up but it's okay Shepard, we're still friends" in ME3. And I don't think they can do two different games, one with cerberus on your side and the other with cerberus against you, at least not if cerberus is going to have any real relevance in the game. Se we have to make up some excuse to get Cerberus against us even if we keep the base. The first thing that comes to mind is a Sun Li-esque twist: "Good job Shepard, you have proven to be an useful tool. You gave me what I wanted. Now die. Muahahaha."
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I can totally picture TIM saying "Alright reapers, I know you wet your pants each time you hear the word "Shepard". So I kill her and you let humanity live, okay?" Well, not exactly those words, but something along those lines. And that would be the reason why Cerberus is now against you regardless of what you did with the collector base. But TIM must have a reason to want the collector base. He says "this base will give us the technology we need to fight the reapers". Is he lying?aimlessgun wrote...
Is TIM supposed to be coming at you from the start? Because I can easily see him activating Plan T once the Reapers arrive: attempt to pull a Saren and join them if he can trade the rest of the galaxy for the survival of some humans (including himself).
Modifié par Nyoka, 08 avril 2011 - 06:09 .
Nyoka wrote...
What excerpts did you read that made you come to that conclusion?
Anyway, if you blow up the base, TIM gets mad at you. I don't think he will be "well I got a little worked up but it's okay Shepard, we're still friends" in ME3. And I don't think they can do two different games, one with cerberus on your side and the other with cerberus against you, at least not if cerberus is going to have any real relevance in the game. Se we have to make up some excuse to get Cerberus against us even if we keep the base. The first thing that comes to mind is a Sun Li-esque twist: "Good job Shepard, you have proven to be an useful tool. You gave me what I wanted. Now die. Muahahaha."
Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 08 avril 2011 - 06:14 .
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