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[Someone With Mass]

Listen to what you're doing. You're giving the base to Cerberus.

The organization that's so hilariously incompetent, it can't even create a VI without jeopardizing the safety of the galaxy.

[Seboist]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Listen to what you're doing. You're giving the base to Cerberus.

The organization that's so hilariously incompetent, it can't even create a VI without jeopardizing the safety of the galaxy.

Cerberus has succeeded plenty of times, here's a list:

Normandy SR-1* = SUCCESS

Normandy SR-2 = SUCCESS

Arc Projector = SUCCESS

EDI = SUCCESS

Lazarus Project = SUCCESS

Stopping the Collectors  = SUCCESS

Preventing Shep's body from falling into the Collectors' hands = SUCCESS

Helping to take down the Shadow Broker = SUCCESS

* Cerberus recommended it's construction.

So yeah, like TIM's VA's son, they're WINNING.

[Ieldra]

Dave of Canada wrote...
Mass Effect 1 & 2's conclusions both have the understanding of Reaper tech playing an almost crucial part of the downfall of the Reapers in that narrative, though. How do you explain that? Is Reaper Tech still bad then?

Exactly.

Reaper tech was incorporated in the Thanix cannon and in EDI. We wouldn't have reached the Collector base in ME2 without EDI's intervention on the Collector Ship.

It makes sense to study Reaper tech to know our enemy. But you know what? Even I were hesitant to give that base to TIM - and using meta-reasoning, I know we'll be able to beat the Reapers anyway - after the Reapers are defeated, I want a universe where Reaper tech is around to be studied with the necessary care - in depth. It may be "space magic" now, but if we never study it it will never cease to be space magic.

[Someone With Mass]

Seboist wrote...

Cerberus has succeeded plenty of times, here's a list:

Normandy SR-1* = SUCCESS

Normandy SR-2 = SUCCESS

Arc Projector = SUCCESS

EDI = SUCCESS

Lazarus Project = SUCCESS

Stopping the Collectors  = SUCCESS

Preventing Shep's body from falling into the Collectors' hands = SUCCESS

Helping to take down the Shadow Broker = SUCCESS

* Cerberus recommended it's construction.

So yeah, like TIM's VA's son, they're WINNING.

That really doesn't weight up against their failures, like project Overlord, project Ascension, their laughable fall in Retribution, the failed attack on the quarian flotilla, the loss of their crew on the derelict Reaper, and so on.

Also, inventing weapons and creating AIs is not something only they can do. The quarians were centuries ahead of them. The turians invented the Thanix cannon, which is way more more important than that puny Arc Projector.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 08 avril 2011 - 09:12 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

"It has to be one or the either. Either you really let people's choices have repercussion. Or, the choice doesn't really affect things and then things end up coming back together. As we're doing parts one and two, we have a really difficult challenge in terms of creating very different outcomes and yet being able to continue the story. The good thing about the third one will be that we no longer have that constraint and things can diverge as far as we can make them go.

That actually will be our goal with the whole trilogy. To take all of the things you've done in Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2 and then just let it go. Let it diverge into wildly different conclusions. That's the real fun of having played Mass Effect 1 and 2 and then going into the third one will be that you've set all of these things in motion and now we can let them diverge. I'm not worried that people will play it and think 'Oh well I missed all of this content that would have been different if I had made other choices' because what that does is make you interested in replaying it. The replay value of Mass Effect 1 was huge, but Mass Effect 2 is much more so and I think it just continues into the conclusion of the trilogy" -Bioware on Mass Effect 3

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 08 avril 2011 - 09:14 .

[Seboist]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Cerberus has succeeded plenty of times, here's a list:

Normandy SR-1* = SUCCESS

Normandy SR-2 = SUCCESS

Arc Projector = SUCCESS

EDI = SUCCESS

Lazarus Project = SUCCESS

Stopping the Collectors  = SUCCESS

Preventing Shep's body from falling into the Collectors' hands = SUCCESS

Helping to take down the Shadow Broker = SUCCESS

* Cerberus recommended it's construction.

So yeah, like TIM's VA's son, they're WINNING.

That really doesn't weight up against their failures, like project Overlord, project Ascension, their laughable fall in Retribution, the failed attack on the quarian flotilla, the loss of their crew on the derelict Reaper, and so on.

Also, inventing weapons and creating AIs is not something only they can do. The quarians were centuries ahead of them. The turians invented the Thanix cannon, which is way more more important than that puny Arc Projector.

The mission in the derelict Reaper got the IFF in the hands of Shep, so that was a SUCCESS too.

[Almostfaceman]

Seboist wrote...


The mission in the derelict Reaper got the IFF in the hands of Shep, so that was a SUCCESS too.

Tell that to the poor schmucks sitting on pikes - I'm sure they were wondering as their brains were scrambled why the hell TiM didn't set up a program that could prevent such a thing from happening.

Modifié par Almostfaceman, 08 avril 2011 - 09:18 .

[Someone With Mass]

Seboist wrote...
The mission in the derelict Reaper got the IFF in the hands of Shep, so that was a SUCCESS too.

As aforementioned, does not weight up against their failures. They've put the galaxy at risk more times than the Reapers have during and between the games.

They're a bunch of ignorant clowns with too much money in their hands.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

I'd say possibly... destroying the Base and stealing TIM's crew and equipment was a bad idea because now Cerberus wants you dead. Hard to tell though until we learn more about the game and how wildly the paths do truly diverge.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 08 avril 2011 - 09:20 .

[Bad King]

Seboist wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Listen to what you're doing. You're giving the base to Cerberus.

The organization that's so hilariously incompetent, it can't even create a VI without jeopardizing the safety of the galaxy.

Cerberus has succeeded plenty of times, here's a list:

Normandy SR-1* = SUCCESS

Normandy SR-2 = SUCCESS

Arc Projector = SUCCESS

EDI = SUCCESS

Lazarus Project = SUCCESS

Stopping the Collectors  = SUCCESS

Preventing Shep's body from falling into the Collectors' hands = SUCCESS

Helping to take down the Shadow Broker = SUCCESS

* Cerberus recommended it's construction.

So yeah, like TIM's VA's son, they're WINNING.

The Shadow broker dossiers also show a lot of Cerberus successes allbeit very ruthless and morally questionable successes.

[Phaedon]

Giving potential WMDs to incapabale and violent ulitirianist pro-humanists?

Sounds good.

Modifié par Phaedon, 08 avril 2011 - 09:23 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Phaedon wrote...

Giving potential WMDs to incapabale and violent ulitirianist pro-humanists?

Sounds good.

Yeah, because in stopping the Collectors we had nothing to do with Cerberus and incapable/violent people... or some of the most dangerous/powerful people in the galaxy even

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 08 avril 2011 - 09:27 .

[Someone With Mass]

Phaedon wrote...

Giving potential WMDs to incapabale and violent ulitirianist pro-humanists?

Sounds good.

It does. Just about as good as letting kids play near the control panel to a nuclear missile silo. 

[Bad King]

Poll on Cerberus's role in Mass Effect 3:

http://social.biowar...85/polls/18180/

[Phaedon]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...
Yeah, because in stopping the Collectors we had nothing to do with Cerberus and incapable/violent people... or some of the most dangerous/powerful people in the galaxy even

ME2 was a Cerberus success?

Eh, remember when a dead Reaper managed to indoctrinate them? 

yea


or when their own mechs conquered a secret base?

Modifié par Phaedon, 08 avril 2011 - 09:34 .

[Someone With Mass]

Or how they injected Thresher Maw acid into soldiers' blood for no good reason.

[The BS Police]

Would anyone really trust this guy?

http://i53.tinypic.com/rgvtc3.jpg

Modifié par The BS Police, 08 avril 2011 - 09:40 .

[Dave of Canada]

Cerberus is about as incompetent as the Council and the Systems Alliance for the sake of side quests.

Edit: Hell, at least their screw ups provide results.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 08 avril 2011 - 09:42 .

[Phaedon]

Or how they abducted babies

Or how they attacked a Hierarchy operation

Or how they indoctrinated people

Or how they attacked the Migrant Fleet

Or how they tortured the asaris

[Someone With Mass]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Cerberus is about as incompetent as the Council and the Systems Alliance for the sake of side quests.

Edit: Hell, at least their screw ups provide results.

Yeah, when Shepard is involved.

[CroGamer002]

Or how TIM resurrected Shepard and gave him most advanced ship in the galaxy with most advance weapons so he/she can give him middle finger after blowing up Collector Base.