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Posté 08 avril 2011 - 02:13

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I can understand that one can make this for ME2, especially with the PS3 release in mind, but please, this is a trilogy. If people start playing Mass Effect with the last installment, it's their fault for not understanding the story.

Not to sound picky, but Tolkien didn't draw a comic so people understand what LotR is about just in case people start reading the books with part 3, The King Returns.

Those ressources, no matter how insignificant, coulb be better spent elsewhere and if it is only a more nice cover for the Ultimate Edition or something like this.

I understand concerns for accessability, but this is ridiculous.


Phew, ... I just had to say this. Thanks.

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Posté 08 avril 2011 - 02:19

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And if I finish all of my ME3 imports and I don't feel like re-playing both ME and ME2, then what?


Or if somone loses their saves.

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Posté 08 avril 2011 - 02:20

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As long as it's not drawn by Dark Horse, I don't mind, I don't care.

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Posté 08 avril 2011 - 02:28

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I think the comic it's not a bad idea at all. Probably the choices you can make are limited. If you have a import you can have a LI, people that know you from your missions, maybe quest related to them too. I don't think a comic can let you choose that, so imports will have that advantage and starters will be able to choose important things, IMHO.

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Posté 08 avril 2011 - 02:32

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I have to agree with the OP to a degree. If you make a trilogy, then design each game as if the last was never played, then, its not really a trilogy. More a series of tightly woven, yet separate games

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Posté 08 avril 2011 - 02:50

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Matt VT Schlo wrote...

I have to agree with the OP to a degree. If you make a trilogy, then design each game as if the last was never played, then, its not really a trilogy. More a series of tightly woven, yet separate games


No it isn't. It's a way to not isolate players who haven't even played Mass Effect or Mass Effect 2 yet - remember that PS3 players didn't have access to Mass Effect 1, and that the comic they used for it, while not perfect, was a heck of a lot better than what they did for Xbox and PC players. If you don't like it, simply import your saves. This comic system they're using is way better than deciding all the major decisions for you like they did with the default system in ME 2, which sucked, to be honest, and you and the OP certainly aren't the only ones who are going to be playing. 

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Posté 08 avril 2011 - 02:51

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No one is forced to play a ME3 comic if they don't want to... but Bioware is giving new players the opportunity of getting into the game fast... (it's kinda like a "Previously on Mass Effect" similar to a soap opera)... no need to be selfish.

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Posté 08 avril 2011 - 02:54

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Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...
Not to sound picky, but Tolkien didn't draw a comic so people understand what LotR is about just in case people start reading the books with part 3, The King Returns.


No, Tolkien sure didn't. He just wrote numerous letters explaining his concepts and included a synopsis in his books. Really, you don't know how selfish you sound right now.

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Posté 08 avril 2011 - 03:42

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What is it with some people on this board wanting to restrict how others play the game ?  I don't see there being any problem with a prologue comic for those that are late to the party/lost their saves/want to make some quick changes to play out different scenarios or those that are switching platforms to play the final game in the series.

No one is going to force you to use the comic, if you don't like the comic then don't use the comic.  I think it is a great idea and about time they did this (they should've done it for ME 2).

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Posté 08 avril 2011 - 03:48

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charmingcharlie wrote...

What is it with some people on this board wanting to restrict how others play the game ?  I don't see there being any problem with a prologue comic for those that are late to the party/lost their saves/want to make some quick changes to play out different scenarios or those that are switching platforms to play the final game in the series.

No one is going to force you to use the comic, if you don't like the comic then don't use the comic.  I think it is a great idea and about time they did this (they should've done it for ME 2).


I'm glad you and some others see this for the troll thread that it is. 

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Posté 08 avril 2011 - 03:49

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Rekkampum wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...
Not to sound picky, but Tolkien didn't draw a comic so people understand what LotR is about just in case people start reading the books with part 3, The King Returns.


No, Tolkien sure didn't. He just wrote numerous letters explaining his concepts and included a synopsis in his books. Really, you don't know how selfish you sound right now.


Selfish is utterly the wrong word. I may exxagerate and I am aware of that. But for qualities sake, if people didn't bother playing the first two games, then why toss candy at them if you could use that candy to make developers more happy so they make an even better game.
It is a trilogy for [insert entity of choice here]'s sake. A trilogy consists of three parts. As I do understand it, you have to read/watch/play all three titles to understand it, not just the final one.
If I make the work to create such a piece, I expect people that are interested to read/watch/play all of it.

I don't just say: "And for all those peeps who weren't interested enough reading/watching/playing the foregoing two parts: this is what you happened!". Because obviously, ... those people aren't interested.

For people having lost savegames, happens all the time. Happened to me and will in the future happen to me. That's nothing tragic. Just play the game once more. Or would you start calling all those games that don't have such a comic are discriminating against players that lost their saves? Double standards, bigtime!

There is no benefit to this comic in a final part of a series consisting of more than two pieces. It neither is necessary for those that just want to play ME3 without replaying Me1 and 2, because they already know the story and if they want their decisions to carry over they have to get their lazy butts on the chair and play the games. Simple as that. That argument is invalid. Nor does the system justice to the missed out story for those that start with ME3. Those people are always better off googling the story. Again, no need to waste ressources on a comic.

This whole comic is a waste.

I should hereby say that I don't rage against the comic. I am just pointing out a major flaw in thinking.

edit:// Funny how I am suddenly called a troll for stating the obvious. And even more funny how people accuse me of wanting to impede the experience of others. Let me make this perfectly clear: People that start with a trilogy on the last chapter impede themselves. I didn't think it would have been necessary to say this, but here it is. I am merely stating my opinion on how wasteful this effort is. This comic is basically addressing a customer group whose defining chractestic is/was theat they were not interested? How am I a troll to say that we could just aswell let them stay uninterested? Tell me that.

Modifié par Neofelis Nebulosa, 08 avril 2011 - 03:53 .

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Posté 08 avril 2011 - 03:50

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i dont haqve some of my saves, or some people dont to replay the entire trilogy again to get certian outcomes, its our editor if you will, stop playa hatin'

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Posté 08 avril 2011 - 03:55

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I agree, BioWare should punish the players who decided to start the trilogy at the very end. Idiots.

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Posté 08 avril 2011 - 04:01

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Exiled Eagle wrote...

I agree, BioWare should punish the players who decided to start the trilogy at the very end. Idiots.


I am no stranger to sarcasm and feel compelled to again repeat on how this would be no punishment of any sorts. But if I came to watch Star Wars starting with the Return of the Jedi, because of whatever happenstance (possibly because I didn't knew the series before and that part just happens the first I can watch for an appropriate comparision of this case!), I'd at first look up the story I missed. That is called curiousity. BioWare is not responsible to substitute for their lack thereof. That is unnecessary petting whose efforts are simply better spend elsewhere.

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Posté 08 avril 2011 - 04:01

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charmingcharlie wrote...

What is it with some people on this board wanting to restrict how others play the game ?  I don't see there being any problem with a prologue comic for those that are late to the party/lost their saves/want to make some quick changes to play out different scenarios or those that are switching platforms to play the final game in the series.

No one is going to force you to use the comic, if you don't like the comic then don't use the comic.  I think it is a great idea and about time they did this (they should've done it for ME 2).

This is pretty much my stance. Having the simple comic in no way impedes your enjoyment of the game. If anything, people new to Mass Effect 3 will use it, play the game, and realize how much they're missing out and go buy ME1 and ME2.

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Posté 08 avril 2011 - 04:04

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Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

There is no benefit to this comic in a final part of a series consisting of more than two pieces. It neither is necessary for those that just want to play ME3 without replaying Me1 and 2, because they already know the story and if they want their decisions to carry over they have to get their lazy butts on the chair and play the games.


There is no benefit to YOU it is not necessary to YOU. All you are thinking about here is yourself and how just because you don't want the comic it should be denied to other people as well.  I have both games on the PC and I have 12/15 different playthroughs.  I will probably do an entire playthrough again of both Mass Effect 1 and 2 before 3 hits the stores.  I will also experience the comic as well to see what it is like and do yet another playthrough in ME 3, I guess that must make me "lazy" then does it ?

Just because you don't deem it necessary or needed does not mean it isn't.  You say that people are too lazy to play through the whole game if they lost a save.  What about those that want to switch platforms ? what if you want to play ME 3 on the PC now (because you upgraded) and you only have ME 1 and 2 on the Xbox 360 ?

I find your line of thinking very strange, the comic is not going to have any impact on you or your game whatsoever.  If you don't want to use the comic then you don't have too.  However there will be others that do find the comic useful and it is a great option for Bioware to include it

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Posté 08 avril 2011 - 04:05

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Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Exiled Eagle wrote...

I agree, BioWare should punish the players who decided to start the trilogy at the very end. Idiots.


I am no stranger to sarcasm and feel compelled to again repeat on how this would be no punishment of any sorts. But if I came to watch Star Wars starting with the Return of the Jedi, because of whatever happenstance (possibly because I didn't knew the series before and that part just happens the first I can watch for an appropriate comparision of this case!), I'd at first look up the story I missed. That is called curiousity. BioWare is not responsible to substitute for their lack thereof. That is unnecessary petting whose efforts are simply better spend elsewhere.

Making comparisons to a movie trilogy vs. a videogame trilogy where over 1000 decisions through ME1 and ME2 are tracked looks pretty hollow to me.

If I don't know Luke and Vader's history, it doesn't so much matter because the story is the same even if I watch both those films

With Mass Effect, that's not the case. I would be missing out on whole characters, WHOLE PLAYABLE SQUADDIES if that comic were not included, and you have no idea to the extext of how much weight our decisions will have in the final game

I understand where you're coming from but programming-wise, to make a comic that simply marks flags on a Shepard save file, probably took them all of 2 weeks.

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Posté 08 avril 2011 - 04:05

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How does it impede ones enjoyment more than oneselfs lack of curiousity to play the first two games or at least google the story for themselves?

I have trouble understanding this. I mean aren't they impeding themselves for not having played the games in first place? Is it BioWare's responsibility to correct their mistake? A good marketing campaign would be far more justice to both the game and its players and interested than a comic in my opinion.

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Posté 08 avril 2011 - 04:08

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Im surprised no one has brought this up:
Just because you are being given the optiuon to reshape your background via interactive comic does NOT mean you are going to get the benefits of importing.

Dont forget that importing a Level 60 character from ME1 got you a lot of bonus credits and resources and started you off at Level 5. Those bonuses did not happen for those who played the interactive comic the first time on ME2 on PS3.

So dont act like Bioware is removing any incentive to import. I do however, like the idea of allowing people to start fresh in ME3, change up some decisions, but NOT get the benefits of importing.

There is nothing wrong with that.

Modifié par merrick97, 08 avril 2011 - 04:09 .

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Posté 08 avril 2011 - 04:17

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Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

How does it impede ones enjoyment more than oneselfs lack of curiousity to play the first two games or at least google the story for themselves?

I have trouble understanding this. I mean aren't they impeding themselves for not having played the games in first place? Is it BioWare's responsibility to correct their mistake? A good marketing campaign would be far more justice to both the game and its players and interested than a comic in my opinion.

Perhpas you don't realize this, but a "sucks to be you" stance when it comes to business and customer satisfaction will hardly bring any new people to the Mass Effect fold

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Posté 08 avril 2011 - 04:18

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charmingcharlie wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

There is no benefit to this comic in a final part of a series consisting of more than two pieces. It neither is necessary for those that just want to play ME3 without replaying Me1 and 2, because they already know the story and if they want their decisions to carry over they have to get their lazy butts on the chair and play the games.


There is no benefit to YOU it is not necessary to YOU. All you are thinking about here is yourself and how just because you don't want the comic it should be denied to other people as well.  I have both games on the PC and I have 12/15 different playthroughs.  I will probably do an entire playthrough again of both Mass Effect 1 and 2 before 3 hits the stores.  I will also experience the comic as well to see what it is like and do yet another playthrough in ME 3, I guess that must make me "lazy" then does it ?

Just because you don't deem it necessary or needed does not mean it isn't.  You say that people are too lazy to play through the whole game if they lost a save.  What about those that want to switch platforms ? what if you want to play ME 3 on the PC now (because you upgraded) and you only have ME 1 and 2 on the Xbox 360 ?

I find your line of thinking very strange, the comic is not going to have any impact on you or your game whatsoever.  If you don't want to use the comic then you don't have too.  However there will be others that do find the comic useful and it is a great option for Bioware to include it



Okay, I see we have problems in understanding each others intentions. I'll break it down without unnecessary throw-ins so my stance should be more clear:

1.)
Comic + Game = Money for Game - Money for Comic
Game without Comic = Money for Game + Money for Comic

That is my primary thinking. I am not about how I don't need this comic. I am about how the ressources could be spent better elsewhere. This and only this. That is not selfish, in fact it is quite the opposite, for I want a better game, for everyone.

2.)
People that would need the comic: People that lost savegames + People that didn't play ME1 and ME2
People that would want the comic: People who want another playthrough without replaying ME1 and 2 + People who are interested in how it looks like

Two of those people can be served exactly what they want in another way. Both savegame issues aswell as those who don't want to replay the foregoing two games can use a savegame editor, which is inevitably to occur in a small timeframe. This one will also be most likely better suitid to customize your data than the comic would be. Problem solved, no BioWare ressources wasted.
And those people who are interested in how it looks like, well ... they are hit hardest, because there would be nothing to look at. But I think that is hardly impeding to anything.

3.)
Then we have the people that didn't play ME1 and/or 2. Who are now playing the final part of a trilogy without having played the foregoing games. Why didn't they do this?
-Lack of money
-Lack of interest
-Lack of accessability (parents forbid it or something like this)

BioWare can't solve the first and last of those issues. And the thing that lasts, the lack of interest is pretty much self explaining.

Hope I could clarify my thinking.

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Posté 08 avril 2011 - 04:20

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Who cares? I assume it's optional, only for people who don't import from ME2. So it doesn't affect you. It's just to make noob's lives easier.

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Posté 08 avril 2011 - 04:26

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javierabegazo wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

How does it impede ones enjoyment more than oneselfs lack of curiousity to play the first two games or at least google the story for themselves?

I have trouble understanding this. I mean aren't they impeding themselves for not having played the games in first place? Is it BioWare's responsibility to correct their mistake? A good marketing campaign would be far more justice to both the game and its players and interested than a comic in my opinion.

Perhpas you don't realize this, but a "sucks to be you" stance when it comes to business and customer satisfaction will hardly bring any new people to the Mass Effect fold


Okay, ... I understand it does very well look like I'd chose this stance. That is ot the case.
However, should a car company pay for driving licenses for those people who don't have one just to sell their cars?

Any new people that would come to join us would do so because they are interested. I don't know how you define "interested", but when I am interested in something I don't know much about, I go and find out. And I don't do that by jumping in the middle of the game not knowing what it's about.

That is exactly the same as if someone started playing a game without reading the manual. He has no idea what to do, can't get past the first assignment and is just cluelessly running around in a game he knows only the cover of. Now should a developer use his money to make sure every single person that does not know the game to look up the manual?
Sorry, but that is what I call common sense. If I don't know something, I find out. BEFORE I get problems.
Now if someone lacks that sense, and persist on playing the game without knowledge, what would you say?

That is what I am thinking about.

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Posté 08 avril 2011 - 04:28

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I would argue that the interactive comic in ME3 actually makes it EASIER for bioware from a story standpoint since it would effectively eliminate the need for them to create another die/resurrection scenario that would be implausible

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Posté 08 avril 2011 - 04:29

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Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...
1.)  Comic + Game = Money for Game - Money for Comic
Game without Comic = Money for Game + Money for Comic


Basically you are saying that the comic will be a financial drain on ME 3 and every last penny of the budget should go into Mass Effect 3 right ?  Well firstly the comic will not be that much of a budget killer.  You will probably find Mass Effect 3 has a budget of around £30 million, the comic won't cost even 1% of that to make.  I would hazard a guess they will actually spend more money on the DRM for the PC version than they will for the actual comic and I know I would rather they ditched the DRM before they ditch the comic.

There are many things in ME that I do not like and I consider a "waste of money" but I appreciate others like them and their needs and wants should be catered for as well.  I am sorry but you going "there should not be a comic because you don't deem it necessary" is just selfishness.

This comic is a GOOD thing and we should all be behind it whether you want to use the comic or not.  It has absolutely minimal impact on ME 3 and those that are not interested in the comic will probably never know it is there.  However for a good proportion of people they could actually find it useful and I see nothing wrong in letting them have this option since it will not impede my experience of ME 3 in anyway whatsoever.

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