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Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

It is there, right?
Because if it is there, it must have been produced. If it was produced, ressources were spent on it.


Yes so your fact is that the "comic was produced and resources were used" you do not have proof that the resources came from the ME 3 budget though do you.

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...  From your point, I'd say you do assume that Dark Horse or whomever programms tha comic did it for free and just gave it to BioWare as a present. If that would indeed be the case, then I am totally fine with it. But assuming it would not cost something is just as wrong.


I did not say they "gave Bioware the comic for free" I said that  Bioware made a deal with Dark Horse comics giving Dark Horse access to the Mass Effect universe (a very lucrative franchise) and in return Dark Horse agreed to produce the prologue comic and give a percentage of the profits to Bioware.  In effect Bioware financed the prologue comic with the franchise rights.

It is also entirely feasible that the cost of producing the comic was factored into the budget so the game budget without the comic would have been £29.9 million  but since they are doing the comic they increased the game budget to £30 million to cover the costs of both the game and the comic.

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...   Proof that it doesn't drain ressources from BioWare. So far you are assuming just like you say I am.


OK two can play at that game, give me proof that the comic drained finances from the Mass Effect 3 budget then.

At the end of the day a game like ME 3 will incorporate a wide range of features some you will love and some you will loathe.  Just because you have no interest in a feature does not mean you should seek to deny that feature to others that may find it useful. 

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This is a very good idea the default choices in ME2 made me replay 50+ hours of ME1 again, just because I got a new xbox live account. If you don't like it don't do it.

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javierabegazo wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

I believe that's not the case because it's far more important to make sure that newcomers to the series have an enjoyable time, to let them fall in love with the franchise and want to play the previous games.

Nefarious, how exactly do you think omitting will make new players feel more welcome than keeping it?


I hope you don't mean me with that nefarious!? I may be wicked, but I am not infamous for it! Posted Image

Lol, sorry, I meant to type your name, Neofelis :P



Sneaky little ... fine moderator. I pierced your mantle of deception! BWAHAHAHAHA! (I am totally not wicked!)

To answer your question: What I have in mind, which can be done with little ressources, is mostly the check-up in later stages. Quality Assurance, translations (ME2 had horribly translations. The german one is ear cancer pressed on a disc to be honest! I am glad I played the series in english since Eden Prime, some youtube videos got me gooseskin from that translations, seriously) and that alike is mostly just a matter of time, coming down monetary mostly on the loan for those people working out bugs and translating scripts. A couple of hours more or some some additional breaks can do wonders in those stages. That is of course a more abstract benefit as opposed to the "graspable" comic, but definetely has no less impact, and that would undoubtedly benefit every single one, as opposed to the comperatively limited group that benefits from the comic.

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In any case, Neofelis, some people thought you were trolling because:

You're asking for the removal of a feature that we KNOW would limit the enjoyment of the game, because of the POSSIBILITY that it might take away from attention to other aspects.

Did you answer my earlier question?

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So you don't have to replay 1 and 2 just to replay 3

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Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...
 That is of course a more abstract benefit as opposed to the "graspable" comic, but definetely has no less impact, and that would undoubtedly benefit every single one, as opposed to the comperatively limited group that benefits from the comic.


You say "comparitively limited", but you don't realize that over 100,000 people ATLEAST are going to take advantage of this feature.

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100.000 get a comic.

Everyone (included those) could have two bugs less. I know I am pretty pragmatic, but Id consider this a good deal (and I know it is easy to say that for me as I have played every single game).

Modifié par Neofelis Nebulosa, 08 avril 2011 - 06:13 .


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Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

100.000 get a comic.

Everyone (included those) could have two bugs less. I know I am pretty pragmatic, but Id consider this a good deal (and I know it is easy to say that for me as I have played every single game).



You should probably also consider everyone who don't have a savegame left from ME2 for some reason, they will also have use for the comic..Also those replaying with new variables.

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Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

Okay, ... small question. Why can't people just say "It is probably not significant enough to have any impact either way, so I am indifferent." instead of resorting to things like selfishness and trolling.


Selfish? You're the one trying to speak for a company on a project you have no knowledge about, deliberately making snide and inappropriate assumptions about people you don't know (i.e. fans you've never met who've not purchased ME 1) and then pretending that your opinions are fact. Definitely selfish, and guaranteed to generate unspoken negativity from people, which is what trolls do.  

Saying you don't like something is alot different from making claims about the thing you don't like - not to mention, haven't even experienced yet for yourself! 

I have understood your reasonings and I have mine. But what some of you are essentially doing is to downplay mine with calling me selfish, de facto depriving me of any credibility in my opinion with such choice of word.
All you are saying is it won't have a big impact. I think that too.


Just contradicted yourself. If it won't have a big impact then it's not a waste of time or a detriment to the development potential of the game itself. With a logic like this, I don't have to downplay you. Don't like that word? Fine. You are substantially inconsiderate about the feelings of others by assuming your opinions are fact.

Nontheless, I think the impact would still be beneficial. You don't think as such or think the otherway round would be more beneficial. Nowhere in there is rightfully place for calling me selfish. I have my opinion, I want the game to be as good as possible and have as least possible strains as manageable.


No, I simply don't think you have the evidence to make that claim, therefore necessitating a criticism of your argument. Which, is contradictory again.

You have yet not come up with an objective fact that counters mine (no one can say that an additional comic does not bind ressources) other than to guess it would have too tiny an impact to actually act as such. Instead you resort to means like calling me a troll and selfish for having my opinion.


Your statement wasn't fact, and you clearly don't understand basic economics when it comes to developing a project. Certain amounts of money are allocated to each aspect of a product, be it advertising, development, paying for voice actors, etc. The money being used to make the comic already was set aside for the express purpose of that most likely. 

Also, since you were the one who's projecting all this information on the development of ME3, the burden of proof falls on you. Cite some sources please.


I have a fact, even though it is unclear on how farreaching its impact is, it remains a fact.


I wish Dean could see how ridiculous this statement is.

No you don't have facts, but assumptions. If it were draining resources that would mean that funds designed specifically for other projects were being allocated to this project, and that the funds specifically allocated to the comic section were unfeasable. Again, opinion, not fact. Unless you can cite it.

And just as I don't have the authority to speak for other people than me, so do you per se not have the authority to speak for anyone else but yourself too.


I am speaking for myself. However, I also noted the people who've been commenting on this thread who agreed with me. Can you do that in reference to your claims? Certainly not, since those lazy folk you saw are probably too irresponsible to voice their own opinion.

Modifié par Rekkampum, 08 avril 2011 - 06:27 .


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Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

100.000 get a comic.

Everyone (included those) could have two bugs less. I know I am pretty pragmatic, but Id consider this a good deal (and I know it is easy to say that for me as I have played every single game).


How many bugs could they have fixed if they ditched femshep ?  How many bugs could they fix if they had ditched
space exploration and kept it based on earth ?  How many bugs could they have fixed if they hadn't brought Martin Sheen in to voice the Illusive Man ? (bet that wasn't cheap)  How many bugs could they have fixed if they had only given us 2 team mates instead of 12 ?

The comic will have negligible affect on the game and it will be of use to thousands of Mass Effect fans.  Now sure you won't have a use for it and that is fair enough you just ignore it and let people that want it use it.

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Indeed, I keep posting this but what if you just get his by some inspiration for a new Shepard. Without the comic you would either have to play through potentially both previous Mass Effect games to get the correct choices and allignment, that is a big time sink. Now, I love the idea of playing the trilogy as a whole and plan to do it in as close to 'one sitting' as you can get for something of that magnitude. But sometimes people just want to create a character with a certain personality or angle to finish the story with or experience a certain part of the game with, without the comic they would be unable to tailor the experience the way they want to.

All to punish the unenlightened infidels who haven't played the previous games? It should be looked at as a way to introduce new people to those games!

Not to mention those who lose save data, something that happens a lot on both console and PC.

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Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

100.000 get a comic.

Everyone (included those) could have two bugs less. I know I am pretty pragmatic, but Id consider this a good deal (and I know it is easy to say that for me as I have played every single game).


I would say that about 80% of the future gamers to play Mass Effect 3 would have played ME2, and maybe 60% would have played ME1, and that's even a generous estimate.

What you're asking for isn't pragmatic, it's borderline paranoid, It seems like when you play ME3, you're going to be on the lookout for those "two bugs that were caused by those pesky new comers and their comic"

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A reminder to everyone to maintain atleast a modicum of respect, especially if you are of dissenting opinions

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There are some elements to Mass Effect that are arguable to whether the final result is or isn't worth the time and resources put in. At least in my opinion, this is something that is incredibly unlikely to be scrapped. If something is going to be cut, I'm not sure this is the best one to choose.


And that's my dissenting opinion.* :devil:


*My Respect limited to 2 modicums per post

Modifié par DominusVita, 08 avril 2011 - 06:40 .


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javierabegazo wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

100.000 get a comic.

Everyone (included those) could have two bugs less. I know I am pretty pragmatic, but Id consider this a good deal (and I know it is easy to say that for me as I have played every single game).


I would say that about 80% of the future gamers to play Mass Effect 3 would have played ME2, and maybe 60% would have played ME1, and that's even a generous estimate.

What you're asking for isn't pragmatic, it's borderline paranoid, It seems like when you play ME3, you're going to be on the lookout for those "two bugs that were caused by those pesky new comers and their comic"


One other thing is that I know of two people who got ME2 on PS3 and were inspired by the comic and ended up buying ME1 on PC so they could experience it.  The comic could ALSO end up being a marketting tool for the first two games.

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It's kind of a pain to replay a couple 30 hour games to see how some different choices end up. I ended up downloading ME1 saves on the PC to see some different stuff.

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Insom wrote...

It's kind of a pain to replay a couple 30 hour games to see how some different choices end up. I ended up downloading ME1 saves on the PC to see some different stuff.


Exactly, I've replayed all of ME1 just to get a different outcome of the "final choice" and EVERYTHING else was the same, it was a pain in the butt ^^

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DominusVita wrote...

There are some elements to Mass Effect that are arguable to whether the final result is or isn't worth the time and resources put in. At least in my opinion, this is something that is incredibly unlikely to be scrapped. If something is going to be cut, I'm not sure this is the best one to choose.


And that's my dissenting opinion.* :devil:

*My Respect limited to 2 modicums per post


LOL @ 2 modicums. I remember I blogged about finding a way to improve on the default setting - I have tons of Shepards, but I also wanted to experience the "canon" version of the game, as Hudson called it, so I myself was upset at how it was implemented in ME2. But I found the comic system in the PS3 version to be, while not perfect, a great start to avoiding alienating the player. I think with all the feedback on it, the comic will hopefully be much better in 3. 

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I don't get it either.

It is best for EA and Bioware not to do it since people who started to play ME3 without playing ME2 and ME1 might buy those games later for more role play choices.

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Mesina2 wrote...

I don't get it either.

It is best for EA and Bioware not to do it since people who started to play ME3 without playing ME2 and ME1 might buy those games later for more role play choices.


If it were Xbox and PC exclusive, that would make sense. Unfortunately, PS3 owners don't have access to ME 1 (hopefully they'll make a port of it) yet, and one could call this a way to bridge the gap as well as develop interest in the other titles.

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Mesina2 wrote...

I don't get it either.

It is best for EA and Bioware not to do it since people who started to play ME3 without playing ME2 and ME1 might buy those games later for more role play choices.


There is a flip side to that, too.  

The interactive comic on PS3 made several people who I know HAVE to play ME1 and they bought it for the PC just so they could experience ME1.

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Mesina2 wrote...

I don't get it either.

It is best for EA and Bioware not to do it since people who started to play ME3 without playing ME2 and ME1 might buy those games later for more role play choices.

The thing is, the people who just rely on the comic will be able to experiance different events in ME3, but will never have a fully tailored Shepard, and by not restricting them too much and allowing them to have fun in ME3, it will increase their curiosity of the full experience.

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javierabegazo wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

I don't get it either.

It is best for EA and Bioware not to do it since people who started to play ME3 without playing ME2 and ME1 might buy those games later for more role play choices.

The thing is, the people who just rely on the comic will be able to experiance different events in ME3, but will never have a fully tailored Shepard, and by not restricting them too much and allowing them to have fun in ME3, it will increase their curiosity of the full experience.


I agree completely.  See my post above.  I

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Rekkampum wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

I don't get it either.

It is best for EA and Bioware not to do it since people who started to play ME3 without playing ME2 and ME1 might buy those games later for more role play choices.


If it were Xbox and PC exclusive, that would make sense. Unfortunately, PS3 owners don't have access to ME 1 (hopefully they'll make a port of it) yet, and one could call this a way to bridge the gap as well as develop interest in the other titles.


Well PS3 has ME2 with some major choices from ME1 with that godawful comic so there's no point for ME3 to have comic.

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