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[javierabegazo]

Mesina2 wrote...



Well PS3 has ME2 with some major choices from ME1 with that godawful comic so there's no point for ME3 to have comic.

er....how so?

Not every person who plays ME3 will have played ME1 and ME2. That's a fact.
I really don't understand how its hard to see that the pros heavily outweigh the cons in an optional comic

[Rekkampum]

Mesina2 wrote...

Rekkampum wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

I don't get it either.

It is best for EA and Bioware not to do it since people who started to play ME3 without playing ME2 and ME1 might buy those games later for more role play choices.

If it were Xbox and PC exclusive, that would make sense. Unfortunately, PS3 owners don't have access to ME 1 (hopefully they'll make a port of it) yet, and one could call this a way to bridge the gap as well as develop interest in the other titles.

Well PS3 has ME2 with some major choices from ME1 with that godawful comic so there's no point for ME3 to have comic.

Perhaps you don't see it that way, but it would be kind of haphazard to simply remove a feature they just made available to accomodate newcomers to the series. Remember that they are considering not only the fans they already have, but also any potential new fans who will join their audience when this game comes out. In light of this, having that comic there will most likely draw them to purchase the previous entries. If it was universally terrible, I'm pretty sure they'd have scrapped it - like the overheat system for their weapons and the long elevator scenes- but they evidently have developed a significant fan base in that regard as well.

In the end, it's about profit as well as fan service. 

[CroGamer002]

javierabegazo wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...



Well PS3 has ME2 with some major choices from ME1 with that godawful comic so there's no point for ME3 to have comic.

er....how so?

Not every person who plays ME3 will have played ME1 and ME2. That's a fact.
I really don't understand how its hard to see that the pros heavily outweigh the cons in an optional comic

It's not problem to me, I just don't see this as very good idea for EA/Bioware to do that since they can make lot more money without it.

[merrick97]

Mesina2 wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...



Well PS3 has ME2 with some major choices from ME1 with that godawful comic so there's no point for ME3 to have comic.

er....how so?

Not every person who plays ME3 will have played ME1 and ME2. That's a fact.
I really don't understand how its hard to see that the pros heavily outweigh the cons in an optional comic

It's not problem to me, I just don't see this as very good idea for EA/Bioware to do that since they can make lot more money without it.

Like you would REALLY have any idea on how much money they stand to lose.  I dont know that but I know its not a LOT as you claim.

But of course you fail to see what they stand to gain giving new players a taste of what they havent played and the comic provides an incentive for them to check out the previous game.

Modifié par merrick97, 08 avril 2011 - 07:39 .

[Relix28]

Well, I was one of those unfortunate souls that lost all ME1 saves (about 10 or so different characters, most of them were lvl.60). Offcourse I played through the game once again, so that I could import my Shep to ME2, but I obviously had only one Shep to import. So that basically meant that I only had two ways to start ME2. One was my mostly paragon Shep from ME that saved Wrex, the council and romanced Liara. And the other was the default ME2 Shep with all his crappy choices and no romance from before. Now if there were an interactive comic available like the one on PS3, that would have been a godsend for me. So yeah, I definitely support the interactive comic for ME3. It will be usefull for newbies and for us veterans that played the first two ME games for hundreds of hours and don't want to do it all over again just to make a different decision that then carries over (like the romance option in ME1 for instance).

Modifié par Relix28, 08 avril 2011 - 08:28 .

[Matt VT Schlo]

javierabegazo wrote...

Not everyone are Hardcore gamers like most of us.

Not everyone knows about the wonder of RPG's.

Not everyone has played a BioWare game before.

granted both of us interested in a product would react the same way but not everyone is 'sparked' the same way. Some people run at at different paces

Sucks to be them!

[CroGamer002]

merrick97 wrote...

Like you would REALLY have any idea on how much money they stand to lose.  I dont know that but I know its not a LOT as you claim.

But of course you fail to see what they stand to gain giving new players a taste of what they havent played and the comic provides an incentive for them to check out the previous game.

Well I do see a big positive for new players.

I was just saying...


Ugh, never mind.

[Almostfaceman]

Mesina2 wrote...

merrick97 wrote...

Like you would REALLY have any idea on how much money they stand to lose.  I dont know that but I know its not a LOT as you claim.

But of course you fail to see what they stand to gain giving new players a taste of what they havent played and the comic provides an incentive for them to check out the previous game.

Well I do see a big positive for new players.

I was just saying...


Ugh, never mind.

Did someone hijack Mesina2's account today?  Usually I agree with this guy most of the time - you're battin' 0 today my friend.

[CroGamer002]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Did someone hijack Mesina2's account today?  Usually I agree with this guy most of the time - you're battin' 0 today my friend.

Blast!

I'm discovered!

[Relix28]

Mesina2 wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...



Well PS3 has ME2 with some major choices from ME1 with that godawful comic so there's no point for ME3 to have comic.

er....how so?

Not every person who plays ME3 will have played ME1 and ME2. That's a fact.
I really don't understand how its hard to see that the pros heavily outweigh the cons in an optional comic

It's not problem to me, I just don't see this as very good idea for EA/Bioware to do that since they can make lot more money without it.

What the hell are you talking about?  EA is known for their ability to make money, more so than anything else. And some half-baked theory of yours is not gonna change that. Belive me, if EA could potentially lose a lot of money because of the comic, they wouldn't allow it in the first place. And that argument of yours doesn't really make much sense anyway.

As for the comic, it is always better to have more options available, then not have them at all. And the comic will do just that. Add more options to the game, wich a lot of players will find usefull. Also, read my previous post.

[CroGamer002]

Fine, proven wrong.

Do I have to start edit my posts for that?

[merrick97]

Mesina2 wrote...

Fine, proven wrong.

Do I have to start edit my posts for that?

It wont hurt. 

[javierabegazo]

The forums isn't about who was wrong or who was right. It's a place for us to nerd out and talk about Mass Effect in the end.

[Relix28]

Mesina2 wrote...

Fine, proven wrong.

Do I have to start edit my posts for that?

Yeah, you should. j/k 

Nah, it's fine dude. Btw, I didn't mean to come off as rude or anything, I was just stating my opinions and experiences.

[merrick97]

More options is always a good thing for players. Having the interactive comic does prevent players who have never played ME1 or ME2 (shame on them!) or lost their saves from ME2 from being denied a good ME3 experience and players should not be forced to replay ME1 and ME2 just to see the effect of their choices.

Having such an option is MORE than worth it. If it was too expensive neither Bioware nor EA would have implemented it.

However, it cannot be understated how much an experience the interactive comic robs you of actually playing through ME1 and ME2. Its always best to experience the first two games and import that way when possible.

[Kingcopper1]

 Not to sound picky, but you totally sound picky here. It's just a matter of convenience and I don't see why anyone wouldn't want it. 

[merrick97]

Kingcopper1 wrote...

 Not to sound picky, but you totally sound picky here. It's just a matter of convenience and I don't see why anyone wouldn't want it. 

They dont want it because it affects how THEY think YOU should play the game.  

[Liec]

It'd be awesome if it were by the Penny Arcade guys like the Dragon Age comic =D

If it's gonna cover both ME1 and ME2 it'll be pretty long... the ME1 comic was like 20 mins long and ME2 has so many more choices that I doubt they'll include most of them.

Modifié par Liec, 08 avril 2011 - 09:35 .

[merrick97]

Liec wrote...

It'd be awesome if it were by the Penny Arcade guys like the Dragon Age comic =D

If it's gonna cover both ME1 and ME2 it'll be pretty long... the ME1 comic was like 20 mins long and ME2 has so many more choices that I doubt they'll include most of them.

I dont think an ME2 comic book would be all that long.  SInce this is the spoiler free forum I cant go through them.  Plus you can go through the comic really quick by pressing X or square.

[GreyLord]

charmingcharlie wrote...

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...
1.)  Comic + Game = Money for Game - Money for Comic
Game without Comic = Money for Game + Money for Comic

Basically you are saying that the comic will be a financial drain on ME 3 and every last penny of the budget should go into Mass Effect 3 right ?  Well firstly the comic will not be that much of a budget killer.  You will probably find Mass Effect 3 has a budget of around £30 million, the comic won't cost even 1% of that to make.  I would hazard a guess they will actually spend more money on the DRM for the PC version than they will for the actual comic and I know I would rather they ditched the DRM before they ditch the comic.

There are many things in ME that I do not like and I consider a "waste of money" but I appreciate others like them and their needs and wants should be catered for as well.  I am sorry but you going "there should not be a comic because you don't deem it necessary" is just selfishness.

This comic is a GOOD thing and we should all be behind it whether you want to use the comic or not.  It has absolutely minimal impact on ME 3 and those that are not interested in the comic will probably never know it is there.  However for a good proportion of people they could actually find it useful and I see nothing wrong in letting them have this option since it will not impede my experience of ME 3 in anyway whatsoever.

Good post.  Everything I would have said...you said already.  Agree 100% on comic and DRM and everything else you said.

[Bozorgmehr]

merrick97 wrote...

More options is always a good thing for players. Having the interactive comic does prevent players who have never played ME1 or ME2 (shame on them!) or lost their saves from ME2 from being denied a good ME3 experience and players should not be forced to replay ME1 and ME2 just to see the effect of their choices.

What? Choices are an important part of ME and any proper rpg. It would be lame if they don't matter at all or players having the option to change / modify the choices they've made in the past for whatever reason.

I'm with the OP, ME is a trilogy - to fully understand everything that's been going on, one has to play all games. However, Bioware can and likely will design ME3 in such a way that newcomers still have a great time. Both ME1 and ME2 are great standalone games (you don't have to play ME1 to enjoy (and understand the main plot of) ME2 - though you'll miss a lot of the fun.

Bottom line is: Comic is fine (though I won't use it), but please keep it simple and don't invest too many resources into it (I rather have no comic and a better game, than a comic and a lesser game). Getting priorities right is the important thing here.

[JamieCOTC]

Big choices will be in the comic and game.  Small or ambient choices will be available only to those who played both ME1 and ME2.  A dev has already confirmed that "there's no desire to invalidate loyalty to the series."

And the idea that the comic will be a financial drain on ME 3 is laughable. As someone who knows a little something about the industry, I doubt even the 1%. 

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 09 avril 2011 - 02:26 .