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[thehun]

I know having gore enabled can cause loss of items, e.g. chunking, freezing deaths, but can you lose plot required items, e.g. the Rhynn Lanthorn as one example. What about magical items, like +1 and so on, can they be lost?

I'd like to enable gore, and don't mind losing gold coins, spell scrolls, 'normal' magic items like +x items, but I don't want to lose 'named' items, e.g. Tuigan bow +1 etc. Anyone know what is and what is not affected by such deaths?

Also, similar questions to disintegrate and flesh to stone/shattering; do these cause the same loss of items and does it occur irrespective of gore being enabled or not.

Hoping some of the old-timers from the previous board are still around...I know you guys know this stuff!

Really though, any and all help is appreciated.

[Jeff W]

I lost Carsomyr this way in a no-reload game. Plot items are probably immune.

[Biotic_Warlock]

I dont even know if gore is an option, when you are chunked, you are chunked.

I get perma killed by lightning bolts and fireballs too. but they didnt cause me to lose items (well it was BG1 so maybe that doesnt count)

[thehun]

Jeff W wrote...

I lost Carsomyr this way in a no-reload game. Plot items are probably immune.

Ouch. Thanks for the clarification though.

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

I dont even know if gore is an option, when you are chunked, you are chunked.

I get perma killed by lightning bolts and fireballs too. but they didnt cause me to lose items (well it was BG1 so maybe that doesnt count)

Sorry, I should have been clear: By chunked, I meant when critical hits will send chunks of your opponent flying around the screen, which only occurs if gore is on (otherwise crits just kill them as normal).  This causes loss of items.

Perma-deaths are a different matter, and you are right that they occur regardless of gore being on or off. They happen if the character takes 'too much damage' from the hit that kills him. Has no effect on loss of items. Only gore affects that.

The only thing that remains to be answered is, do disintegrate and such spells cause loss of items even with gore off?

Modifié par thehun, 09 avril 2011 - 01:38 .

[Grond0]

thehun wrote...
The only thing that remains to be answered is, do disintegrate and such spells cause loss of items even with gore off?

They do, which is why I don't like using disintegrate (or cold or stoning) to kill things.

[Biotic_Warlock]

Item loss is included with the disintegrate info isnt it.
Items, flesh, bone, everything turns to ash D=
It's so annoying that such a good spell has so many drawbacks.

I mean, dragons are kinda vunerable to this, i have disintegrated the shadow dragon about 4 times, but the item losses are annoying.

No shadow armour, no cromm fayr...

well unless u use shadow keeper. =D

[thehun]

It's true, disintegrate and other save or else spells are ones I don't like too much (as in save or nothing happens, I have no problem with save to take half damage); too risky and unsatisfying when it does not come off.

I have however always wanted to use cone of cold and other cold spells (does ice storm cause freezing deaths too i wonder?) because the frozen shattering effect is pretty cool looking. Don't mind losing items when I think about it; all part of the roleplaying, just wanted to know where I stood with all these spells and such.

Thanks for the help and info.

[Jokeslayer]

thehun wrote...

 (does ice storm cause freezing deaths too i wonder?)

Yes it does.

[Ishad Nha]

Items lost in play can be restored by use of the CLUA Console, just hit Control + Space to activate the console. You can use Up and Down arrows to see other commands that you have used in the console recently. You can also paste a line of text into console.
Item codes can be found in the Item Browser of ShadowKeeper, click on the Name box to sort the items by name, then click on the relevant name. Carsomyr is "SW2H10". For example, Jansen Techno-Gloves are "NPMISC2". To retrieve the gloves you would paste this into the console:
CLUAConsole:CreateItem("NPMISC2")
Then press Enter, the lead PC should receive the item into his inventory.

[thehun]

Actually, I played recently with gore on, and I have to correct what I said earlier: The chunking happens regardless of critical hit - as in pieces of flying enemy flesh and guts go everywhere.

Further I have yet to notice any loot being lost (I had no mods that change such behaviour whatsoever). What is meant to happen? Every item disappears, or just some? Is there a chance of this happening or is it supposed to be 100% of the time upon chunking/freezing/disintegrating/etc? I have noticed even frozen enemies will not have items disappear, even leaving behind mundane things such as their 20 gold and a normal short sword.

Also, perhaps there is a difference between critical hit chunking, and other chunking? I don't think so - I think there's just one type and it happens when too much damage is taken on the killing blow (much like beyond -10 hp on a party member which results in perma-death, though not necessarily 'chunking' them always, it's a close parallel).

Anyways, interested to hear if this is how it is supposed to be - i.e. seems a chance upon such deaths of losing items and not a certainty (which is what I assumed).

[Grond0]

My impression is that chunking never causes item loss by itself. Disintegration (including destruction of stoned characters) will lose items. Freezing loses a lot of items, although I agree with you that there seems to be a small chance that an item can survive it - where items are lost I think you always get a small pile of gold (think of this as being the ability to sell the pieces that are left).

[Matuse]

Chunking from melee hits does not lose items. It's only spell effects which do this.

Plot items are immune.