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[Destroy Raiden_]

Was the stealth part where all the guys were conveniently talking to one another out in the open completely shirking their patrols? Nothing like MGS and all I did was head shoot them anyway as punishment for slacking. When they said stealth parts were in there I was thinking more of MGS, Siren, Thief, and Splinter Cell didn't' get any of that.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

I loved it, but I agree that feedback from the game wasn't that great in terms of visibility.

[Raizo]

I enjoyed it, it's by far my favorite part of "Arrival" however I do have a minor complaint about it. I am kind of pissed that Bioware attached an Achievment/Trophy to "Stealth" portion of Arrival, once you know the Achievment/Tropy is there it pretty much encourages ( more like subtly forces ) 360/PS3 gamers to take the Stealth route instead of going in and shooting everything that moves. The ME games should be about freedom of choice by alowing the gamer to play the ME games the way the gamer wants to but the pursuit of Achievments/Trophy kind of subtly encourages the gamer that the stealth option is the "right" option. There shouldn't be any right or wrong choices in the ME games.

I could go on to list some other minor gripes ( the length, the way guards never leave thier psotions or change thier line of sight ) but I think other posters have those covered. I wouldn't mind another stealth oprtion in ME3, just keep it short and don't do it too much, as much as I loved it I did miiss my squad mates alot and one of things that really bugs me about Arrival was that the whole entire thing was a solo mission.

[Geth_Prime]

I enjoyed it, but I had a couple of gripes about it.
- Too easy. If you had to time your movement right and guards actually moved around, it would have been easier.
- If you chose to be stealthy it meant you missed out on a load of stuff in certain rooms, which kinda sucked.
It was pretty cool though.

[We Tigers]

It wasn't anything special. As others have said, there's nothing in game that suggests it's stealth-focused; it just seemed like really easy combat. The atmosphere was good, though, so I'll say that I'd be for more environments like that even if there isn't a covert aspect attached.

Like the solo play in Arrival, the stealth just didn't work. The game wasn't built for either of those scenarios, and it shows.

[Psearo]

Raphael diSanto wrote...

It was a cool concept. Given the limitations of the ME2 engine, it was executed about as well as could be expected. Kinda a bummer that Infiltrators couldn't use their cloak, but I guess it keeps the field level for the other classes, I guess.

Alpha Protocol would like a word with you....
Both made using Unreal3 engine. Not the engine's fault that the stealth option wasn't as good as it potentially could have been.

[Lunatic LK47]

Psearo wrote...

Raphael diSanto wrote...

It was a cool concept. Given the limitations of the ME2 engine, it was executed about as well as could be expected. Kinda a bummer that Infiltrators couldn't use their cloak, but I guess it keeps the field level for the other classes, I guess.

Alpha Protocol would like a word with you....
Both made using Unreal3 engine. Not the engine's fault that the stealth option wasn't as good as it potentially could have been.

Uh, Alpha Protocol is a BAD example considering how much of a bug-fest of a game that is (i.e. Perfect way to "ghost" is to just spam Shadow Operative, but by the time you do max it out, your third plot-point country is already over.). Stealth was more reliant on luck than skill even if you did play the game properly.

[ODST 5723]

When I think Stealth I think of 2 scenarios

1) Infiltration with the express intent of avoiding all conflict, thus finding non-traditional means of bypassing potential hostiles in order to slip in and out entirely undetected..
2) Tactical covert infiltration that includes eliminating or subduing potential hostiles without alerting the enemy of your presence.

Granted, these could be combined, but I think Arrival did OK at trying to go after the first scenario. Not a fantastic job, but serviceable. I would have preferred the second option, especially if it had included sabotage like drawing the enemy away from some key points by letting the "Batarian War Beasts" out of their cages, or luring a guard under the crane and dropping something on them to make it look like an accident while you slip off further into the prison.

[SalsaDMA]

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

Psearo wrote...

Raphael diSanto wrote...

It was a cool concept. Given the limitations of the ME2 engine, it was executed about as well as could be expected. Kinda a bummer that Infiltrators couldn't use their cloak, but I guess it keeps the field level for the other classes, I guess.

Alpha Protocol would like a word with you....
Both made using Unreal3 engine. Not the engine's fault that the stealth option wasn't as good as it potentially could have been.

Uh, Alpha Protocol is a BAD example considering how much of a bug-fest of a game that is (i.e. Perfect way to "ghost" is to just spam Shadow Operative, but by the time you do max it out, your third plot-point country is already over.). Stealth was more reliant on luck than skill even if you did play the game properly.

I disagree. Alpha protocol is a good example. I stealthed through most of my missions, only pulling out the heavy guns when I was stupid enough to alert them by being careless.

There was nothing luck based about it. Stay out of sight, move silently, use silenced weapons or slient melee-takedowns, stay out of cameras sights and I was having  a blast stealthing around.

AP did have some issues, I'll give that, but it had a good stealth system and a better way of keeping track of your reputation than the paragon/renegade system ME uses (even if the game shows that it ended up being rushed out the door before it was fully ready by some of the reps getting mishandled in the end).

[Raanz]

Hehe....you're blaming the game engine on a poorly executed "stealth" mission?
I'm glad some of you had fun with it, but it was...well....*yawn*

[Silmane]

Not like the Batarians could see you with those helmets anyway.

>Have four eyes
>wear a helmet that only supports 2
>derpderpderpderpderp

[ItsFreakinJesus]

It made me want a Mass Effect stealth action game even more.  And as much as I liked the scenario, I just hope Bioware doesn't shoehorn stealth mechanics into ME3 randomly for the hell of it. 

[Lunatic LK47]

SalsaDMA wrote...

I disagree. Alpha protocol is a good example. I stealthed through most of my missions, only pulling out the heavy guns when I was stupid enough to alert them by being careless.

Uh, my personal experiences said otherwise, and this is coming from someone who has had seven complete playthroughs.

There was nothing luck based about it. Stay out of sight, move silently, use silenced weapons or slient melee-takedowns, stay out of cameras sights and I was having  a blast stealthing around.

Uh, I did ALL OF THE ABOVE.It still doesn't explain why guards would randomly go on red-alert when I'm three floors away from them and have SILENT EQUIPMENT. Erratic A.I. =/= good design. Oops, "Ghosting ain't allowed just because we love to make A.I. erratic or just slacked off with the Quality Assurance department."

Modifié par Lunatic LK47, 14 avril 2011 - 12:30 .

[Thrombin]

Lunatic LK47 wrote...
Uh, I did ALL OF THE ABOVE.It still doesn't explain why guards would randomly go on red-alert when I'm three floors away from them and have SILENT EQUIPMENT. Erratic A.I. =/= good design. Oops, "Ghosting ain't allowed just because we love to make A.I. erratic or just slacked off with the Quality Assurance department."

What about the security barriers?  I suspect if you trip the light beam (even several floors away) it would alert them.

[SalsaDMA]

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

I disagree. Alpha protocol is a good example. I stealthed through most of my missions, only pulling out the heavy guns when I was stupid enough to alert them by being careless.

Uh, my personal experiences said otherwise, and this is coming from someone who has had seven complete playthroughs.

There was nothing luck based about it. Stay out of sight, move silently, use silenced weapons or slient melee-takedowns, stay out of cameras sights and I was having  a blast stealthing around.

Uh, I did ALL OF THE ABOVE.It still doesn't explain why guards would randomly go on red-alert when I'm three floors away from them and have SILENT EQUIPMENT. Erratic A.I. =/= good design. Oops, "Ghosting ain't allowed just because we love to make A.I. erratic or just slacked off with the Quality Assurance department."

I don't know what to say except I never had any issues in any of my playthroughs. When the alert was sounded, I could always see a clear reason for it. So I never had issues of the kind you are talking about.

I wouldn't put it past a circumstance of things in your games bugging it out, as the game certainly wasn't supported proper by SEGA, which I really dislike them for. The premises and concept of the game, though, worked for me. Only things I disliked was the bugs and feeling of it being rushed at certain points, where it's clear that Q&A wasn't allowed to fix all the issues due to timerestraints. (I always got annoyed when my character should defend that people had died at the embassy when he didn't shoot them, but tried to defend them from the real attackers, for example )

Modifié par SalsaDMA, 14 avril 2011 - 03:33 .

[Lunatic LK47]

Thrombin wrote...

What about the security barriers?  I suspect if you trip the light beam (even several floors away) it would alert them.

I wouldn't have problems with cameras. Problem is erratic A.I. with the guards. They would RANDOMLY jump from "dumb as bricks" to psychically competent at the most inconvient times. BTW, I played the game properly (i.e. Always wore a stealth suit, made sure my mods are completely silenced, etc.)

[naledgeborn]

If the devs are experimenting with this in Arrival to present it as a viable option in ME3 I'm all for it. Just make stealth more difficult for non-tech classes (disabling security systems and counter measures) and more difficult in general. Sure I want the option to charge in as a Soldier/Vanguard and kill everything in my way. I also want the option to avoid combat methodically with my Infiltrator/Sentinel en-route to the mission objective. The Hitman series comes to mind.

Make it happen ME devs!

[SalsaDMA]

Lunatic LK47 wrote...

Thrombin wrote...

What about the security barriers?  I suspect if you trip the light beam (even several floors away) it would alert them.

I wouldn't have problems with cameras. Problem is erratic A.I. with the guards. They would RANDOMLY jump from "dumb as bricks" to psychically competent at the most inconvient times. BTW, I played the game properly (i.e. Always wore a stealth suit, made sure my mods are completely silenced, etc.)

Might have been an issue with a bug in the difficulty level coding. I can't remember what difficulty levels I played it on, and when I just loaded it up to check my saves, I can see that dificulty level was only choosable at the start of a game appearantly, so I'm stumped if I can remember what I usually played at.

[Chuvvy]

Cool concept, but not a real stealth sequence. Hope to see a more refined version in ME3.

[PicdiCr80]

People will moan about ****ing everything it seems...Jesus.

[Talmook]

There's a definite bug. I stealthed through never being seen and never setting any alarms or alerting guards, and didn't get the achievement. PC platform bug

[Clonedzero]

Avissel wrote...

I liked the idea, but the execution was a little lacking. There was no real challenge to being stealthy.

this.

stealth can be alot of fun, just in games that werent designed for it then its a bit lame.

[008Zulu]

The varren don't count for detection. The infiltrators stealth field is a good one to have here, especially during the 5 wave battle; Dominate then stealth to drop agro. Repeat for acheivable.

[Golden Owl]

Never really viewed Shep as a stealth character...his about as subtle as a brick...always found it at odds that Thane asked for Sheps help on don't get spotted or make waves mission...I play an Infiltrator, got the Stealth Achievement because I could, but am neither here or there on it... I like stealth personally, the other two games I play, I can stealth play, but its just not Shep.

[Pani Mauser]

I loved stealth option. Even if is was really simple and basic, I still enjoyed the ability to take non-violent route. Missions like that bring variety, and I welcome it. Killing hordes of mercs/husks gets repetitive after some time. So, bring it on:)