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[CroGamer002]

Read this:

A few old friends will be returning as squad mates, including Liara, Ashley/Kaiden and, if he’s alive, Garrus.

Providing they survived the previous games, Wrex, Mordin, Legion, and Anderson will be in Mass Effect 3, though not as members of your team.



So somebody explain why on Earth is Liara, the Shadow Broker, went to run around with Shepard to shoot stuff?!

THAT MAKES NO SENSE!!!!!

She is a goddamn Shadow Broker and her role as SB is more important then ever and NOW she decides to join you?! Not when she wasn't even close to take down SB?

What was the point of LotSB is she just abandoned SB role?

Oh and LotSB happens in ME3 even if you didn't play DLC since it's a bridge DLC.



Also what kills me the most that Mordin and Legion are kicked off.
WHY?!

Now I can kinda get Mordin that he might be too old for combat and he just research stuff on Normandy for you but Legion?! Why on Earth would Legion leave?!
That makes even less sense!


That really pissed me off since not only that Legion is my most favorite character but we barley had anything with him/them since he's/they're one of the last squadmates to pick up AND if you want to get the best ending he has/they have to be recruited after you do at least 8/10 LM( 10/12 with Kasumi and Zaeed)!




Bioware you got to have very good explanation for this or confirm that those magazines were misinformed about Liara, Legion and possibly with Mordin.

[Akizora]

I've said this as a possible reason before, perhaps the Reapers somehow found out that Liara is the new Shadowbroker, working with Shepard and where her base of operations is located. As a result the Reapers have launched an attack on her and one of your first order of business is to go there and rescue her.

She then transfers her base of operations onboard the Normandy and travel with you.

[Kronner]

It makes sense to me.
She is not only Shadow Broker, but also a powerful biotic and possible LI.
Legion can be killed or sold, and is not LI. So it makes sense he is not a squadmate in ME3.

[Akizora]

Kronner wrote...

It makes sense to me.
She is not only Shadow Broker, but also a powerful biotic and possible LI.
Legion can be killed or sold, and is not LI. So it makes sense he is not a squadmate in ME3.

Legion can be any Geth though, they would likely all accept the name Legion as an appropriate designation for a mobile platform capable of communication.

[PrinceLionheart]

There's still a while to go before we know the full confirmed squadmate list so I'd just be patient.

[SmokePants]

It remains to be seen if she's a full-time companion or just around for a mission or two.

[Marta Rio]

"Bioware, you got some 'splaining to do"

Calm thyself, Mesina.  It'll be ok.

I agree I don't understand (at this point) why Liara would step down as the SB, although I suspect that she'll leave someone she trusts (Feron) in charge.  Also, the plot may relate to some of the prothean tech that was left behind, in which case having a prothean expert along certainly wouldn't hurt.

[We Tigers]

LOTSB sets it up so Liara can go either way. Feron gives Bioware an easy out. "Hey Feron, handle broker duties while I help Shepard." Easy.

By the end of the DLC, what she wants is to help Shepard however she can, and that leaves plenty of ways for her to do that for ME3.

[CroGamer002]

Akizora wrote...

I've said this as a possible reason before, perhaps the Reapers somehow found out that Liara is the new Shadowbroker, working with Shepard and where her base of operations is located. As a result the Reapers have launched an attack on her and one of your first order of business is to go there and rescue her.

She then transfers her base of operations onboard the Normandy and travel with you.

Problem#1 That means she was attacked way before Earth got attacked. Why and how?

Problem#2 How would Reapers know that? They are isolated from any sort of information after Suicide Mission and Arrival. Unless they have some sleeper agents but how would they know about Liara being a SB?

Problem#3 Wouldn't be more plausible that she just relocates somewhere else after she saves Shepard and not get, I don't know, killed during ME3?

Problem#4 Where is she gonna store all info and communications on Normandy? Normandy SR2 is a small ship and it will travel all over the place. What if she lost communication with agents in one of her missions?

Problem#5 She must be 24/7 online while contacting every single contact.

[CroGamer002]

Kronner wrote...

It makes sense to me.
She is not only Shadow Broker, but also a powerful biotic and possible LI.
Legion can be killed or sold, and is not LI. So it makes sense he is not a squadmate in ME3.

Hey look, Garrus can be killed aswell.

He returns.


Argument killed.


Also I have Jack and Samara on my team and they are more powerful Biotics( plot wise not game mechanic)

Modifié par Mesina2, 08 avril 2011 - 05:54 .

[Nathan Redgrave]

Literally anyone can pose as the Broker. Even the office VI would be fooled. There's nothing stopping Liara from stepping out to carry out business elsewhere provided she has a trusted associate who can warm the office recliner for a while.

[Gentleman Moogle]

1. We don't know that Mordin/Legion/Wrex/anyone else isn't a squaddie, only that they haven't been confirmed as squaddies yet. PC Gamer got that bit wrong. I have faith that most of the ME2 squad will come back as squaddies, and we'll be seeing confirmations as ME3 approaches.

2. I can think of several different scenarios where Liara's coming onto the team can make sense. Suppose her intel network is destroyed by the Reapers? Much of her network is composed of HumInt assets, it seems, and under a huge invasion would be rendered fairly useless. Or, as Akizora says, perhaps the Reapers learn of her location and she transfers to Shepard's ship for safety.

[Akizora]

Mesina2 wrote...

Akizora wrote...

I've said this as a possible reason before, perhaps the Reapers somehow found out that Liara is the new Shadowbroker, working with Shepard and where her base of operations is located. As a result the Reapers have launched an attack on her and one of your first order of business is to go there and rescue her.

She then transfers her base of operations onboard the Normandy and travel with you.

Problem#1 That means she was attacked way before Earth got attacked. Why and how?

Problem#2 How would Reapers know that? They are isolated from any sort of information after Suicide Mission and Arrival. Unless they have some sleeper agents but how would they know about Liara being a SB?

Problem#3 Wouldn't be more plausible that she just relocates somewhere else after she saves Shepard and not get, I don't know, killed during ME3?

Problem#4 Where is she gonna store all info and communications on Normandy? Normandy SR2 is a small ship and it will travel all over the place. What if she lost communication with agents in one of her missions?

Problem#5 She must be 24/7 online while contacting every single contact.

1#: The Reapers can probably send agents through the relays anywhere they want, after Shepard leaves earth they may be aware of this and seek to destroy any leads he may have.

2# It is possible they have agents in place or "bugs" in communications, anything I write here though would be 100% pure speculation without evidence..I just see it as a viable way of forcing her onboard the Normandy.

3# It is possible she comes to earth to be a witness at his trial or to break him out after receiving evidence, another viable option to get her onboard the Normandy.

4# and 5# EDI has quite a datacore and is capable of handling multiple communications in a network, Feron could also function as her "stand-in" while she goes on missions...Also, I don't think she is awake 24/7 in the shadowbroker base anyway, she must sleep at which point all communications are either processed automatically and only priority 1 wake her up.

[Nathan Redgrave]

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

2. I can think of several different scenarios where Liara's coming onto the team can make sense. Suppose her intel network is destroyed by the Reapers?

Yes, let's build up the Liara-and-the-Shadow-Broker sideplot into the most awesome DLC in the series just so we can handwave it into oblivion at the start of the sequel!

...No.

Just, no.

[CroGamer002]

Marta Rio wrote...

"Bioware, you got some 'splaining to do"

Calm thyself, Mesina.  It'll be ok.

I agree I don't understand (at this point) why Liara would step down as the SB, although I suspect that she'll leave someone she trusts (Feron) in charge.  Also, the plot may relate to some of the prothean tech that was left behind, in which case having a prothean expert along certainly wouldn't hurt.

The only old tech that can be useful is from the Reapers( CB) or that weapon that killed that Reaper in IFF mission that outdates Protheans.

So yeah, Protheans are useless after ME1 unless they find out something about that weapon, somehow.

[CroGamer002]

We Tigers wrote...

LOTSB sets it up so Liara can go either way. Feron gives Bioware an easy out. "Hey Feron, handle broker duties while I help Shepard." Easy.

By the end of the DLC, what she wants is to help Shepard however she can, and that leaves plenty of ways for her to do that for ME3.

Hmh, Liara is expiriance in information business while Feron is... not.

So yeah, not a good idea.
Also she is way, WAY more useful as SB and not as some random powerful soldier.

[AdmiralCheez]

"Not on squad" =/= "one-minute cameo." Take a chill pill, brah. I will, however, admit that the Liara thing is dumb, but who knows? She might just be temping.

Frankly, I'm more pissed about Ashley's new character design; she looks too much like Miranda. I miss the bun. And the armor. And the pink. (And yeah, I know, just concept art, subject to change, blah blah blah.)

[Bamboozalist]

@ OP: They're not confirmed as squadmates only that they're playable for a bit. Neither are the others confirmed to NOT be squadmates for all we know.

Game Start:

Shepard on Trial
Reapers Attack
VS and Liara show up and help Shepard get back to the Normandy acting as temporary squadmates (article says they're playable not permanent squadmates I don't know why everyone is making this jump)
Get back to the Normandy, sudden surprise reveal, BAM there is your team.

[CroGamer002]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Literally anyone can pose as the Broker. Even the office VI would be fooled. There's nothing stopping Liara from stepping out to carry out business elsewhere provided she has a trusted associate who can warm the office recliner for a while.

But it is really risky to put someone inexperienced in that stuff and you need someone you can trust.

[Almostfaceman]

Since we really know very little about the story - determining what does and what doesn't make sense at this point is guesswork. Calm down.

[Zulmoka531]

Hey, if I get the entire original crew, including Tali, I've got no complaints.

[Akizora]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Since we really know very little about the story - determining what does and what doesn't make sense at this point is guesswork. Calm down.

Ah cmon its fun to speculate! Its what keeps you going from boredom as you wait for ME3 ^^

[Supersomething]

You don't think the Shadow Broker is capable of having a mobile platform on the Normandy... it is a pretty advanced Warship.