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[Locutus_of_BORG]

Kronner wrote...

It makes sense to me.
She is not only Shadow Broker, but also a powerful biotic and possible LI.
Legion can be killed or sold, and is not LI. So it makes sense he is not a squadmate in ME3.

Liara makes sense for me, but Legion not as much.

Liara might be SB, but by no means does that mean she *needs* to stay on Hagalaz. Just like how Aria has her hands in everything in Omega, yet still does almost her own dirty work for some reason... Then again, Liara could just be an responsible/irresponsible SB, which fits her weirdness as a person.

Legion wouldn't show up if he were killed or sold. However, I don't see any obvious reason that he'd be on his own if he survived the SM... unless the Geth and Quarians are fighting in ME3.

Modifié par Locutus_of_BORG, 08 avril 2011 - 06:10 .

[CroGamer002]

Akizora wrote...


1#: The Reapers can probably send agents through the relays anywhere they want, after Shepard leaves earth they may be aware of this and seek to destroy any leads he may have.

2# It is possible they have agents in place or "bugs" in communications, anything I write here though would be 100% pure speculation without evidence..I just see it as a viable way of forcing her onboard the Normandy.

3# It is possible she comes to earth to be a witness at his trial or to break him out after receiving evidence, another viable option to get her onboard the Normandy.

4# and 5# EDI has quite a datacore and is capable of handling multiple communications in a network, Feron could also function as her "stand-in" while she goes on missions...Also, I don't think she is awake 24/7 in the shadowbroker base anyway, she must sleep at which point all communications are either processed automatically and only priority 1 wake her up.

1# And they know location of Liara, how?

2# How would those agent menage to plant some bugs on communications of the most powerful information broker in galaxy?! Wouldn't SB noticed them and destroy them?

3# As a temp-squadmate it is possible but whole game?!

4# and 5# EDI might do few dozens of communications at same time but SB has 100s if not 1000s of communications to follow 24/7 undetected and EDI still has to run Normandy's systems?! Also VI just inform her for some contact while she sleeps.

[Akizora]

Locutus_of_BORG wrote...

Kronner wrote...

It makes sense to me.
She is not only Shadow Broker, but also a powerful biotic and possible LI.
Legion can be killed or sold, and is not LI. So it makes sense he is not a squadmate in ME3.

Liara makes sense for me, but Legion not as much..

Well the Geth VS Quarian conflict loomed very close on the horizon in ME2, it wouldn't be a far-bet to assume it will play out in ME3 and that Legion and Tali could potentially be involved (if they survived).

[Akizora]

Mesina2 wrote...

Akizora wrote...


1#: The Reapers can probably send agents through the relays anywhere they want, after Shepard leaves earth they may be aware of this and seek to destroy any leads he may have.

2# It is possible they have agents in place or "bugs" in communications, anything I write here though would be 100% pure speculation without evidence..I just see it as a viable way of forcing her onboard the Normandy.

3# It is possible she comes to earth to be a witness at his trial or to break him out after receiving evidence, another viable option to get her onboard the Normandy.

4# and 5# EDI has quite a datacore and is capable of handling multiple communications in a network, Feron could also function as her "stand-in" while she goes on missions...Also, I don't think she is awake 24/7 in the shadowbroker base anyway, she must sleep at which point all communications are either processed automatically and only priority 1 wake her up.

1# And they know location of Liara, how?

2# How would those agent menage to plant some bugs on communications of the most powerful information broker in galaxy?! Wouldn't SB noticed them and destroy them?

3# As a temp-squadmate it is possible but whole game?!

4# and 5# EDI might do few dozens of communications at same time but SB has 100s if not 1000s of communications to follow 24/7 undetected and EDI still has to run Normandy's systems?! Also VI just inform her for some contact while she sleeps.

Well I cant answer 1,  or 3 but as for 2, Cerberus was in his communications network and discovered his location, why not the reapers that are far more sophisticated in data-infiltration?

4 and 5, well if she doesnt have a choice she might prioritise transmissions of a certain nature I'm really not actually basing this theory on anything but a convenient plotdevice for bioware ^^

[Fixers0]

Short anwser: Mac Walters and his team of writers like to retcon lore and continuity for more ''cool'' things.

[CroGamer002]

Supersomething wrote...

You don't think the Shadow Broker is capable of having a mobile platform on the Normandy... it is a pretty advanced Warship.

That's the problem.

Normandy is a small stealth warship, not huge ass ship that nobody can find it unless know where to look which sole purpose is communication with 100s if not 1000s of contacts.

[Babli]

She is probably there because of Shepards trial. Maybe she is part of it, because she was in his team and has some crucial info or something.

And she is playable "to some extent" so probably she will return to her base after that. We dont know and hopefully we wont until we will play it.

[CroGamer002]

Locutus_of_BORG wrote...

Liara might be SB, but by no means does that mean she *needs* to stay on Hagalaz. Just like how Aria has her hands in everything in Omega, yet still does almost her own dirty work for some reason... Then again, Liara could just be an responsible/irresponsible SB, which fits her weirdness as a person.

There's a big difference between having contacts on just one space station and having 100s if not 1000s of contacts all over the galaxy.

[CroGamer002]

Babli wrote...

She is probably there because of Shepards trial. Maybe she is part of it, because she was in his team and has some crucial info or something.

And she is playable "to some extent" so probably she will return to her base after that. We dont know and hopefully we wont until we will play it.

I have no problem for her to be just on trial and helps Shepard escape and maybe 1-2 missions later on as temp-squadmate.

But being perma-squadmate entire ME3 is the problem.


I hope it's just misinformation to those magazines about Liara, Legion and maybe even with Mordin.

Modifié par Mesina2, 08 avril 2011 - 06:17 .

[Marta Rio]

Mesina2 wrote...

Marta Rio wrote...

"Bioware, you got some 'splaining to do"

Calm thyself, Mesina.  It'll be ok.

I agree I don't understand (at this point) why Liara would step down as the SB, although I suspect that she'll leave someone she trusts (Feron) in charge.  Also, the plot may relate to some of the prothean tech that was left behind, in which case having a prothean expert along certainly wouldn't hurt.

The only old tech that can be useful is from the Reapers( CB) or that weapon that killed that Reaper in IFF mission that outdates Protheans.

So yeah, Protheans are useless after ME1 unless they find out something about that weapon, somehow.

I guess I should have specified "tech and info."

The Protheans seemed to know a fair amount about the Reapers, and learned even more about them while they were in the process of invading.  They just didn't know enough soon enough. 

There's a lot we don't know about the Protheans.  Heck we don't even know what exactly happened to the last few scientists.  Vigil says that they almost certainly died, but maybe they hid a treasure trove of info on the Citadel before that (or maybe there're even a few in stasis somwhere).  In that case having Liara along might not be a total waste of time.

Modifié par Marta Rio, 08 avril 2011 - 06:23 .

[Bamboozalist]

Mesina2 wrote...

Babli wrote...

She is probably there because of Shepards trial. Maybe she is part of it, because she was in his team and has some crucial info or something.

And she is playable "to some extent" so probably she will return to her base after that. We dont know and hopefully we wont until we will play it.

I have no problem for her to be just on trial and helps Shepard escape and maybe 1-2 missions later on as temp-squadmate.

But being perma-squadmate entire ME3 is the problem.


I hope it's just misinformation to those magazines about Liara, Legion and maybe even with Mordin.

Then it's a good thing we don't have any perma-squadmates confirmed. All the article says is that they're "playable to an extent" notice the extent. I still maintain that VS, Liara, and Wrex will all play a much bigger role than just being Shepard's squadmates hence them being "saved" for ME3.

[Kagura_Hakubi]

How about this scenario?

The Normandy SR2 is destroyed! (gasp) and the entire crew has to relocate to Liara's Cool Spaceship instead!

[CroGamer002]

Marta Rio wrote...

I guess I should have specified "tech and info."

The Protheans seemed to know a fair amount about the Reapers, and learned even more about them while they were in the process of invading.  They just didn't know enough soon enough. 

There's a lot we don't know about the Protheans.  Heck we don't even know what exactly happened to the last few scientists.  Vigil says that they almost certainly died, but maybe they hid a treasure trove of info on the Citadel before that (or maybe there're even a few in stasis somwhere).  In that case having Liara along might not be a total waste of time.

And how would Protheans know anything about Reapers and even if they did they somehow kept that data?

They were destroyed just like any other race in Reaper's Cycle and only difference was surviving science team on Ilos.

[Akizora]

Mesina2 wrote...

Marta Rio wrote...

I guess I should have specified "tech and info."

The Protheans seemed to know a fair amount about the Reapers, and learned even more about them while they were in the process of invading.  They just didn't know enough soon enough. 

There's a lot we don't know about the Protheans.  Heck we don't even know what exactly happened to the last few scientists.  Vigil says that they almost certainly died, but maybe they hid a treasure trove of info on the Citadel before that (or maybe there're even a few in stasis somwhere).  In that case having Liara along might not be a total waste of time.

And how would Protheans know anything about Reapers and even if they did they somehow kept that data?

They were destroyed just like any other race in Reaper's Cycle and only difference was surviving science team on Ilos.

They travelled the galaxy and planted beacons as warnings, there may be information planted somewhere by them.

[CroGamer002]

Kagura_Hakubi wrote...

How about this scenario?

The Normandy SR2 is destroyed! (gasp) and the entire crew has to relocate to Liara's Cool Spaceship instead!

Considering that article says Shepard is escaping to Normandy I don't think that will happen.

Also that ship isn't stealth and it is much slower so not very useful.


Also destroying Normandy again is a BIG NO.

[Akizora]

Mesina2 wrote...

Kagura_Hakubi wrote...

How about this scenario?

The Normandy SR2 is destroyed! (gasp) and the entire crew has to relocate to Liara's Cool Spaceship instead!

Considering that article says Shepard is escaping to Normandy I don't think that will happen.

Also that ship isn't stealth and it is much slower so not very useful.


Also destroying Normandy again is a BIG NO.

Also considering we know that the reapers use the mass relays to their own advantage and prevent other species from using them, and the Normandy is the only ship with a reaper IFF.

[CroGamer002]

Akizora wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Marta Rio wrote...

I guess I should have specified "tech and info."

The Protheans seemed to know a fair amount about the Reapers, and learned even more about them while they were in the process of invading.  They just didn't know enough soon enough. 

There's a lot we don't know about the Protheans.  Heck we don't even know what exactly happened to the last few scientists.  Vigil says that they almost certainly died, but maybe they hid a treasure trove of info on the Citadel before that (or maybe there're even a few in stasis somwhere).  In that case having Liara along might not be a total waste of time.

And how would Protheans know anything about Reapers and even if they did they somehow kept that data?

They were destroyed just like any other race in Reaper's Cycle and only difference was surviving science team on Ilos.

They travelled the galaxy and planted beacons as warnings, there may be information planted somewhere by them.

With exception of one "Reapers are going to destroy you" I don't think we'll have other one. Also why we didn't get that in ME1 in first place then? And wouldn't Vigil tell you something more about Reapers?



Shut up ZULU.

[Almostfaceman]

Liara is based in a space-ship. What exactly is the problem with the situation being created where she must fly her spaceship along with the Normandy? It's totally plausible. It's also totally plausible that the big ship gets destroyed in combat at some point and Liara has to jump onto the Normandy and proceed from there.

[Marta Rio]

Mesina2 wrote...
And how would Protheans know anything about Reapers and even if they did they somehow kept that data?

They were destroyed just like any other race in Reaper's Cycle and only difference was surviving science team on Ilos.

It took the Reapers years to actually complete their "reaping".  The Protheans were observing them the whole time this was happening - watching their tactics, and probably trying desperately to come up with a solution to fight them.  It's conceivable that not all of that information was destroyed, since we have Ilos as proof that the Reapers did not find and destroy every last remaining record that the Protheans kept.

It's conceivable (to me at least), that there could be other data/tech caches out there.  Besides any data hidden somewhere on the Citadel by the last few Prothean scientists, it's possible that there are clues to fighting the Reapers on far flung systems elsewhere in the galaxy.  If the data was well hidden, it's quite possible that the Reapers missed it (especially since they seem somewhat incompetent anyway, at least during the events of ME1 and 2).

[CroGamer002]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Liara is based in a space-ship. What exactly is the problem with the situation being created where she must fly her spaceship along with the Normandy? It's totally plausible. It's also totally plausible that the big ship gets destroyed in combat at some point and Liara has to jump onto the Normandy and proceed from there.

Why would unstealthy ship that may not have guns follow stealthy warship and leave very safe location that nobody can't find it unless you know where to look at for no reason then just to paint big target on itself and get's destroyed?

[jojon2se]

I'm pretty sure the Shadow Broker base is tailored specifically to the environment we found it in and will not work elsewhere.

Modifié par jojon2se, 08 avril 2011 - 06:43 .

[Akizora]

jojon2se wrote...

I'm pretty sure the Shadow Broker base is tailored specifically the the environment we found it in and will not work elsewhere.

and it has been there for hundreds of years and seen who knows how many "changes in administration".

[Locutus_of_BORG]

Mesina2 wrote...

Locutus_of_BORG wrote...

Liara might be SB, but by no means does that mean she *needs* to stay on Hagalaz. Just like how Aria has her hands in everything in Omega, yet still does almost her own dirty work for some reason... Then again, Liara could just be an responsible/irresponsible SB, which fits her weirdness as a person.

There's a big difference between having contacts on just one space station and having 100s if not 1000s of contacts all over the galaxy.

True. But I'm also saying that Liara is kind of a weirdo and could just be out with Shep b/c she feels like it and/or is shirking her SB responsibilities.

Modifié par Locutus_of_BORG, 08 avril 2011 - 06:46 .

[CroGamer002]

Marta Rio wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...
And how would Protheans know anything about Reapers and even if they did they somehow kept that data?

They were destroyed just like any other race in Reaper's Cycle and only difference was surviving science team on Ilos.

It took the Reapers years to actually complete their "reaping".  The Protheans were observing them the whole time this was happening - watching their tactics, and probably trying desperately to come up with a solution to fight them.  It's conceivable that not all of that information was destroyed, since we have Ilos as proof that the Reapers did not find and destroy every last remaining record that the Protheans kept.

It's conceivable (to me at least), that there could be other data/tech caches out there.  Besides any data hidden somewhere on the Citadel by the last few Prothean scientists, it's possible that there are clues to fighting the Reapers on far flung systems elsewhere in the galaxy.  If the data was well hidden, it's quite possible that the Reapers missed it (especially since they seem somewhat incompetent anyway, at least during the events of ME1 and 2).

Problem.

Planets got isolated after Citadel fell to Reapers and they had no idea what happen until they got Reaped. Ilos was one of the lucky ones that received transmission and build all those sleeper pods OR they were bunch of fanatics( considered by other Protheans) that find out about Reapers and decided to build sleeper pods and try to survive and have 50 000 years to find they was to defeat Reapers( unfortunately only science team survived).

[Aelia]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

2. I can think of several different scenarios where Liara's coming onto the team can make sense. Suppose her intel network is destroyed by the Reapers?

Yes, let's build up the Liara-and-the-Shadow-Broker sideplot into the most awesome DLC in the series just so we can handwave it into oblivion at the start of the sequel!

...No.

Just, no.

Well, since LotSB is bridging DLC it makes sense that it was not created as a throwaway, but rather to further the plot of ME3.  I suspect BW had a good reason for installing her in this position and will have a good reason for modifying it.   My personal theory on this is akin to Akizora's only it won't be the reapers that threatens Liara's network... it will be Cerberus.  Seems to me that the SB's network would be something TIM would covet and feel was vital to further human supremacy (can't leave it in the hands of an alien).

Further, this would explain Cerberus' reversal with regard to Shep... since most likely even renegade Shep is going to come to Liara's rescue.  Since Cerberus knows where she is, Liara does indeed transfer her network to the Normandy giving Shep immediate access to a resource Shep wouldn't otherwise have.  From a storytelling perspective this has the additional benefit of being able to ligitimately provide Shep information from across the galaxy that Cerberus, the Aliance, the Council, etc. etc. alone would not have access to and/or would not be willing to provide Shep for various political reasons.  Shep would then be completely autonomous and free to act in the way she sees best.

As for Legion, I expect he will follow in the same mold as Wrex (which may also be Tali's fate) for dealing with the coordination of their various races.  Whether or not this will provide opportunities for them to be squaddies, I have no opinion at this point, but I could imagine it going either way.

-A