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[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

To be fair. It does not mention when Liara will be recruited (or if she is even a full-flegded squadmate), perhaps she acts as your quest-giver throughout most of the game. Then when you are nearing the end she joins the squad for the big finale.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

Akizora wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Kagura_Hakubi wrote...

How about this scenario?

The Normandy SR2 is destroyed! (gasp) and the entire crew has to relocate to Liara's Cool Spaceship instead!

Considering that article says Shepard is escaping to Normandy I don't think that will happen.

Also that ship isn't stealth and it is much slower so not very useful.


Also destroying Normandy again is a BIG NO.

Also considering we know that the reapers use the mass relays to their own advantage and prevent other species from using them, and the Normandy is the only ship with a reaper IFF.

Not only that, but iirc, the SB ship requires the power of Hagalaz's storms to power its flight.. so it's probably not space-worthy...


Regardless, Liara's pretty powerful as a squadmate, so I don't really mind having her back, even if her reason for being so ends up being whack.

Modifié par Locutus_of_BORG, 08 avril 2011 - 06:50 .

[Almostfaceman]

Mesina2 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Liara is based in a space-ship. What exactly is the problem with the situation being created where she must fly her spaceship along with the Normandy? It's totally plausible. It's also totally plausible that the big ship gets destroyed in combat at some point and Liara has to jump onto the Normandy and proceed from there.

Why would unstealthy ship that may not have guns follow stealthy warship and leave very safe location that nobody can't find it unless you know where to look at for no reason then just to paint big target on itself and get's destroyed?

#1 The Normandy on stealth missions simply leaves the other ship flying around a moon somewhere.
#2 The Shadowbroker needs stealth in a peacetime environment.  In the chaos of war with the Reapers, it is much less a problem since everyone's #1 priority is going to be "ZOMG! Reapers!" and not "Golly, just where is that Shadowbroker base at now?"
#3 Keeping the Shadowbroker base a moving target is by no means a bad strategy for keeping it hidden.
#4 It's a plausible plot line that a Reaper contingent or agents could discover the Shadowbroker ship location (there are already ties between the Collectors & the Shadowbroker) and that would mean the big ship has to change scenery.
#5 It isn't like the Normandy flies around all the time in stealth mode.  It can't - it has to discharge heat every 2 hours or so.  A big ship flying around with it in the vast emptiness of space is not a problem.
#6 The Normandy is more sophisticated than the Shadowbroker ship (it's old).  Putting a small section in the story where Liara transfers data from the Shadowbroker ship to the Normandy is entirely plausible.

Those are all just off the top of my head - I haven't been writing the story for years.

[Trandoshan]

We have very little information about how or in what manner she is returning and so you deem it impossible. Right.

[CroGamer002]

Aelia wrote...

Well, since LotSB is bridging DLC it makes sense that it was not created as a throwaway, but rather to further the plot of ME3.  I suspect BW had a good reason for installing her in this position and will have a good reason for modifying it.   My personal theory on this is akin to Akizora's only it won't be the reapers that threatens Liara's network... it will be Cerberus.  Seems to me that the SB's network would be something TIM would covet and feel was vital to further human supremacy (can't leave it in the hands of an alien).

Well SB can have other secret bases if ever got discovered. So Liara can go somewhere else to hide. Also considering that Illusive Man will be your enemy no matter the fate of CB, I think Shepard and Miranda will drop every contact with him and remove every bug on Normandy that EDI and maybe Liara know where they are so Sheaprd can go to that other secret location later on.

Further, this would explain Cerberus' reversal with regard to Shep... since most likely even renegade Shep is going to come to Liara's rescue.  Since Cerberus knows where she is, Liara does indeed transfer her network to the Normandy giving Shep immediate access to a resource Shep wouldn't otherwise have.  From a storytelling perspective this has the additional benefit of being able to ligitimately provide Shep information from across the galaxy that Cerberus, the Aliance, the Council, etc. etc. alone would not have access to and/or would not be willing to provide Shep for various political reasons.  Shep would then be completely autonomous and free to act in the way she sees best.

Still, you don't need Liara on Normandy for that. Shepard can just either contact Liara or go to her new secret base for that.

As for Legion, I expect he will follow in the same mold as Wrex (which may also be Tali's fate) for dealing with the coordination of their various races.  Whether or not this will provide opportunities for them to be squaddies, I have no opinion at this point, but I could imagine it going either way.

-A 

Unlike with Wrex, Legion doesn't need to co-ordinate Geth for the army. Legion is not some leader that will gather forces. Only purpose for that Legion can serve is to be mobile phone for Shepard to talk with True Geth.
Also Tali can be exiled and still be loyal and LI so no.
Also she is fan favorite so no way in hell that will happen.
Only reason why would Liara be squadmate is because her fans demand it.

Also Garrus is proof that squadmate will return even if they can die.

[Raphael diSanto]

Trandoshan wrote...

We have very little information about how or in what manner she is returning and so you deem it impossible. Right.

People just -love- to speculate and then get all wound up about the speculation.

BioWare writers, I am sure, are laughing at these boards on a daily basis.

[Aelia]

Mesina2 wrote...

Aelia wrote...

Well, since LotSB is bridging DLC it makes sense that it was not created as a throwaway, but rather to further the plot of ME3.  I suspect BW had a good reason for installing her in this position and will have a good reason for modifying it.   My personal theory on this is akin to Akizora's only it won't be the reapers that threatens Liara's network... it will be Cerberus.  Seems to me that the SB's network would be something TIM would covet and feel was vital to further human supremacy (can't leave it in the hands of an alien).

Well SB can have other secret bases if ever got discovered. So Liara can go somewhere else to hide. Also considering that Illusive Man will be your enemy no matter the fate of CB, I think Shepard and Miranda will drop every contact with him and remove every bug on Normandy that EDI and maybe Liara know where they are so Sheaprd can go to that other secret location later on.

Further, this would explain Cerberus' reversal with regard to Shep... since most likely even renegade Shep is going to come to Liara's rescue.  Since Cerberus knows where she is, Liara does indeed transfer her network to the Normandy giving Shep immediate access to a resource Shep wouldn't otherwise have.  From a storytelling perspective this has the additional benefit of being able to ligitimately provide Shep information from across the galaxy that Cerberus, the Aliance, the Council, etc. etc. alone would not have access to and/or would not be willing to provide Shep for various political reasons.  Shep would then be completely autonomous and free to act in the way she sees best.

Still, you don't need Liara on Normandy for that. Shepard can just either contact Liara or go to her new secret base for that.

As for Legion, I expect he will follow in the same mold as Wrex (which may also be Tali's fate) for dealing with the coordination of their various races.  Whether or not this will provide opportunities for them to be squaddies, I have no opinion at this point, but I could imagine it going either way.

-A 

Unlike with Wrex, Legion doesn't need to co-ordinate Geth for the army. Legion is not some leader that will gather forces. Only purpose for that Legion can serve is to be mobile phone for Shepard to talk with True Geth.
Also Tali can be exiled and still be loyal and LI so no.
Also she is fan favorite so no way in hell that will happen.
Only reason why would Liara be squadmate is because her fans demand it.

Also Garrus is proof that squadmate will return even if they can die.

Mesina, ANY theory ANYONE puts forward (including BW's official one come ME3 release) can have holes punched in it.  The bottom line is we have NO REAL information at this point and everything is just speculation... every argument you have put forward as a counter to an alternate theory has been based on your own personal suppositions rather than hard facts.  It maybe misplaced, but I have faith that BW has designated LotSB as a bridge for a reason so that if Liara is used as a squaddie it will make sense.

[CroGamer002]

Almostfaceman wrote...

#1 The Normandy on stealth missions simply leaves the other ship flying around a moon somewhere.
#2 The Shadowbroker needs stealth in a peacetime environment.  In the chaos of war with the Reapers, it is much less a problem since everyone's #1 priority is going to be "ZOMG! Reapers!" and not "Golly, just where is that Shadowbroker base at now?"
#3 Keeping the Shadowbroker base a moving target is by no means a bad strategy for keeping it hidden.
#4 It's a plausible plot line that a Reaper contingent or agents could discover the Shadowbroker ship location (there are already ties between the Collectors & the Shadowbroker) and that would mean the big ship has to change scenery.
#5 It isn't like the Normandy flies around all the time in stealth mode.  It can't - it has to discharge heat every 2 hours or so.  A big ship flying around with it in the vast emptiness of space is not a problem.
#6 The Normandy is more sophisticated than the Shadowbroker ship (it's old).  Putting a small section in the story where Liara transfers data from the Shadowbroker ship to the Normandy is entirely plausible.

Those are all just off the top of my head - I haven't been writing the story for years.

#1 And why would that ship still follow Normandy at all?
#2 A) Big target for Reaper ambushed
Ah yes "Reapers"...
C) Pirates will be stupid enough to attack
#3 It's already well hidden and going all over the place is very risky.
#4 Maybe, but very unlikely since indoctrinated people kinda stand out and just because Collectors and SB had business, it doesn't mean then know where is SB. He never sent anyone on some mission who knows his location.
#5 Again, no need to have that ship to follow us around.
#6 Normandy is a warship, not communication hub. Besides in LotSB that ship looks to be in good shape.

[CroGamer002]

Aelia wrote...

Mesina, ANY theory ANYONE puts forward (including BW's official one come ME3 release) can have holes punched in it.  The bottom line is we have NO REAL information at this point and everything is just speculation... every argument you have put forward as a counter to an alternate theory has been based on your own personal suppositions rather than hard facts.  It maybe misplaced, but I have faith that BW has designated LotSB as a bridge for a reason so that if Liara is used as a squaddie it will make sense.

Difference is that they set up Liara to be SB and now all of the sudden she becomes random soldier on your side?
No point of LotSB plot then.

[Aelia]

Mesina2 wrote...

Aelia wrote...

Mesina, ANY theory ANYONE puts forward (including BW's official one come ME3 release) can have holes punched in it.  The bottom line is we have NO REAL information at this point and everything is just speculation... every argument you have put forward as a counter to an alternate theory has been based on your own personal suppositions rather than hard facts.  It maybe misplaced, but I have faith that BW has designated LotSB as a bridge for a reason so that if Liara is used as a squaddie it will make sense.

Difference is that they set up Liara to be SB and now all of the sudden she becomes random soldier on your side?
No point of LotSB plot then.

You don't know that.  Again with the supposition.

[CroGamer002]

Aelia wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Aelia wrote...

Mesina, ANY theory ANYONE puts forward (including BW's official one come ME3 release) can have holes punched in it.  The bottom line is we have NO REAL information at this point and everything is just speculation... every argument you have put forward as a counter to an alternate theory has been based on your own personal suppositions rather than hard facts.  It maybe misplaced, but I have faith that BW has designated LotSB as a bridge for a reason so that if Liara is used as a squaddie it will make sense.

Difference is that they set up Liara to be SB and now all of the sudden she becomes random soldier on your side?
No point of LotSB plot then.

You don't know that.  Again with the supposition.

Did you played LotSB?

If you did please replay it and tell me again I only ASSUMED "Liara is SB" set up.

[Bourne Endeavor]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

"Not on squad" =/= "one-minute cameo." Take a chill pill, brah. I will, however, admit that the Liara thing is dumb, but who knows? She might just be temping.

Frankly, I'm more pissed about Ashley's new character design; she looks too much like Miranda. I miss the bun. And the armor. And the pink. (And yeah, I know, just concept art, subject to change, blah blah blah.)

Shh, quiet with your blasphemy. Long hair let down is definitely a better look.

[Aelia]

Mesina2 wrote...

Aelia wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Aelia wrote...

Mesina, ANY theory ANYONE puts forward (including BW's official one come ME3 release) can have holes punched in it.  The bottom line is we have NO REAL information at this point and everything is just speculation... every argument you have put forward as a counter to an alternate theory has been based on your own personal suppositions rather than hard facts.  It maybe misplaced, but I have faith that BW has designated LotSB as a bridge for a reason so that if Liara is used as a squaddie it will make sense.

Difference is that they set up Liara to be SB and now all of the sudden she becomes random soldier on your side?
No point of LotSB plot then.

You don't know that.  Again with the supposition.

Did you played LotSB?

If you did please replay it and tell me again I only ASSUMED "Liara is SB" set up.

LOL... that wasn't the assumption I was referring too... you are ASSUMING "she becomes random soldier on your side"

[CroGamer002]

Aelia wrote...

LOL... that wasn't the assumption I was referring too... you are ASSUMING "she becomes random soldier on your side"

Then my mistake.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

^How is that an assumption? She's a squadmate in ME3, meaning she's gonna be a soldier on Shep's side.

Modifié par Locutus_of_BORG, 08 avril 2011 - 07:20 .

[Almostfaceman]

Aelia wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Aelia wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Aelia wrote...

Mesina, ANY theory ANYONE puts forward (including BW's official one come ME3 release) can have holes punched in it.  The bottom line is we have NO REAL information at this point and everything is just speculation... every argument you have put forward as a counter to an alternate theory has been based on your own personal suppositions rather than hard facts.  It maybe misplaced, but I have faith that BW has designated LotSB as a bridge for a reason so that if Liara is used as a squaddie it will make sense.

Difference is that they set up Liara to be SB and now all of the sudden she becomes random soldier on your side?
No point of LotSB plot then.

You don't know that.  Again with the supposition.

Did you played LotSB?

If you did please replay it and tell me again I only ASSUMED "Liara is SB" set up.

LOL... that wasn't the assumption I was referring too... you are ASSUMING "she becomes random soldier on your side"

There are a lot of assumptions being made, considering the OP will not even wait to see how the ME3 story plays out.

[PlumPaul93]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

"Not on squad" =/= "one-minute cameo." Take a chill pill, brah. I will, however, admit that the Liara thing is dumb, but who knows? She might just be temping.

Frankly, I'm more pissed about Ashley's new character design; she looks too much like Miranda. I miss the bun. And the armor. And the pink. (And yeah, I know, just concept art, subject to change, blah blah blah.)

Shh, quiet with your blasphemy. Long hair let down is definitely a better look.

Yes, yes it is

[Kingthlayer]

It didn't say that Mordin and LEgion weren't confirmed squad mates just that they don't know. I would be ticked if any of my surviving ME2 squad weren't with me in ME3.

And even though Liara is quite popular, hell she's my favourite character, her being a full time squad mistake is a bad move and blatant fan service. She's the Shadow Broker she should not be risking her life running around with Shepard. She should be using her information to help and not her biotics.

I kind of hope game informer is a week slow with some of the **** they said.

[Aelia]

Locutus_of_BORG wrote...

^How is that an assumption? She's a squadmate in ME3

It's an assumption that she is a RANDOM squad mate... several viable theories have been proposed as to why she WILL be a squad mate in ME3

[Chewin]

It feels almost like BW would try to have "the-same-squad-experince-that-you-had-in-ME1". I mean Ash/Kaidan, Garrus and Liara on the same ship again? I can see the dialog between them:

"Just like old times"

(If they add Tali, then say hello to ME1)

I don't know whether it's a good thing or a bad...

[Aelia]

Big Mac Heart Attack wrote...
And even though Liara is quite popular, hell she's my favourite character, her being a full time squad mistake is a bad move and blatant fan service. She's the Shadow Broker she should not be risking her life running around with Shepard. She should be using her information to help and not her biotics.

This presumes that BW's story line for ME3 doesn't force her into accompanying Shep.

[Asch Lavigne]

I'm not surprised to get the ME1 squadmates back. Given how everybody wanted them in ME2 and all the whining from the Kaidan/Ash fan club. Besides, the article says the ending is dependent upon who you recruit so maybe they're all optional.

I will definitley take Liaram, Garrus, Jack and Wrex if they are availabke. Hopefully chosing one doesn't lock you out of the choisng someone else. That wouldn't surprise me but it would suck. I am glad to have Garrus back after going through two games with him already.

Modifié par Asch Lavigne, 08 avril 2011 - 07:27 .

[CroGamer002]

Almostfaceman wrote...

There are a lot of assumptions being made, considering the OP will not even wait to see how the ME3 story plays out.

I'm find Liara, Legion and Mordin info from this magazines problematic, considering that Liara is SB so it doesn't make sense to be squadmate entire ME3 and for both Legion and Mordin to leave since Garrus is confirmed to be squadmate even though he can die.

[Xeranx]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

"Not on squad" =/= "one-minute cameo." Take a chill pill, brah. I will, however, admit that the Liara thing is dumb, but who knows? She might just be temping.

Frankly, I'm more pissed about Ashley's new character design; she looks too much like Miranda. I miss the bun. And the armor. And the pink. (And yeah, I know, just concept art, subject to change, blah blah blah.)

Where did you see Ashley's new character design?

[CannotCompute]

Wow Mesina you seem really pissed off.

Anyway, the article says those people will be availabe 'to some extent'. I think Liara f.e. will not be available for a big part of the game, because she is the new SB.

Maybe at a certain part of the game, the base goes boom and she will join you again. Or new info is just not needed anymore.