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Huge problem with ME3 confirmed squadmates( ME3 and LotSB spoilers)


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#101
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KainrycKarr wrote...

Zulmoka531 wrote...

Hey, if I get the entire original crew, including Tali, I've got no complaints.


Considering Legion and Mordin got the boot(two super-popular characters) I'm not gettin my hopes up on Tali tbh.


ARGH YOU PEOPLE THEY ARE NOT CONFIRMED AS NEVER PLAYABLE, THEY WERE JUST NOT PLAYABLE IN THE SPECIFIC DEMO ITSELF, THOUGH THEY DID APPEAR.

Sorry, sorry. I should just make a rubberstamp that says "confirmed playable at some point," and "confirmed appearing, not sure if playable" and use that in every forum.

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#102
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Mesina2 wrote...

Kronner wrote...

It makes sense to me.
She is not only Shadow Broker, but also a powerful biotic and possible LI.
Legion can be killed or sold, and is not LI. So it makes sense he is not a squadmate in ME3.


Hey look, Garrus can be killed aswell.

He returns.

Argument killed.

Also I have Jack and Samara on my team and they are more powerful Biotics( plot wise not game mechanic)


Garrus = LI for femShep
Legion = no LI

Argument alive.

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Shatterhand1701 wrote...

Aelia wrote...

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The beginning of the end. It has begun.

No but really now, I understand we're all diehard BioWare fans but is the raging and anger already flaming up? So far I've read how people hate Ashley's nose and long hair. Now its the whole WHY ISN'T X IN ME3. Please, give it a while. You cannot expect every single squaddie from ME2 to appear in your team but perhaps BioWare have something planned for these other characters?

We'll get an explanation eventually but to rage an- *clears throat* 'speculate' at this moment is a bit.. early imo. Then again my opinion hasn't mattered much to anyone lol, whatever.

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Although, I don't mind speculation about how the new info we have will play out.  I only find when people start screaming "plot hole / problem / that doesn't make sense" (pick your poison) when the game hasn't even been released yet.


I respectfully disagree with that.

Without a logical, cohesive story to back it all up, the Mass Effect games are just glorified 3rd-person shooters.  BioWare's writers created an amazing "universe", as it were, that has captivated ME1 and ME2's players, SO MUCH SO that when there's a plot point that is glaringly out of place or completely illogical, they're quick to draw attention to it.

Liara is an important character in the ME 'verse, and she becomes even moreso after LotSB.  She basically becomes the most powerful person in the galaxy (other than Shepard, of course).  So now the possibility exists that she'd leave that behind to stand beside Shepard in the final battle?  Doesn't that seem like the least intelligent thing to do, considering her new position?  Her position as the Shadow Broker is far more valuable, as she can ensure that the avenues of information traffic remain open even as the galaxy breaks out into total warfare.  Handing that to anyone else or outright abandoning it makes all her work to get to where she ends up at LotSB's coda completely pointless.

I'm reposting this response from earlier in the thread b/c it does not appear that you read my earlier post that address this specific issue.  Their are infinite possibilities that would make sense as to why Liara would be available as a squad mate.  We won't know if BW has done what you're accusing them of until ME3 actually releases:

Well, since LotSB is bridging DLC it makes sense that it was not created as a throwaway, but rather to further the plot of ME3.  I suspect BW had a good reason for installing her in this position and will have a good reason for modifying it.   My personal theory on this is akin to Akizora's only it won't be the reapers that threatens Liara's network... it will be Cerberus.  Seems to me that the SB's network would be something TIM would covet and feel was vital to further human supremacy (can't leave it in the hands of an alien).

Further, this would explain Cerberus' reversal with regard to Shep... since most likely even renegade Shep is going to come to Liara's rescue.  Since Cerberus knows where she is, Liara does indeed transfer her network to the Normandy giving Shep immediate access to a resource Shep wouldn't otherwise have.  From a storytelling perspective this has the additional benefit of being able to ligitimately provide Shep information from across the galaxy that Cerberus, the Aliance, the Council, etc. etc. alone would not have access to and/or would not be willing to provide Shep for various political reasons.  Shep would then be completely autonomous and free to act in the way she sees best.

As for Legion, I expect he will follow in the same mold as Wrex (which may also be Tali's fate) for dealing with the coordination of their various races.  Whether or not this will provide opportunities for them to be squaddies, I have no opinion at this point, but I could imagine it going either way.

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Maybe she has a SB iPad that she keeps on the Normandy. I'm more curious as to what her "calibrations" line will be.

"Shepard, it's good to see you again."

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Makes all the sense to me. Then again, I'm uberbiased Liara fan <3.

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Haven't they just been confirmed as in there? Not necessarily not squadmates.

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Marta Rio wrote...

"Bioware, you got some 'splaining to do"

Calm thyself, Mesina.  It'll be ok.

I agree I don't understand (at this point) why Liara would step down as the SB, although I suspect that she'll leave someone she trusts (Feron) in charge.  Also, the plot may relate to some of the prothean tech that was left behind, in which case having a prothean expert along certainly wouldn't hurt.



We really don't know that she HAS stepped down as the Shadow Broker. For all we know, she could be on the Normandy and somehow retain an uplink to the Shadow Broker Base so she could run the business.

But I do agree it seems a little fishy, yeah. 

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I didn't read the whole thread, but presumably Wrex, Mordin and Legion are no longer squad mates because they represent the species Shepard has to unite against the Reapers? :P Just a thought.

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If Liara is Shep's love interest, then I could understand her stepping down, but if she's not, why would she leave her role as Shadow Broker. I'm glad Ash is coming back, her spunk to the team was great in ME, Garrus coming back is even better, but I hope he got plastic surgery to fix his face. His face looks terrible, and I have OCD, have his face symmetrical. Liara coming back is great, all time favorite character.
Downfall is not having Wrex, total powerhouse should return for one last time, not sit on the shelf. Everyone loves Mordin, I really didn't like or hate him, so I don't really mind that he's not part of the team. And Anderson, he sould at least come back to the ship, for he was nice enough to give the first one away.

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Jzadek72 wrote...

Haven't they just been confirmed as in there? Not necessarily not squadmates.


The exact confirmation is this: 
Kaidan/Ash, Liara, and Garrus playable to some extent.

Mordin, Wrex, and Legion appear, squad or not status is unknown. 

Everyone else is unconfirmed either way. Edit: I may be missing a name or two in the "appearing but status unknown" list, but this is the general drift. Also, there is a new charater James Sanders who will be playable, but no info on who he is or what he's about.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 08 avril 2011 - 11:37 .


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Taking aside this whole subject... did anyone noticed sudden appearance of more and more "leaks" about ME 3 despite fact that "release" date is set up at fall 2011?

Something tells me (BUT i hope i am dead wrong) that we will see ME 3 much sooner than anyone here expect...

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Makes sense to me.

Liara is at Shep's trial at the beginning of the game (her being SB is a secret so she can appear as a character witness without the Alliance getting supicious) Reapers attack, Liara joins Shepard for the first missions trying to escape.

Once you get back to Normandy you need to take her back to her base, where she goes back to her duties and feeds you info.

Much later on in the game, she rejoins, either because the Reapers take out her network and you need to save her, or just because its the big final battle, where the galaxy is fighting and she wants to be of use so she rejoins the squad. In something like that, info isn't really helpful then, you either fight or you don't.

As for Mordin and Legion, assuming GI's demo ended with Shep returning to Normandy, that would imply they were on the ship waiting. So they could be squadmates. Just not immediately at the start of the game. Although I personally believe Mordin will be lab only, and not a squadmate this time.

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Zepp95 wrote...

I didn't read the whole thread, but presumably Wrex, Mordin and Legion are no longer squad mates because they represent the species Shepard has to unite against the Reapers? :P Just a thought.

lol where do people get this representative stuff, the Geth have no need for representatives and the Salarians have diplomats, so why would the put political power in the hands of an STG agent? Wrex is the only one makes sense because he is already in a position of power, he's already leading an alliance of clans.

And TC you need to relax, it was said that these characters are confirmed to appear, just NOT YET confirmed on whether or not they will return as squad members. When it comes to Liara, it is questionable, but with no information, its pointless to jump down their throat about something you know nothing about. Like someone said, she could be a temporaray squad member at the beginning, then go back to her base and serve as a secure means of information and communication.

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Yeah Mesina, I'm with you.

Legion squadmate, Liara Shadow Broker, still LI>>>>>>>>Liara squadmate, Legion cameo.

It makes no sense until further exposition and reduces Liara's character.

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I bet Liara replaces Kelly.

I also bet part of the reason she's back is a Virmire type situation.(pull some strings)

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Gentleman Moogle wrote...

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Hehe, this thread makes me smile. :D  I have a feeling I'll be doing a lot of that as more info is released.  Keep the link to that pic handy, you're going to need it.

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Legion leaving to represent the geth is silly.

Because he can do that on the Normandy, since he is the geth

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Nozybidaj wrote...

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

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Hehe, this thread makes me smile. :D  I have a feeling I'll be doing a lot of that as more info is released.  Keep the link to that pic handy, you're going to need it.


This, 100 times this. 

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Bamboozalist wrote...

@ OP: They're not confirmed as squadmates only that they're playable for a bit. Neither are the others confirmed to NOT be squadmates for all we know.

Game Start:

Shepard on Trial
Reapers Attack
VS and Liara show up and help Shepard get back to the Normandy acting as temporary squadmates (article says they're playable not permanent squadmates I don't know why everyone is making this jump)
Get back to the Normandy, sudden surprise reveal, BAM there is your team.


God, I pray you are right! Because if any ME2 squaddies is replaces with that stupid **** called Ash, I'm not sure if I want to play the game anymore. I don't care of how BW is going to rehabilitate her for Horizon. I'm not forgiving type. I can accept her as addition to the crew, but not as a replacement of someone I actually like(and even Jacob is better than her in my books)... 

And I prefer Liara to be full-time Shadow Broker, as I find her abilities as squadmate pretty useless. I almost never took her on a missions in ME1 (aside Noverria, because I wanted additional dialogs with Benezia), and I wish I had her as NPC during fights in LotSB. I just don't like her abilities. So, I don't want to have a squaddie I will never use. And as SB she is pure perfection - lots of intel, resources etc from the person I can rely onto! She just need to have more dialogs on her ship:)

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Babe Mause wrote...
 So, I don't want to have a squaddie I will never use.


I had 10 of 'em in ME2 I didn't want to use.  You'll get over it.

Or maybe not, as obviously I haven't. :pinched:  Well, good luck with that anyway........

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Wow... People are really getting strung out. Remember what chris said... "nothing is 100% until we ship."
Man... People are babies. Rainy face much :(

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Buddy, we don't have any info on the story yet besides this...a tad bit early to start freaking out.

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Zepp95 wrote...

I didn't read the whole thread, but presumably Wrex, Mordin and Legion are no longer squad mates because they represent the species Shepard has to unite against the Reapers? :P Just a thought.



For Wrex I can understand since he's a king in ME2.

Hell if he was like Liara a squadmate I would object with him too.



But Mordin and Legion with same roll?


Mordin doesn't have any political or military power, he's just former STG member.
People may respect him and listen to him but to co-ordinate Saliarian forces?


And for the Legion there's no need. Geth can co-ordinate themself since they are sentient/sapient A.I.'s and only thing that Legion can help with is to be mobile phone for Shepard to communicate with Geth.

For the rest, Legion is still much more useful for combat right besides Shepard.

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AquamanOS wrote...

Makes sense to me.

Liara is at Shep's trial at the beginning of the game (her being SB is a secret so she can appear as a character witness without the Alliance getting supicious) Reapers attack, Liara joins Shepard for the first missions trying to escape.

Once you get back to Normandy you need to take her back to her base, where she goes back to her duties and feeds you info.

Much later on in the game, she rejoins, either because the Reapers take out her network and you need to save her, or just because its the big final battle, where the galaxy is fighting and she wants to be of use so she rejoins the squad. In something like that, info isn't really helpful then, you either fight or you don't.

As for Mordin and Legion, assuming GI's demo ended with Shep returning to Normandy, that would imply they were on the ship waiting. So they could be squadmates. Just not immediately at the start of the game. Although I personally believe Mordin will be lab only, and not a squadmate this time.


I hope you're right on that one.