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[maddog48]

Yhrnur wrote...

@maddog48: Good to see somebody that shares my views. And types quicker

You say views, I say unfiltered geek rage.  

[Shadow Wing]

Yhrnur wrote...

Shadow Wing wrote...

Yhrnur wrote...

maddog48 wrote...

So PS3 users get the patch last, our transfers from DAO, it's DLC, and Awakening are still buggy, the Isabella/Sebastion problem will still exist - but I can go back to Act 1 since I got Isabella's trust early in Act 2, so I lose only 20 hours versus 40 - and there is no apology or recoup for all the loyal fans that pre-ordered, got the BIOWARE SIGNATURE edition, or bought the game early. But hey, at least we get this patch that does a decent job on minor - but many - bugs. It's not the fact that this patch took about a month, that it doesn't really take care of major issues, or that there are apparently so many bugs to fix that ticks me off. No it's the fact it affects the most loyal fans who pre-orderd or spent more money to get the signature edition or both more so than say Mr. I read a great review and saw that this game sold about 2 million copies in one month (thanks to the loyal fans of Bioware and the DA series) so I'll go buy it next month. Because by then, you'll have it fixed. Good job on releasing a buggy game that mostly affected your most loyal group of fans and released a patch that only kinda works a month after reports started coming in on major bug issues that said patch won't fix.

Hey Testoterohne, how long have we been waiting for that patch that will fix the Isabela/Sebastion bugged saves again?

I totally agree with you here. It's a disgrace that Bioware has decided to treat some of their most loyal customers as dirt. Instead of delaying the patch a week or two to get all currently known game breaking bugs out of the way they have chosen to only fix the issues that affect new players.

This is of course a very concious choise. Bioware is very much aware of all the overhead associated with every patch, both internal release management and the fact that Sony takes at least a couple of weeks to certify a patch. But they still decided against letting everybody wait a a a week or two extra and decided to let the loyal losers who bought the game straigt away (I also have the signature edition) to wait for an extra month or two. I haven't seen many appologies either...

Unless Bioware comes up with some serious compensation (I'm not talking a free "Return to Ostagar" sized DLC here) this is definitely my last Bioware game.

I don't see the problem here...either way you're gonna have to wait a couple of weeks to fix the other problems..but since they already have other fixes for the other problems then might as well upload them while they find a way to fix the other problems...either way, you won't get the fix now, but at least other people who won't use old saves can play...your problem is if you can't play it yet (with your old saves since you can play with one of the pre-rendered characters) then you don't want others to be able to play it.

Well, my problem is that it is not just a matter of "uploading fixes for the other problems". Everytime you release software there is a lot of overhead (release management, packaging, testing, distributing, certification, etc.), some of which is not related to the size of the release. By breaking the fix into two (or more) the total time will be longer. Bioware could also have focused on fixing the game breakers instead of fixing 100+ annoyances. It's all a matter of priorities.

I wrote most of this in my previous post so read the post and understand it before you flame me. If you don't understand then a polite question could solve that. My problem, is not that somebody might actually be able to play the game before me, my problem is that Bioware has actively chosen to delay the patch for loyal player who bought the game straight away to get it out quicker for new gamers.

First, I didn't flame you, I just said that I don't see the problem because from what I see and from you what you said, it would take them a few more weeks anyway to "fix the problem" so IF they could "fix" other problem which would allow others to play now...then why not? And yes you explain that it would be then require a longer time to release the next patch but then at the very least the game would be playable considering the state it is in now. And just so you know I pre-ordered the special edition myself and are having the problems as well, but for me, I just want to be able to play the game now even if it means I won't be able to import my old character.   

[Shadow Wing]

maddog48 wrote...

Shadow Wing wrote...

Yhrnur wrote...

maddog48 wrote...

So PS3 users get the patch last, our transfers from DAO, it's DLC, and Awakening are still buggy, the Isabella/Sebastion problem will still exist - but I can go back to Act 1 since I got Isabella's trust early in Act 2, so I lose only 20 hours versus 40 - and there is no apology or recoup for all the loyal fans that pre-ordered, got the BIOWARE SIGNATURE edition, or bought the game early. But hey, at least we get this patch that does a decent job on minor - but many - bugs. It's not the fact that this patch took about a month, that it doesn't really take care of major issues, or that there are apparently so many bugs to fix that ticks me off. No it's the fact it affects the most loyal fans who pre-orderd or spent more money to get the signature edition or both more so than say Mr. I read a great review and saw that this game sold about 2 million copies in one month (thanks to the loyal fans of Bioware and the DA series) so I'll go buy it next month. Because by then, you'll have it fixed. Good job on releasing a buggy game that mostly affected your most loyal group of fans and released a patch that only kinda works a month after reports started coming in on major bug issues that said patch won't fix.

Hey Testoterohne, how long have we been waiting for that patch that will fix the Isabela/Sebastion bugged saves again?

I totally agree with you here. It's a disgrace that Bioware has decided to treat some of their most loyal customers as dirt. Instead of delaying the patch a week or two to get all currently known game breaking bugs out of the way they have chosen to only fix the issues that affect new players.

This is of course a very concious choise. Bioware is very much aware of all the overhead associated with every patch, both internal release management and the fact that Sony takes at least a couple of weeks to certify a patch. But they still decided against letting everybody wait a a a week or two extra and decided to let the loyal losers who bought the game straigt away (I also have the signature edition) to wait for an extra month or two. I haven't seen many appologies either...

Unless Bioware comes up with some serious compensation (I'm not talking a free "Return to Ostagar" sized DLC here) this is definitely my last Bioware game.

I don't see the problem here...either way you're gonna have to wait a couple of weeks to fix the other problems..but since they already have other fixes for the other problems then might as well upload them while they find a way to fix the other problems...either way, you won't get the fix now, but at least other people who won't use old saves can play...your problem is if you can't play it yet (with your old saves since you can play with one of the pre-rendered characters) then you don't want others to be able to play it.

If you read my post, please point out to the part where I clearly state I want no one else to the play or enjoy the game.  I just wanted to make a point that those of us who purchased the game early are getting the worst deal when we should be rewarded for showing faith and trust by buying the game early or buying the special edition or both.  That reward is nothing special, all we wanted was a game that didn't have bugs that caused the game to virtually be unbearable to play, or force us to completely change or set-up/load outs of our character just to make him/her somewhat useful in the game.   If a game comes out this buggy, the company did not do enough testing or double checking their work.  Further more, they are dragging their feet when it comes to this patch.  If you check the posts or the topic Testoterohne and I have been referencing, you'll see what our 'problem' is.

I have no problem with other users being saved from bugs that us early birds are experiencing.  What I do have a problem with is that bioware has been getting feedback on certain game-breaking bugs that they are not yet fixing for users who shelled out extra cash or bought the game early.  Typically the people who buy the special editions or pre-order tend to be people who have played the previous game in that serious or is a fan of the company (in this case Bioware/EA) from another series and expects another decent game w/out any game-breaking bugs.  In other words, we are fans who've shown loyalty and faith by spending our hard earned money to make sure that said game and company are a success beacause we believe the game will be worth the extra squeeze.  These said fans tend to be a loyal and trusting bunch and to have a game released that has so much potential, but even more problems here; well, to me at least, it seems that my faith was misplaced and I'm being punished for my loyalty by pre-ordering and buying the special edition, when I could have not bought the Special edition, not pre-ordered, not spend a good chunk of my time off, and would have benefited more so by simply waiting for this game to drop into the discount box.  

 As for a future fix, there is no guarantee that they will provide a fix for said game-breaking bugs for the saves already affected by the bug.  In my case, and many others if you read this forum, that means going back to Act 1 if they still have those saves as the game limits how many saves you can make.  Which means I have to replay a good chunk if not all of the game to get the full joy out of the game and let's face it, a lot of people want to play the whole game through before restarting it.  I know I do since I want to see the consequesnces of my current set of choices and then see how it things turn out in my next playthrough by doing another set or slight change to my choices for a new character.  

But that's just me and apparently a lot of others on this forum, otherwise their wouldn't be so many topics or posts on this site.  Not to mention the fact that the only reason bioware is successful is due to us loyal consumers.  If it weren't for us, the game wouldn't gain any buzz on it from the media or word of mouth; magazines and review web sites wouldn't cover it as much as say another game that had much more attention drawn to it due to pre-order sales or fans posting on forums, and then their profits would be seriously hurting. If the company's main profit came from those that come across the game later who haven't heard of the review via the media or word of mouth would buy it when the price goes down or decide to rent/borrow it, why would the Dragon Age site push so hard for pre-sales, special edition, or publish the release date? Bioware was one of those few companies that really listened to it's users by checking up on our feedback and adjusting it in the next patch or game.  At least I believed that till now.  So far, no apology, no patch, and no recourse for us early birds, special edition owners, or both.  If they want us to stay faithful, they might want to get back to that idea. 

Sorry for the long post, I have very little free time, and I tend to find I'm using it up on this forum rather than the game... Well you all see my 'lil' rant here  

I wasn't responding to you, I was responding to Yhrnur comments especially this part: "It's a disgrace that Bioware has decided to treat some of their most
loyal customers as dirt. Instead of delaying the patch a week or two to
get all currently known game breaking bugs out of the way they have
chosen to only fix the issues that affect new players". From what I'm reading, he would rather have the patch delayed because the current patch would only allow players to play the pre-rendered backstory instead of your own characters which would be most likely new players hence my statement that he just doesn't want others to enjoy the game while he fully can't...while I understand the sentiment as someone who had pre-ordered the speical edition as well and is suffering these problems, my opinion is that they released that patch now so that at least the game is playable even if it means not fully solving all the problems. And yes I understand that it would then require a longer time to release the "fix" to solve all the other problems but at least the game is playable.

[Yhrnur]

Shadow Wing wrote...

Yhrnur wrote...

Shadow Wing wrote...

I don't see the problem here...either way you're gonna have to wait a couple of weeks to fix the other problems..but since they already have other fixes for the other problems then might as well upload them while they find a way to fix the other problems...either way, you won't get the fix now, but at least other people who won't use old saves can play...your problem is if you can't play it yet (with your old saves since you can play with one of the pre-rendered characters) then you don't want others to be able to play it.

Well, my problem is that it is not just a matter of "uploading fixes for the other problems". Everytime you release software there is a lot of overhead (release management, packaging, testing, distributing, certification, etc.), some of which is not related to the size of the release. By breaking the fix into two (or more) the total time will be longer. Bioware could also have focused on fixing the game breakers instead of fixing 100+ annoyances. It's all a matter of priorities.

I wrote most of this in my previous post so read the post and understand it before you flame me. If you don't understand then a polite question could solve that. My problem, is not that somebody might actually be able to play the game before me, my problem is that Bioware has actively chosen to delay the patch for loyal player who bought the game straight away to get it out quicker for new gamers.

First, I didn't flame you, I just said that I don't see the problem because from what I see and from you what you said, it would take them a few more weeks anyway to "fix the problem" so IF they could "fix" other problem which would allow others to play now...then why not? And yes you explain that it would be then require a longer time to release the next patch but then at the very least the game would be playable considering the state it is in now. And just so you know I pre-ordered the special edition myself and are having the problems as well, but for me, I just want to be able to play the game now even if it means I won't be able to import my old character.   

Well , telling me that I just don't want others to enjoy the game until I can is flaming in my book. And I have never mentioned not being able to import my old saves properly (even though that doesn't work well either it doesn't completely break the game). My *current* saves are completely unplayable because my character moves in slooooooooow moting during battle, i.e. the Isabela slow down bug and that will not change the least bit with the patch. That said, if the patch makes the game enjoyable for you then that's good. Have a nice playthrough. Have two. With a cherry on top.

I'm done squabbling over this. My beef is with Bioware.

Modifié par Yhrnur, 16 avril 2011 - 07:18 .

[Hawke123]

Just come on again after about a week and still nothings happened.

I cannot believe I have had to pay £40 for a game which is still unplayable after a month of waiting for a patch. Not going to even bother purchasing another BioWare game.

[Solaria]

My exams are coming up.So I have no time to play between college,a job and studying.

I won't be able to play until the middle of july as i'm also going to be away visiting family in Canada after my exams finish.Hopefully when I get back home the second patch will be available.

[Zinou]

I just need this patch, so i can start my new playthrough, also please fix the online profile characters + might of the sten icon and material + Aveline's armor slot icon in act 1.

[Azul7]

Hawke123 wrote...

Just come on again after about a week and still nothings happened.

I cannot believe I have had to pay £40 for a game which is still unplayable after a month of waiting for a patch. Not going to even bother purchasing another BioWare game.

I paid full price, this was playable to a certain extent, but not buy anymore is a little too far I'll go with the waiting for a few months after release for patches since I don't expect them to do resolving glitches/bugs in future games before going gold

[Kail Ashton]

Ihm wrote...

I miss the old days on like the PS2 when games couldn't get patched, so they actually got tested... ahh those were the days. Being able to patch games have made dev teams lazy.

that's japanese programming, western programming is notoriously sloppy even before last gen, most current gen japanese games still work perfectly out of the box (unfortunetly they've also gotten too stagnant, uninspired and ugh enough metrosexual trannies!)

On that note bioware:  fix this in the next patch with the other import save issues, i had a city elf () romance alistair and none these lines ever came up

[Testosterohne]

Riddle me this, Riddle me that.
When is a patch not a patch?

[Robtachi]

When it doesn't fix a ton of the problems that people are having in the first place?

[gambit-001]

I just would like to see the attack speed bug made retroactive ASAP, even if they send a patch to cert for just that one thing.

[silver-crescent]

Well, the 360 patch is out. Now it's in Sony's hands I think.

[prazision]

If Sony "always" takes "weeks" to certify patches, riddle me this: Why was the Fallout: New Vegas patch available within a week of its release, for both consoles?

It's absolutely ridiculous to be angry at Sony because BioWareEA released a game that can probably be legitimately called the most seriously bugged game of this generation. And do you know why they didn't just announce a delay and fix the problems before release? Look at the sales numbers. DA2 sold a massive amount on release day. Sales have been dropping like a rock ever since. If they had delayed it, at least in EA's mind, that would have caused angry consumers not to buy it on release day or cancel their pre-order.

It's all about the Benjamins, y'all.

[Casper]

The answer Prazi is: The fallout new vegas patch did not fix anything, that is why it was available within weeks.

[prazision]

Your post is both factually untrue and not a serious answer to my question at all. Reported for trolling.

[Rob Bartel]

Good news, everyone. We've heard back from both the European and North American offices of Sony. They've given PS3 Title Update 1.01 the green light and expect it to go live on their servers sometime tomorrow. As with the other platforms, we'll release patch notes tomorrow and set up some threads where you can discuss the specifics of the 100+ fixes provided and also call out any major issues that you may still be experiencing so we can prioritize them for the future.

We look forward to getting these fixes into your hands ASAP.

[rekkaman]

Does Sony release their updates at midnight ?

[Vex009]

Tomorrow, huh? Awesome. 100+ fixes?... Jesus that's a lot of mess. Finger's crossed that after the patch this game plays the way it was intended.

[Viperkid]

Gotta love that plan "OK boys, it has a green light! But we've made them wait this long, why not wait one more day!"

[prazision]

Vex009 wrote...

Tomorrow, huh? Awesome. 100+ fixes?... Jesus that's a lot of mess. Finger's crossed that after the patch this game plays the way it was intended.

Prepare to be disappointed.  There are still a lot of bugs they're working on for the NEXT patch.

Companion Issues



- Carver goes from SPOILER to SPOILER in act 3 during Best Served Cold hostage scene

- Isabela doesn't switch to her alternate outfit after the romance scene (requires using makers sigh to fix currently)

- Companions lose upgrades when they switch outfits

- Fenris' Dog conversation (Black Emporium) is not firing

- Merrill's 'Mourning' quest at the beginning of Act 2 is
auto-completing. This quest is not supposed to be in the game so for now
just disregard the message about it. (it does not affect your game at
all)

- Varric's 'Friendly Concern' conversation trees are not firing for any LI except Anders currently

- Sebastian Vael - Despite having friendship maxed, his companion
power does not show as active on his Abilities page (the bonus is
working, however)

- Anders' rivalry dialog doesn't trigger (friendship instead) during endgame after the 'chantry part'

- Anders' Tevinter chantry amulet turn-in does not give the appropriate reputation modifier when in a rivalry



Quest Issues



- 'Who Needs Rescuing' quest still broken

- 'Sketchy on the Details' doesn't clear from the journal upon completion

- During 'Demands of the Qun' Aveline's guards are aggressive if you go to the docks at night





Combat Issues



- Varric's Disorienting Shot doesn't disorient (for more than a split-second)

- Modal abilities that should be exclusive are stacking if you toggle two of them on quickly

- Hawke can become immune to Injury occassionally

- Magic Resist is affecting Haste (causing the duration to be shorter, essentially resisting your own buff)

- Issues with Gravitic Ring under certain circumstances

Most of those aren't too bad, but "Companions losing upgrades when switching armor" and "Magic Resist is affecting Haste" are pretty bad.  It's a good thing this game is so easy!

[Blackstar347]

Rob Bartel wrote...

Good news, everyone. We've heard back from both the European and North American offices of Sony. They've given PS3 Title Update 1.01 the green light and expect it to go live on their servers sometime tomorrow. As with the other platforms, we'll release patch notes tomorrow and set up some threads where you can discuss the specifics of the 100+ fixes provided and also call out any major issues that you may still be experiencing so we can prioritize them for the future.

We look forward to getting these fixes into your hands ASAP.

Was the epic trophy bug fixed? =(

[Malakar1]

Tuesday between 7pm and 12pm, PSN store update like usual. Unless they release it on a "special time" but I don't recall Sony releasing something not during a PSN update. 

Modifié par Malakar1, 18 avril 2011 - 07:21 .

[Cylon King]

Malakar1 wrote...

Tuesday between 7pm and 12pm, PSN store update like usual. Unless they release it on a "special time" but I don't recall Sony releasing something not during a PSN update. 

Patches never go up at the same times as a store update. I am sure if you look in the morning the patch will be up.

[jaybee93]

I'm downloading it now. Odd, how this is almost as exciting as getting the original game.