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[ExtremeOne]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

What is Bioware is F**king scared to tell us the reason because they either know hell will be unleashed here in the forums or its really stupid. We do not have the choice and that is what has us Cerberus fans pissed off.

It's a plot twist that they think is cool so they want to keep it secret.  Also, telling everyone all the plot points before ME3 is even released takes the fun of discovery out of the game.  Going in knowing why Cerberus is after you would be akin to knowing who killed Mr. Boddy before your game of Clue even starts.

   




I understand that they just should have left that info out if it was not meant to be discussed any further. 

[Quole]

Cause TIM is an idiot.

[JeffZero]

Shepard has an outstanding medical bill.

[Sylvianus]

Whatever the reason, I take pleasure in killing this traitor. I thank that Cerberus would be on my side giving them the collectors' s base, but they took me for a fool.

But I should have guessed when I saw the shabby little smile of TIM at the end in the kinematics.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 19 avril 2011 - 08:03 .

[Sylvianus]

LOL

[didymos1120]

ExtremeOne wrote...

I understand that they just should have left that info out if it was not meant to be discussed any further. 

You say "understand" as if there's some etiquette guide for hyping your game/show/film/whatever out there.  No, you've simply gotten all riled up and decided they shouldn't do it because it annoys your Cerberus-adoring self that they included this tease in the article and you think you're now entitled to a detailed explanation.  You're not.

[redbaron76]

The simple answer is Shepard was never cerberus. Point one Information that was passed on to alliance was by shepard. Shepard blew up the base. Second there was only one Reaper IFF and Normandy has it. So even if base was saved TIm and cerberus would not be able to access it. And Point 3 Shepard will stop cerberus cold.

[CroGamer002]

Arcian wrote...

TIM: "Tell me, what's the status on that package I sent for?"
Cerberus Agent: "The bourbon and cigarettes? I... eh, hm..."
TIM: "Spit it out."
Cerberus Agent: "It's... well... the ship was raided."
TIM: "What? Raided? By whom?"
Cerberus Agent: "We have no physical confirmation, but the person was wearing a N7 armor variant."
TIM: "That's... do you have anything else?"
Cerberus Agent: "The theif also left a note. Do you want me to-"
TIM: "Of course I f***ing want you to read it."
Cerberus Agent: "S-sorry sir... it goes 'Sorry to you who were supposed to get this package. I need the cigarettes to look cool while saving the galaxy, and the booze helps me get into the right mindset. Anyway, I'm Commander Conrad Verner... Shepard. Call me up if you need a refund or something."
TIM: *incomprehensible growling as he swipes the datapad out of her hand*
Cerberus Agent: "Should we find this Conrad Verner?"
TIM: "What? No! That's just a ruse! I know who Verner is - he's an incompetent loser trying to walk in Shepard's footsteps. He couldn't raid his own fridge if he tried."
Cerberus Agent: "But sir, I doubt..."
TIM: "This is the final insult I intend to suffer! Mobilize all death squads - find Shepard, kill him and bring his head to me on a silver platter!"
Cerberus Agent: "But sir, he just crossed over his own name and added Shepard's to the end."
TIM: "A ploy! Misdirection! I begrudged his decision to destroy the base, but I did nothing about it ouf of respect. Now he attacks my own personal weaknesses - my vices. How dare he, how dare that son of a b**ch!"
Cerberus Agent: "Sir, you're-"
TIM: "I LIVE ON A SPACE STATION IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE THOUSANDS OF LIGHTYEARS FROM THE CLOSEST LIQUOR STORE AND RELY ON A STEADY SUPPLY OF CIGS AND BOURBON. I WILL NOT TOLERATE THIS SH*T. HE WANTS A WAR, HE'LL GET ONE!"
Cerberus Agent: *sneaks off in fear while TIM goes into the worst withdrawal-rant of his lifetime*

And thus, a motive was born.

EDIT: nice of the site to garble my post after sending it

Conrad can die.

Plothole! No wait it's retcon. I blame evil EA. Bioware is dead. This is not RPG!

[GreenDragon37]

Quole wrote...

Cause TIM is an idiot.

This right here!

[Aggie Punbot]

"Why is Cerberus chasing Shepard?"

Shepard stole the cookie from the cookie jar.

[TomY90]

AshiraShepard wrote...

Or it could be that Cerberus has a really nice background of betraying people...

Did anyone see this coming?

Shepard has more than enough data on Cerberus to be massive threat.

Besides, TIM was obviously doing more than he let on, because if you kept the base, he already had ships with IFFs ready. Where did he get those and why didn't he tell you about them?

Shepard was a pawn.

Maybe TIM is playing Xanatos Roulette...

I did see it coming that was one of the reasons why I did not give him the base I could tell I was expendable to him just someone he can throw away and knew once they got what they needed they would remove me from the equation.

i thought it was strange as well how he knew that the collector ship would have data on what is needed to do so (surely all that information is stored inside the collectors brains considering everything of the collectors is replaced with tech.

and how in the salvage crew on the derelict reaper know where to get the IFF from in the reaper even though it would be really well hidden and nobody knows how a reaper works so they would not know where one is.

[didymos1120]

TomY90 wrote...

i thought it was strange as well how he knew that the collector ship would have data on what is needed to do so (surely all that information is stored inside the collectors brains considering everything of the collectors is replaced with tech.

He didn't know.  He suspected some sort of special signal was required to safely use the Omega-4.  You went there to confirm his suspicion.

and how in the salvage crew on the derelict reaper know where to get the IFF from in the reaper even though it would be really well hidden and nobody knows how a reaper works so they would not know where one is.

So what? That's why they went there: to study the thing. They learned enough to figure out how to get the IFF. We don't need detailed logs saying "Cable 329856a connects to probable data storage device XJ5C97 in Section blah-blah-blah-useless-information-that-adds-nothing-to-the-story."

Modifié par didymos1120, 19 avril 2011 - 11:44 .

[KingDan97]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

No, much simpler than that;

Shepard blows up base=TIM angry

Shepard keeps base=TIM indoctrinated

Doesn't work like that.

Oh, so you finally got that job at Bioware eh? Company know-it-all? Yeah, if Bioware says that TIM was indoctrinated due to exposure to the Turian artifact and it was put into overdrive due to mass proximity than that's the case. Whether you like it or not. I also find it proposterous that you're saying "If that's even true" as though Bioware deliberately lied to GI just to throw us off a trail.

[Legionari3]

A few guesses.
If you destroy the Collector base it make sense for them to be after Shepard.
If you keep the Collector base however it could be the Illusive man sees that as the solution to beating the Reapers and sees Shepard more of a threat.

[thesilverlinedviking]

If you blow up the station, TIM's still pissy about you telling him to shove it.
If you save the station, TIM shoved his head up his own ass and thinks he doesn't need you anymore.
Simple.

[Badpie]

Stardusk78 wrote...

No, much simpler than that;

Shepard blows up base=TIM angry

Shepard keeps base=TIM indoctrinated

Plausible.  

[Destroy Raiden_]

They want their tech back?

Seriously paras say FU to TIM so yeah he's pissed you basically hijacked yourself, his ship, and his crew after spending billions of credits on you he's pissed I'm sure he figured after all that cash you were his property.

For rens I'm going with TIM is indoctrinated

And if BW needs a plot point for him just plainly hating both for the same reason. He finds outs through his 8 ball that sheps implants will allow him to be controlled by the reapers and sense he doesn't want a shep weapon thats not in his hands he wants to get shep hit that control chip hes got inside his head and make shep kill for him instead of the reapers.

[DarkSeraphym]

Badpie wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

No, much simpler than that;

Shepard blows up base=TIM angry

Shepard keeps base=TIM indoctrinated

Plausible.  

Plausible, but having TIM indoctrinated would require coming up with an overly complicated plot that would rival the Metal Gear Solid universe in difficulty to understand.

For the complicated plot, they would have to do it one of two ways. Either explain that TIM has been indoctrinated the whole time, or have him get on the station and have equipment there that would have indoctrinated him. Seeing as how he has already come into contact with a Reaper device, the former would make the most sense. However, if that is the case, why would the Reapers be working at opposing angles? Why have The Illusive Man even bring Shepard back if they wanted to acquire his body with the Collectors in the first place?

Modifié par DarkSeraphym, 21 avril 2011 - 01:34 .

[Last Vizard]

thesilverlinedviking wrote...

If you blow up the station, TIM's still pissy about you telling him to shove it.
If you save the station, TIM shoved his head up his own ass and thinks he doesn't need you anymore.
Simple.

For the amount of credits he spent bringing you back... no not simple, it'll be a dialog thing in ME 3 because thats the only logical thing it can be, unless choice means nothing to BW.

[Last Vizard]

DarkSeraphym wrote...

Badpie wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

No, much simpler than that;

Shepard blows up base=TIM angry

Shepard keeps base=TIM indoctrinated

Plausible.  

Plausible, but having TIM indoctrinated would require coming up with an overly complicated plot that would rival the Metal Gear Solid universe in difficulty to understand.

For the complicated plot, they would have to do it one of two ways. Either explain that TIM has been indoctrinated the whole time, or have him get on the station and have equipment there that would have indoctrinated him. Seeing as how he has already come into contact with a Reaper device, the former would make the most sense. However, if that is the case, why would the Reapers be working at opposing angles? Why have The Illusive Man even bring Shepard back if they wanted to acquire his body with the Collectors in the first place?

^this, this shows that if Cerberus is after a Shep that is happy to work for them it is Retcon

[ExtremeOne]

DarkSeraphym wrote...

Badpie wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

No, much simpler than that;

Shepard blows up base=TIM angry

Shepard keeps base=TIM indoctrinated

Plausible.  

Plausible, but having TIM indoctrinated would require coming up with an overly complicated plot that would rival the Metal Gear Solid universe in difficulty to understand.

For the complicated plot, they would have to do it one of two ways. Either explain that TIM has been indoctrinated the whole time, or have him get on the station and have equipment there that would have indoctrinated him. Seeing as how he has already come into contact with a Reaper device, the former would make the most sense. However, if that is the case, why would the Reapers be working at opposing angles? Why have The Illusive Man even bring Shepard back if they wanted to acquire his body with the Collectors in the first place?

  



I agree with that it just makes no sense at all based on Mass Effect 2's story  

[DarkSeraphym]

ExtremeOne wrote...


I agree with that it just makes no sense at all based on Mass Effect 2's story  

Precisely. To be honest, I'm a little shocked that people jump upon this theory as being "the most simple one" as it essentially comes down to being nothing more than a conspiracy theory and they tend to be overcomplicated. It might be simple to say that "The Illusive Man turns on Shepard because he is indoctrinated", but that theory would require going back on the Mass Effect 2 story and opting to overcomplicate things. They'd have to explain why the Illusive Man brought back Shepard in the first place when the Reapers had already sent the Collectors to collect his/her body. Were they overly confident that they'd get what they want either way? Were they just bored?

One theory I have heard is that perhaps this has to do with the fact that the Reapers are sovereign from one another. Maybe one of them is working the Collector angle while another is working the Illusive Man angle. Yet, surely you'd expect an uber-advanced race like the Reapers to understand the importance of coordination when it comes to performing operations like this. If the Reapers are not capable of this, why are they so advanced in the first place? That seems a little out of place given how coordinated and well-planned the attacks on the Citadel have been in the past, so coordinated that they don't even leave evidence behind that they were there.

Modifié par DarkSeraphym, 21 avril 2011 - 03:06 .