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[ExtremeOne]

DarkSeraphym wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...


I agree with that it just makes no sense at all based on Mass Effect 2's story  

Precisely. To be honest, I'm a little shocked that people jump upon this theory as being "the most simple one" as it essentially comes down to being nothing more than a conspiracy theory and they tend to be overcomplicated. It might be simple to say that "The Illusive Man turns on Shepard because he is indoctrinated", but that theory would require going back on the Mass Effect 2 story and opting to overcomplicate things. They'd have to explain why the Illusive Man brought back Shepard in the first place when the Reapers had already sent the Collectors to collect his/her body. Were they overly confident that they'd get what they want either way? Were they just bored?

One theory I have heard is that perhaps this has to do with the fact that the Reapers are sovereign from one another. Maybe one of them is working the Collector angle while another is working the Illusive Man angle. Yet, surely you'd expect an uber-advanced race like the Reapers to understand the importance of coordination when it comes to performing operations like this. If the Reapers are not capable of this, why are they so advanced in the first place? That seems a little out of place given how coordinated and well-planned the attacks on the Citadel have been in the past, so coordinated that they don't even leave evidence behind that they were there.

  






 it sounds like Bioware is going back on the Mass Effect 2 story. It also is clear the story from Mass Effect 1 and 2 as well 3 are not the same at all .  

[DarkSeraphym]

ExtremeOne wrote...

it sounds like Bioware is going back on the Mass Effect 2 story. It also is clear the story from Mass Effect 1 and 2 as well 3 are not the same at all .  

I'm hoping that Zulu is onto something with the Saren 2.0 theory. It is very ironic and I do enjoy irony.

[Zulu_DFA]

DarkSeraphym wrote...

I'm hoping that Zulu is onto something with the Saren 2.0 theory. It is very ironic and I do enjoy irony.

Actually the OP of this thread is not my "official" standing in this matter. It is a possibility, but more probably it is that TIM just imitates the feud against Shepard per the deniability protocol and to give Shepard some credence with the aliens, while at the same time tracking and to an extent controlling Shepard's actions via his most trusted Asari operative.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 21 avril 2011 - 03:30 .

[Savber100]

Indoctrination is my bet.

I can see several ways that the writers can use to show how Cerberus turn against you.

I mean is it really that much of a stretch to have the Illusive Man become indoctrinated after obtaining the Collector's base?

Also, I don't get how saving the Collector Base equal Cerberus liking you? You're just a tool to gain a greater tool.

Modifié par Savber100, 21 avril 2011 - 03:43 .

[DarkSeraphym]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

DarkSeraphym wrote...

I'm hoping that Zulu is onto something with the Saren 2.0 theory. It is very ironic and I do enjoy irony.

Actually the OP of this thread is not my "official" standing in this matter. It is a possibility, but more probably it is that TIM just imitates the feud against Shepard per the deniability protocol and to give Shepard some credence with the aliens, while at the same time tracking and to an extent controlling Shepard's actions via his most trusted Asari operative.

Another possibility, actually its probably one of the strongest possibilities. Would probably also explain why The Illusive Man doesn't appear to really be trying to kill you from the screenshots I am seeing here. Looks to me like he is just sending swarms of drones at you.

[Zulu_DFA]

Savber100 wrote...

I don't get it... how does saving the Collector Base equal Cerberus likes you? You're just a tool to gain a greater tool.

Craftsmen usually like good tools and dislike bad tools. However, they don't throw away bad tools just to get back at them.

[DarkSeraphym]

Savber100 wrote...

Indoctrination is my bet.

I can see several ways that the writers can use to show how Cerberus turn against you.

I mean is it really that much of a stretch to have the Illusive Man become indoctrinated after obtaining the Collector's base?

Also, I don't get how saving the Collector Base equal Cerberus liking you? You're just a tool to gain a greater tool.

As someone else on this thread has posted, we aren't entirely certain what kinds of Reaper tech are designed for indoctrination and what kinds aren't. Dragon's Teeth certainly are, but the Citadel and all Mass Relays are Reaper technology, yet nothing has really come about out of them when it comes to indoctrination. Likewise, as far as I know, no indoctrination came out of designing EDI out of Reaper technology as well. It certainly is possible that the Base would have indoctrination devices on it, but that seems rather silly to me as no one was supposed to be able to get near the Collector Base anyway and the Reapers are not gods with infinite resources. Most people would not waste time creating a ton of internal threats within a structure if no one is supposed to be capable of getting near it anyway.

Besides, even if there are indoctrination devices on it, I don't really see why The Illusive Man would feel the need to spend extended periods of time at the Base.

Modifié par DarkSeraphym, 21 avril 2011 - 03:50 .

[Seboist]

DarkSeraphym wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

Indoctrination is my bet.

I can see several ways that the writers can use to show how Cerberus turn against you.

I mean is it really that much of a stretch to have the Illusive Man become indoctrinated after obtaining the Collector's base?

Also, I don't get how saving the Collector Base equal Cerberus liking you? You're just a tool to gain a greater tool.

As someone else on this thread has posted, we aren't entirely certain what kinds of Reaper tech are designed for indoctrination and what kinds aren't. Dragon's Teeth certainly are, but the Citadel and all Mass Relays are Reaper technology, yet nothing has really come about out of them when it comes to indoctrination. Likewise, as far as I know, no indoctrination came out of designing EDI out of Reaper technology as well. It certainly is possible that the Base would have indoctrination devices on it, but that seems rather silly to me as no one was supposed to be able to get near the Collector Base anyway and the Reapers are not gods with infinite resources. Most people would not waste time creating a ton of internal threats within a structure if no one is supposed to be capable of getting near it anyway.

Besides, even if there are indoctrination devices on it, I don't really see why The Illusive Man would feel the need to spend extended periods of time at the Base.

Shepard also uses Collector weapons and armor in ME2 and doesn't get indoctrinated by that either. Nor does the crew get indoctrinated by the Sovereign derived Thanix Canon.

[Seboist]

DarkSeraphym wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...


I agree with that it just makes no sense at all based on Mass Effect 2's story  

Precisely. To be honest, I'm a little shocked that people jump upon this theory as being "the most simple one" as it essentially comes down to being nothing more than a conspiracy theory and they tend to be overcomplicated. It might be simple to say that "The Illusive Man turns on Shepard because he is indoctrinated", but that theory would require going back on the Mass Effect 2 story and opting to overcomplicate things. They'd have to explain why the Illusive Man brought back Shepard in the first place when the Reapers had already sent the Collectors to collect his/her body. Were they overly confident that they'd get what they want either way? Were they just bored?

One theory I have heard is that perhaps this has to do with the fact that the Reapers are sovereign from one another. Maybe one of them is working the Collector angle while another is working the Illusive Man angle. Yet, surely you'd expect an uber-advanced race like the Reapers to understand the importance of coordination when it comes to performing operations like this. If the Reapers are not capable of this, why are they so advanced in the first place? That seems a little out of place given how coordinated and well-planned the attacks on the Citadel have been in the past, so coordinated that they don't even leave evidence behind that they were there.

It'd be downright sad if they actually come up with a story where TIM was controlled by a Reaper that had a grudge against Harbinger.

[ExtremeOne]

Bioware is creating a fake ass story to make Cerberus the enemy in ME 3 and it is sad .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Yup, the Saren 2.0 theory is especially interesting!

[Malanek]

Marta Rio wrote...

I've always figured that TIM was ultimately going to side with the Reapers, because the Reapers offer humanity the chance to achieve god-like status.  Sort of the ultimate way to assure human dominance in the galaxy (even if it's some altered form of humanity).  I think I posted this in the forums, and then was shot down because "No, TIM hates the Reapers and would never ever side with them." 

In light of this new information, maybe TIM is coming around to the Reapers' way of thinking.  Or they offer him some sort of deal - e.g. he gets to keep some form of consciousness in a new Reaper body.   It would be interesting to have a character that buys into what the Reapers are doing without being indoctrinated (although I'm not sure TIM's the right character for this).

I think this, or something like this, is the most interesting theory. I think the Reapers will cut a deal with TIM. In return for capturing Shepard they will give him a few remote systems and a small percentage of humans to be left alive to populate them. Then the relays will be destroyed sealing those systems off from the rest of the galaxy.

Modifié par Malanek999, 21 avril 2011 - 04:39 .

[DarkSeraphym]

Malanek999 wrote...

I think this, or something like this, is the most interesting theory. I think the Reapers will cut a deal with TIM. In return for capturing Shepard they will give him a few remote systems and a small percentage of humans to be left alive to populate them. Then the relays will be destroyed sealing those systems off from the rest of the galaxy.

As Marta pointed out, I think the Illusive Man is the wrong character for this. Given what I've read of the Manifesto from the most recent comic, TIM doesn't appear to be content with the idea that humanity can just sit in a group of systems and not be part of the bigger galaxy that is out there. Of course, this is due to the fact that TIM believes that humanity should "take it's rightful place in the stars." Likewise, the Reapers would never cut this deal anyway. The whole point of the Relays was to make certain that all species that found them would develop along the paths they desire so that they would not become too advanced. If they left TIM and a small bunch of humans to thrive in a system with no way for them to be monitored, the Reapers could eventually have a huge problem on their hands in the future.

If anything, I think TIM would be the character least likely to sell out the Reapers. They are just another race that is ultimately in the way of human dominance and because they are not comfortable with that role for humanity, they will have to be crushed under our heel. I don't doubt for a second that if TIM could find a way to reliably control them, he would do so. However, I could not see him simply giving into their demands since they are little more than a much larger obstacle that humanity will have to destroy in order to be the dominant force in the galaxy.

Modifié par DarkSeraphym, 21 avril 2011 - 04:49 .

[ExtremeOne]

DarkSeraphym wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

I think this, or something like this, is the most interesting theory. I think the Reapers will cut a deal with TIM. In return for capturing Shepard they will give him a few remote systems and a small percentage of humans to be left alive to populate them. Then the relays will be destroyed sealing those systems off from the rest of the galaxy.

As Marta pointed out, I think the Illusive Man is the wrong character for this. Given what I've read of the Manifesto from the most recent comic, TIM doesn't appear to be content with the idea that humanity can just sit in a group of systems and not be part of the bigger galaxy that is out there. Of course, this is due to the fact that TIM believes that humanity should "take it's rightful place in the stars." Likewise, the Reapers would never cut this deal anyway. The whole point of the Relays was to make certain that all species that found them would develop along the paths they desire so that they would not become too advanced. If they left TIM and a small bunch of humans to thrive in a system with no way for them to be monitored, the Reapers could eventually have a huge problem on their hands in the future.

If anything, I think TIM would be the character least likely to sell out the Reapers. They are just another race that is ultimately in the way of human dominance and because they are not comfortable with that role for humanity, they will have to be crushed under our heel. I don't doubt for a second that if TIM could find a way to reliably control them, he would do so. However, I could not see him simply giving into their demands since they are little more than a much larger obstacle that humanity will have to destroy in order to be the dominant force in the galaxy.

  



He would never side with the reapers . He wants to destroy them and dominate the Galaxy . Bioware is basically sayiing Mass Effect 2 's story was a joke 

[KingDan97]

I still hold with the theory that it has to do with his eyes. Evolution already stated that TIM(even if the wiki doesn't acknowledge him as Jack Harper) hears the reapers whispers due to contact with the artifact. Therefore it's logical that proximity has a connection and that by the time that all of them have reached the galaxy the signal(which would be transmitted by the FTL comm buoys, or perhaps some sort of subspace ala Stargate) that the combined whispers would have him completely loopy.

Some evidence that could lend itself towards my conclusion. Cerberus had a good bit of vested interest in the things Saren was working around(rachni/thorian) and after Sovreign's defeat the whispers quieted and the events of ME2 kicked in. Now because of Evolution we know exactly why TIM was so receptive of your theory on the reapers, stating that people who know the things you do shouldn't meet in person due to the possible consequences. At first it was assumed that he had on some level attained the remnants of Sovvie but if he was picking up on weaker versions of the frequency Saren had been pulling this would explain his similar interests.

It would also explain how he could get attuned to the dormant reaper in the brown dwarf and know to send his people there. Then imagine that Sovvie's signal returns after a period of relative dormancy, but 1000 fold. That could lead to indoctrination outright.

Modifié par KingDan97, 21 avril 2011 - 06:31 .

[DarkSeraphym]

KingDan97 wrote...

I still hold with the theory that it has to do with his eyes. Evolution already stated that TIM(even if the wiki doesn't acknowledge him as Jack Harper) hears the reapers whispers due to contact with the artifact. Therefore it's logical that proximity has a connection and that by the time that all of them have reached the galaxy the signal(which would be transmitted by the FTL comm buoys, or perhaps some sort of subspace ala Stargate) that the combined whispers would have him completely loopy.

Some evidence that could lend itself towards my conclusion. Cerberus had a good bit of vested interest in the things Saren was working around(rachni/thorian) and after Sovreign's defeat the whispers quieted and the events of ME2 kicked in. Now because of Evolution we know exactly why TIM was so receptive of your theory on the reapers, stating that people who know the things you do shouldn't meet in person due to the possible consequences. At first it was assumed that he had on some level attained the remnants of Sovvie but if he was picking up on weaker versions of the frequency Saren had been pulling this would explain his similar interests.

It would also explain how he could get attuned to the dormant reaper in the brown dwarf and know to send his people there. Then imagine that Sovvie's signal returns after a period of relative dormancy, but 1000 fold. That could lead to indoctrination outright.

Perhaps you can further elaborate on your first point? I see your conclusion that proximity has a connection and the idea that once they arrive, it could send him loopy. What I am missing is the premise that should be coming before it. Why is it necessarily logical that because The Illusive Man hears whispers, proximity must have something to do with this? In Evolution, people who directly touch that artifact get indoctrinated regardless of proximity. It appears to me that the whispers has more to do with the fact that he got second-hand exposure as opposed to direct exposure.

Your evidence does indeed suggest that TIM has a fascination with the Reapers because of his exposure and knows as much as he does because of this exposure as well. What I don't think your evidence clearly suggests is an attachment to proximity. Many Turians were indoctrinated in the Evolution comic regardless of proximity to a Reaper. Likewise, proximity did not effect the Reaper's ability to indoctrinate the Collector General or Paul Grayson. It appears to me that The Illusive Man's ability to hear their whispers has more to do with the fact that he didn't actually touch the device while everyone else did.

I am of the theory that The Illusive Man is nothing more than the Reaper-version of Shepard. Instead of having visions of the Protheans, the Illusive Man has visions of the Reapers and probably knows what he does about them because of this relationship. This is very much similar to how Shepard learned the Prothean Cypher as a result of the visions he had of their kind. This relationship seems all the more obvious to me as a result of Issue #4 where the Illusive Man is able to figure out the entire purpose of the Arca Monolith, the history of it, and the reason why the Turians were protecting it as a result of just being locked in a cell for what seems like a couple of days. Even those Turians who had been studying the artifact weren't able to figure out what TIM could and some of them had probably been working on that thing for years.

I also wonder whether or not this possible relationship between the Reapers and The Illusive Man works only one way. In the Redemption series, the Collectors didn't appear to know that The Illusive Man was going to bring Shepard back. Likewise, they also didn't appear to have prior knowledge that Shepard's plan was to fight them on their own turf. In Retribution, indoctrination appears to mean that the Reapers are able to go right through their victims memory to get any useful information out of them. Seeing as how they could not figure out this information from the Illusive Man in Mass Effect 2, it appears to me that the relationship between the two of them is kind of one-sided in TIM's favor. If this is the case, the Illusive Man very well might be one of the most important players in stopping them, if not the most important.

Modifié par DarkSeraphym, 21 avril 2011 - 07:47 .

[ExtremeOne]

KingDan97 wrote...

I still hold with the theory that it has to do with his eyes. Evolution already stated that TIM(even if the wiki doesn't acknowledge him as Jack Harper) hears the reapers whispers due to contact with the artifact. Therefore it's logical that proximity has a connection and that by the time that all of them have reached the galaxy the signal(which would be transmitted by the FTL comm buoys, or perhaps some sort of subspace ala Stargate) that the combined whispers would have him completely loopy.

Some evidence that could lend itself towards my conclusion. Cerberus had a good bit of vested interest in the things Saren was working around(rachni/thorian) and after Sovreign's defeat the whispers quieted and the events of ME2 kicked in. Now because of Evolution we know exactly why TIM was so receptive of your theory on the reapers, stating that people who know the things you do shouldn't meet in person due to the possible consequences. At first it was assumed that he had on some level attained the remnants of Sovvie but if he was picking up on weaker versions of the frequency Saren had been pulling this would explain his similar interests.

It would also explain how he could get attuned to the dormant reaper in the brown dwarf and know to send his people there. Then imagine that Sovvie's signal returns after a period of relative dormancy, but 1000 fold. That could lead to indoctrination outright.

     






Even if he saw those things that does not explain why after ME 2 he would turn on Shepard. He wants to destroy the reapers not work with them. He spent 4 Billion credits on bringing Shepard back to destroy the collectors and reapeers . and then he will turn on him after all that bull sh*t . Bioware is simply remaking Mass Effect 2 in ME 3 or they are saying that ME 2's story is a joke and never happened in their eyes. Cerberus stopped the collectors and now they are the bad guys. Thats a joke  

[HealthyGiraffe]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Bioware is creating a fake ass story to make Cerberus the enemy in ME 3 and it is sad .

Ah, you're one of those really annoying fans. This is what would really ****** me off if I was a game developer.

Guess what - you don't know why Cerberus is attacking Shepard. 

None of us know. You can't say "ITS A JOKE" because the reasons YOU have thought of aren't good enough. You are talking out of your backside and it's doing my head in. 

It's Bioware's story and I dare say they know more about Cereberus than you do, and I also think they know how to tell a story better than you. Shut up and relax. Slagging off a game's story that hasn't even been released yet is ****ing stupid. Period. You're making something up and then attacking what you have made up.

Why don't we just lay off the criticism until we have something to criticise?

I apologise if I am coming off as insulting, but this is so annoying it's not funny. 

Modifié par HealthyGiraffe, 21 avril 2011 - 08:34 .

[The BS Police]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Bioware is creating a fake ass story to make Cerberus the enemy in ME 3 and it is sad .

Cerberus always was an enemy, you simply had no other options but to work with Cerberus in Mass Effect 2. As for fake story, it isn't fake if it's Bioware themselves who write it and release it.

[Eduadinho]

HealthyGiraffe wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Bioware is creating a fake ass story to make Cerberus the enemy in ME 3 and it is sad .

Ah, you're one of those really annoying fans. This is what would really ****** me off if I was a game developer.

Guess what - you don't know why Cerberus is attacking Shepard. 

None of us know. You can't say "ITS A JOKE" because the reasons YOU have thought of aren't good enough. You are talking out of your backside and it's doing my head in. 

It's Bioware's story and I dare say they know more about Cereberus than you do, and I also think they know how to tell a story better than you. Shut up and relax. Slagging off a game's story that hasn't even been released yet is ****ing stupid. Period. You're making something up and then attacking what you have made up.

Why don't we just lay off the criticism until we have something to criticise?

I apologise if I am coming off as insulting, but this is so annoying it's not funny. 

This.
I think it has to do with the court case and how much information about Cerberus will be revealed. Even if Shepard does not want to reveal this information it will come out and they need to get rid of him before more information about there projects etc are released. 
I have one other theory and that is because this is the last game there may be massive changes in storyline based on previous actions and that your Shepard can take a pro or anti Cerberus stance and this will determine a few key missions in the overall plot of the game.

[ExtremeOne]

HealthyGiraffe wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Bioware is creating a fake ass story to make Cerberus the enemy in ME 3 and it is sad .

Ah, you're one of those really annoying fans. This is what would really ****** me off if I was a game developer.

Guess what - you don't know why Cerberus is attacking Shepard. 

None of us know. You can't say "ITS A JOKE" because the reasons YOU have thought of aren't good enough. You are talking out of your backside and it's doing my head in. 

It's Bioware's story and I dare say they know more about Cereberus than you do, and I also think they know how to tell a story better than you. Shut up and relax. Slagging off a game's story that hasn't even been released yet is ****ing stupid. Period. You're making something up and then attacking what you have made up.

Why don't we just lay off the criticism until we have something to criticise?

I apologise if I am coming off as insulting, but this is so annoying it's not funny. 

  




I might not know why .  I just think that if a developer puts info in a mag and  then says oh we are not going to discuss that . I think its bull sh*t and a joke . Its the whole hidden reason behind it that makes me feel as if its a joke and stupid. If you do not want to discuss info any further then do not put it in the mag period . Simple as that . 
What does Bioware have to be scared of . Is it the story and reason behind it is silly. Or is it so out of left field that no one will buy it . Just tell us and do not play games with us and so oh you have to wait until you play the game crap. 

[ExtremeOne]

The BS Police wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Bioware is creating a fake ass story to make Cerberus the enemy in ME 3 and it is sad .

Cerberus always was an enemy, you simply had no other options but to work with Cerberus in Mass Effect 2. As for fake story, it isn't fake if it's Bioware themselves who write it and release it.

  




I would buy that but the Cerberus form ME 1 and Cerberus from ME 2 are 2 different stories.  and now Cerberus is a different story . So no way in hell that Cerberus is the bad guys its just another flip flop on Bioware's part  

[Tennessee88]

Bioware did a good job of showing Cerberus as an organization that was much more complex in its beliefs, membership, and willingness to do whatever it took than we thought. Even TIM seems to be a very grey character and I hope this continues. Think about the wealth of different opinions you heard in ME2 from Cerberus operatives. Miranda, Jacob, Gardner, the Engineers, TIM, the ones who were willing to go rogue to achieve their goals, etc.

Also the fact that TIM was willing to let Anderson go in order to get the word out about the Reapers would make a vendetta or revenge for the loss of the Normandy seem stupid.

I want TIM to remain complex and original. Either the war has made him gone mad with paranoia (heart of darkness), or my favorite would be that TIM is afraid you are indoctrinated after the incident with Object Rho. He has seen what it can do, and he is obviously been touched by it in some manner. I want a Loghain character, even if you hate him is motivations are not silly or irrational.

If its simply TIM is indoctrinated.... that just really does not seem like inventive writing.

[didymos1120]

ExtremeOne wrote...

I might not know why .

No "might" about it.  You just plain don't, nor does anyone else not employed by Bioware.

I just think that if a developer puts info in a mag and  then says oh we are not going to discuss that . I think its bull sh*t and a joke . Its the whole hidden reason behind it that makes me feel as if its a joke and stupid. If you do not want to discuss info any further then do not put it in the mag period . Simple as that . 

Uh-huh.  Because it's just soooooooo unusual for tidbits of story to be mentioned before a game/movie/book/film/whatever comes out in order to drum up interest and speculation, and for those tidbits to remain unexplained until release.  That NEVER EVER happens EVER.  Oh, wait that's right: it happens all the goddamn time.  It's an utterly mundane occurrence.

You're just making these arbitary rules up to justify you getting all bent out of shape about something you've decided is horrible on the basis of, well, pretty much nothing whatsoever. Do you also get infuriated by, say, every movie trailer made ever when the releasing studio subsequently fails to divulge the entire plot?  Somehow, I doubt it.  

[Tennessee88]

ExtremeOne wrote...

HealthyGiraffe wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Bioware is creating a fake ass story to make Cerberus the enemy in ME 3 and it is sad .

Ah, you're one of those really annoying fans. This is what would really ****** me off if I was a game developer.

Guess what - you don't know why Cerberus is attacking Shepard. 

None of us know. You can't say "ITS A JOKE" because the reasons YOU have thought of aren't good enough. You are talking out of your backside and it's doing my head in. 

It's Bioware's story and I dare say they know more about Cereberus than you do, and I also think they know how to tell a story better than you. Shut up and relax. Slagging off a game's story that hasn't even been released yet is ****ing stupid. Period. You're making something up and then attacking what you have made up.

Why don't we just lay off the criticism until we have something to criticise?

I apologise if I am coming off as insulting, but this is so annoying it's not funny. 

  




I might not know why .  I just think that if a developer puts info in a mag and  then says oh we are not going to discuss that . I think its bull sh*t and a joke . Its the whole hidden reason behind it that makes me feel as if its a joke and stupid. If you do not want to discuss info any further then do not put it in the mag period . Simple as that . 
What does Bioware have to be scared of . Is it the story and reason behind it is silly. Or is it so out of left field that no one will buy it . Just tell us and do not play games with us and so oh you have to wait until you play the game crap. 

My guess is that this story arc reveals far to much about the game or they just wanted to keep that part under wraps. Hell it could of even been a trial baloon to see the communities reaction. I was furious when I found out too but I am holding out hope.

Bioware did a really good job of making Cerberus feel like a real living breathing organization... in fact I would say that the Cerberus of ME2 is the most sucessful faction ever created by Bioware. Its organic, you have multiple view points having to be reconciled into a goal that while stated, is ambiguous. There is very little black and white, very little that is not some form of compromise between the various members.

I would say its hopeless but I don't think Bioware is ready to write Cerberus into absolute black just for the sake of an easy plot twist. They proved with Loghain that they can craft really complex dark gray plots. I imagine they will continue this with TIM.