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[Someone With Mass]

TIM has Reaper tech inside his body too, or at least been exposed, so indoctrination is not that far-fetched.

[piemanz]

I'm convinced TIM used reaper tech to bring shep back from the dead.We already know he had a team on the derelict reaper so we know he had access to the tech.

Now i'm not sure how it will tie in but shepard possibly being part Reaper counld be a big part of the the reason.

If you blew up the base it could just be revenge, and if you kept it, he may need you to interface with it or something.

But who knows it could be anything.

[Zulu_DFA]

Someone With Mass wrote...

TIM has Reaper tech inside his body too, or at least been exposed, so indoctrination is not that far-fetched.

And Shepard probably has Collector tech implanted in him.

[piemanz]

Someone With Mass wrote...

TIM has Reaper tech inside his body too, or at least been exposed, so indoctrination is not that far-fetched.

Thats, a good point.

I'm sure it was object Rho that did that to TIM, and we know that object Rho was reacting to the reapers proximity in Arrival, so maybe TIM is doing the same.

Modifié par piemanz, 08 avril 2011 - 07:23 .

[Asch Lavigne]

I'm sure they'll explain it considering lots of people remained on friendly terms with Cerberus. There is also probably stuff that happened between ME2 and ME3 besides Shadow Broker and Arrival that we are not aware of yet.

I was assuming Bioware would give Shep back to the Alliance, having ME3 where you either still worked for either the Alliance or Cerberus would be way too much of a difference in plot. Plus well all knew TIM was up to something. He probably (even if you sided with Cerberus) considers you a liability, you've served your purpose so bye bye. Or he wants to kill you to keep you from discovering some secret he has, that wouldn't surprise me.

As one who destroyed the base and then told TIM to **** off I welcome this little game. Bring it on Cerberus! I just really hope they allow me to kill TIM.

Modifié par Asch Lavigne, 08 avril 2011 - 07:23 .

[Manic Sheep]

Someone With Mass wrote...

TIM has Reaper tech inside his body too, or at least been exposed, so indoctrination is not that far-fetched.

Far-fetched: no. Cheap: yes
Edit: cheap, not cheep. TIM is not a bird. *Head desk*

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 08 avril 2011 - 07:26 .

[RiouHotaru]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

AshiraShepard wrote...

Shepard was a pawn.

That's affirmative.

But it still makes no sense for *my* Shepard, for instance, who is Human-supremacist and recognizes TIM's authority in all matters strategic. In other words, he is not standing in TIM's way.

This is a double plot hole: it makes no sense for TIM to kill him, but it would be very easy to do so by luring him into any kind of trap just by summonin him there.

In any case, either TIM doesn't want to survive the Reaper invasion (he is somehow indoctrinated), or thinks that Shepard may be detrimental to that goal (Shepard is indoctrinated).

Here's the problem Zulu.  At the end of ME2, even the Renegade ending has Shepard going "We're going to do this MY way, so fall in line, TIM."  Shepard believes (s)he should be running the show since (s)he has the most experience dealing with this or something to that effect.

There's always the possibility that Shepard is a liability now in TIM's eyes.  So much Cerberus tech and secrets (especially with EDI no longer having the blocks on her memory) in one person's hands is a dangerous thing since there's no guarantee (again, in TIM's eyes) Shepard won't eventually try to leave or double-cross him.

Also, while you would like your Shepard to not be confrontational towards TIM, it seems the narrative won't allow that to happen.  TIM appears to be a secondary antagonist and there's nothing you can do about it.  But do note this doesn't equate to "plot-hole" or "weakness of the writing".  Not every single possible outcome or reason can be accounted for.

[JamieCOTC]

Same reason Shep had to join Cerberus in the first place, "the rule of cool." <_<

Maybe Shep will have an "awesome button" to defeat them.

[Dave of Canada]

I'm personally thinking they've gone with the stupid bat on Cerberus again, the writers seem intent on pleasing the general forum poster that wants Cerberus dead because they are "evil" or whatever.

Cerberus suddenly wanting Shepard dead for no reason makes no sense with any of the endings in ME2, even the Paragon one where you blow him off, because he sees past it and even the novel outright says he considers working with Shepard again.

Now we're forced to believe that the logical Cerberus abandons everything for the sake of "kill shepard lol"? I'll be less upset if this was a variation (provided it doesn't make much sense even as paragon) depending on your Collector Base choice but... if my pro-Cerberus Shepard has to fight them, I'll rip my hair out in frustration.

The writers should be keeping the gray area, not making it black and white like the average forums poster wants.

[ErebUs890]

Isn't it obvious that the Illusive Man has his own plans?

[Dave of Canada]

ErebUs890 wrote...

Isn't it obvious that the Illusive Man has his own plans?

And he understands that his plans are meaningless if the Reapers win.

[DeathScepter]

that is why it is stupid as hell for them to try to kill Shep

[Infinite Legend_]

ErebUs890 wrote...

Isn't it obvious that the Illusive Man has his own plans?

To waste billions of credits bringing Shepard  back to life along with his/her ship( over 140 billion in credits)

don't sound like a smart plane to me.

[Zulu_DFA]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

AshiraShepard wrote...

Shepard was a pawn.

That's affirmative.

But it still makes no sense for *my* Shepard, for instance, who is Human-supremacist and recognizes TIM's authority in all matters strategic. In other words, he is not standing in TIM's way.

This is a double plot hole: it makes no sense for TIM to kill him, but it would be very easy to do so by luring him into any kind of trap just by summonin him there.

In any case, either TIM doesn't want to survive the Reaper invasion (he is somehow indoctrinated), or thinks that Shepard may be detrimental to that goal (Shepard is indoctrinated).

Here's the problem Zulu.  At the end of ME2, even the Renegade ending has Shepard going "We're going to do this MY way, so fall in line, TIM."  Shepard believes (s)he should be running the show since (s)he has the most experience dealing with this or something to that effect.

There's always the possibility that Shepard is a liability now in TIM's eyes.  So much Cerberus tech and secrets (especially with EDI no longer having the blocks on her memory) in one person's hands is a dangerous thing since there's no guarantee (again, in TIM's eyes) Shepard won't eventually try to leave or double-cross him.

Also, while you would like your Shepard to not be confrontational towards TIM, it seems the narrative won't allow that to happen.  TIM appears to be a secondary antagonist and there's nothing you can do about it.  But do note this doesn't equate to "plot-hole" or "weakness of the writing".  Not every single possible outcome or reason can be accounted for.

Not my Shepard. There is a way to be mildy defiant but still non-confrontational in the last dialogue, and it still doesn't make any sens for TIM to kill even the most unreasonable Shepard, as long as the Reapers are out there. How can it be bad, if your alien-lovig Shepard draggs some more of his alien buddies to die in battle?

Say what you will about the narrative, but it hasn't provided a motive for TIM to commit resources (strained due to Anderson's actions) to killing Shepard while the Reapers are out there.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 08 avril 2011 - 07:35 .

[RiouHotaru]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

AshiraShepard wrote...

Shepard was a pawn.

That's affirmative.

But it still makes no sense for *my* Shepard, for instance, who is Human-supremacist and recognizes TIM's authority in all matters strategic. In other words, he is not standing in TIM's way.

This is a double plot hole: it makes no sense for TIM to kill him, but it would be very easy to do so by luring him into any kind of trap just by summonin him there.

In any case, either TIM doesn't want to survive the Reaper invasion (he is somehow indoctrinated), or thinks that Shepard may be detrimental to that goal (Shepard is indoctrinated).

Here's the problem Zulu.  At the end of ME2, even the Renegade ending has Shepard going "We're going to do this MY way, so fall in line, TIM."  Shepard believes (s)he should be running the show since (s)he has the most experience dealing with this or something to that effect.

There's always the possibility that Shepard is a liability now in TIM's eyes.  So much Cerberus tech and secrets (especially with EDI no longer having the blocks on her memory) in one person's hands is a dangerous thing since there's no guarantee (again, in TIM's eyes) Shepard won't eventually try to leave or double-cross him.

Also, while you would like your Shepard to not be confrontational towards TIM, it seems the narrative won't allow that to happen.  TIM appears to be a secondary antagonist and there's nothing you can do about it.  But do note this doesn't equate to "plot-hole" or "weakness of the writing".  Not every single possible outcome or reason can be accounted for.

Not my Shepard. There is a way to be mildy defiant but still non-confrontational in the last dialogue, and it still doesn't make any sens for TIM to kill even the most unreasonable Shepard, as long as the Reapers are out there. How can it be bad, if your alien-lovig Shepard draggs some more of his alien buddies to die in battle?

Say what you will about the narrative, but it hasn't provided a motive for TIM to commit resources (strained due to Anderson's actions) to killing Shepard while the Reapers are out there.

Again, it could simply be that TIM has decided you're more a liability now than potential ally.  We don't know how far into the story it goes before TIM decides you need to die.  It could be that the point at which it occurs is placed in a manner where it WILL make sense.  It's not like the Reapers will start invading Earth and TIM instantly goes "I want Shepard's head on a platter, NOW!"  I'm sure there will be a logical explanation for his sudden change of heart.

[Fixers0]

Because the plot demanded it to be so.

they were our alies in part 2, now sticking with the same faction would be to dull, and since about 3/4 of the players didn't liked to forced to work with them, the writers thought it would be cool, to make them hunt down shepard.

Modifié par Fixers0, 08 avril 2011 - 07:47 .

[SmokePants]

TIM is upset because he didn't have a space hamster to show him where the bathroom was and now he's constipated and cranky.

[Zulu_DFA]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Again, it could simply be that TIM has decided you're more a liability now than potential ally.  We don't know how far into the story it goes before TIM decides you need to die.

And again there is no sense in "taking care" of the liabilities, as long as it's not going to matter anyway when everybody dies.

And again it disregards the fact that Shepard, through his actions may prove that he is unlikely to become a liability to Cerberus.

And again, even if TIM does think Shepard is "drifting", he is still known to push people to the limit until they actively betray him, and even then sometimes continue to use them.

RiouHotaru wrote...

It could be that the point at which it occurs is placed in a manner where it WILL make sense.  It's not like the Reapers will start invading Earth and TIM instantly goes "I want Shepard's head on a platter, NOW!"  I'm sure there will be a logical explanation for his sudden change of heart.

There better be.

Because there is one plot hole in ME3 already, and a big contrivance.

[Giggles_Manically]

Smudboy voice: -snerk- Logic in Mass Effect? I think not /smudboy voice.

Could just be for people who blew up the base since those scans talked about only playing one game right?

[ErebUs890]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

There better be.

Because there is one plot hole in ME3 already, and a big contrivance.

You're like a constant downer, huh?

[Randy1012]

Cerberus are chasing Shepard because Cerberus are bad guys, not good guys. They've never been good guys. They only resurrected Shepard for their own purposes, and whichever decision Shepard made at the end of ME2, they don't need him anymore.

[RiouHotaru]

There better be.
Because there is one plot hole in ME3 already, and a big contrivance.

...What plothole, oh, you mean Earth?  Yeah, that's...not a plothole.  But this isn't the thread for that.

[Ahriman]

Randy1083 wrote...

 They've never been good guys. They only resurrected Shepard for their own purposes

Yeah, and these purposes are on the way to Earth.

[Randy1012]

Wizz wrote...

Randy1083 wrote...

They've never been good guys. They only resurrected Shepard for their own purposes

Yeah, and these purposes are on the way to Earth.

And now that Shepard has given them the Collector Base (presumably), Cerberus doesn't need Shepard anymore. With his growing power and influence in the galaxy, he's becoming a potential threat to Cerberus. It's better for Cerberus to eliminate both him and the Reapers, if they can.

[ErebUs890]

Wizz wrote...

Randy1083 wrote...

 They've never been good guys. They only resurrected Shepard for their own purposes

Yeah, and these purposes are on the way to Earth.

I think it was quite obvious that Cerberus only wanted the collector base....