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[Ahriman]

Randy1083 wrote...

Wizz wrote...

Randy1083 wrote...

They've never been good guys. They only resurrected Shepard for their own purposes

Yeah, and these purposes are on the way to Earth.

And now that Shepard has given them the Collector Base (presumably), Cerberus doesn't need Shepard anymore. With his growing power and influence in the galaxy, he's becoming a potential threat to Cerberus. It's better for Cerberus to eliminate both him and the Reapers, if they can.

Collector Base won't save them from Reapers.
TIM knew nothing about Base when started Lazarus Project.
"Growing power"? Shepard was a pawn whole two parts.

[Apocalypse89]

My incredibly vague theory: Cerberus has their own plan to stop the Reapers, and for whatever reason they see Shepard(and whatever plan he has to do the same) as flawed and/or obstructive to their own and ultimately endangering to humanity.

[Dave of Canada]

Randy1083 wrote...

Cerberus are chasing Shepard because Cerberus are bad guys, not good guys.

Right then, I guess Renegade Shepard is also a bad guy? You can't simply everything to the label of "good" or "bad", if you do then you're missing the point of Cerberus.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 08 avril 2011 - 08:15 .

[The_Illusive]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Randy1083 wrote...

Cerberus are chasing Shepard because Cerberus are bad guys, not good guys.

Right then, I guess Renegade Shepard is also a bad guy? You can't simply everything to the label of "good" or "bad", if you do then you're missing the point of Cerberus.

True. it's like little children choosing the 'evil guys' and the 'good guys'

[The BS Police]

Have you even seein the renagade ending for ME2? Eitherway you go with the Collector Base the Lazarus Cell goes rogue. Hell Shepard even says that if TIM get's a power trip or can't keep up he will finish the job without Cerberus.

[Marta Rio]

I've always figured that TIM was ultimately going to side with the Reapers, because the Reapers offer humanity the chance to achieve god-like status.  Sort of the ultimate way to assure human dominance in the galaxy (even if it's some altered form of humanity).  I think I posted this in the forums, and then was shot down because "No, TIM hates the Reapers and would never ever side with them." 

In light of this new information, maybe TIM is coming around to the Reapers' way of thinking.  Or they offer him some sort of deal - e.g. he gets to keep some form of consciousness in a new Reaper body.   It would be interesting to have a character that buys into what the Reapers are doing without being indoctrinated (although I'm not sure TIM's the right character for this).

[Wulfram]

Because he's an idiot.

[ThemFlashlight-headedThings]

I knid of want to think that TIM acted in prevention of something that he knew was going to happen or something that happened to him ht he cannot control. Say indoctrination, he set you out on this mission (me2) knowing that he didn't have much time left before he went insane. And he does become indoctrinated fully in ME3. I haven't read the article so I dont know if it says that Cerberus is chasing Shepard from the beginning or not. My other idea is that TIM has somehow lost controlf Cerberus; coup, rogue group, Harbinger somehow "assumed control" of the cerberus comm signals and told the troops that Shepad was a target. I think there is a lot more solutions that Bioware can go down to make this work.

Modifié par ThemFlashlight-headedThings, 08 avril 2011 - 08:53 .

[Bad King]

Poll on this topic: http://social.biowar...5&poll_id=18180

But I do hope that BioWare use something similar to Zulu's theory in justifying Cerberus's aggression towards Shepard. It would totally suck if they just became generic Team Rocket baddies.

Modifié par Bad King, 08 avril 2011 - 08:54 .

[Sanakins]

Gotta love how everyone flips out after one preview which showed only a fraction of the default story. For all we know, a renegade could be siding with Cerberus during the trial (Fairly sure working with a terrorist organization is going to be one of the major charges) and then work with 'm through-out the game while the Alliance hunts you.

Just sayin', don't start fussin' till we actually get some more leaks.

[Skid606]

Personal opinion- Have you seen TIM's eyes? He's already a reaper!

[Dune01]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I support Saren 2.0 theory.  Nice one, Zulu.

What is exactly Saren 2.0 theory if I may know?

[Seboist]

Dune01 wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I support Saren 2.0 theory.  Nice one, Zulu.

What is exactly Saren 2.0 theory if I may know?

Shep being a rogue Spectre with an army of Geth,Rachni and Krogan.

[AlbertoAquilani]

Dune01 wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I support Saren 2.0 theory.  Nice one, Zulu.

What is exactly Saren 2.0 theory if I may know?

That Shepard becomes what Saren became, a Reaper pawn.

[The BS Police]

Seboist wrote...

Dune01 wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I support Saren 2.0 theory.  Nice one, Zulu.

What is exactly Saren 2.0 theory if I may know?

Shep being a rogue Spectre with an army of Geth,Rachni and Krogan.

Diffirence is we are trying to defeat a bunch of genocidal machines... not bring them back!

[Labrev]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

(If it's even true)

Maybe finally TIM figured out what the Reapers want with Shepard, and decided that it is imperative that they don't get it.

Kinda like all the "Modern Secret Tampliers vs. would-be Antichrist" plots.

This is, of course, just me, under the impression of The Devil's Advocete I rewatched yesterday, and how Keanu Reaves fooled Al Pacino in the final scene there. The scene immediately reminded me of the possible Shepard is Saren-2 plot.

*looks at "Paragons click here" and laughs*

[Labrev]

Cerberus has long been said to have a "history of betrayal." I have no clue how/why they've been labeled that, but it's something that should have raised a red flag all along.

For two, you don't know anything about Cerberus or TIM. So why anyone ever trusted them from the start is naiive.

For me, I had no issue with Cerberus/TIM until the final decision about the C-Base. I don't care that he lied to me before sending me off on several missions, and put others in danger in the process, but in the end I could tell that he was just after the Collector tech. TIM is a master manipulator, he thought he'd fool you into giving him that base.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Or maybe TIM's just mad that you blew up their best change to stop the reapers, stole his ship, stole his crew, stole his AI, and returned to the Alliance.  Maybe?

[Almostfaceman]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Or maybe TIM's just mad that you blew up their best change to stop the reapers, stole his ship, stole his crew, stole his AI, and returned to the Alliance.  Maybe?

You can't really steal what you've already been given.  Just sayin'.  Now the base... yes he'll be pissed if you blow it up.

[Bad King]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Cerberus has long been said to have a "history of betrayal." I have no clue how/why they've been labeled that, but it's something that should have raised a red flag all along.

For two, you don't know anything about Cerberus or TIM. So why anyone ever trusted them from the start is naiive.

For me, I had no issue with Cerberus/TIM until the final decision about the C-Base. I don't care that he lied to me before sending me off on several missions, and put others in danger in the process, but in the end I could tell that he was just after the Collector tech. TIM is a master manipulator, he thought he'd fool you into giving him that base.

Still, if you destroy the base and then die during the SM, he doesn't seem that bothered and claims that despite Shepard's idealistic nature, the destruction of the CB was a victory and that humanity are "nothing if not resilient".

Modifié par Bad King, 08 avril 2011 - 09:34 .

[Dave of Canada]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Or maybe TIM's just mad that you blew up their best change to stop the reapers, stole his ship, stole his crew, stole his AI, and returned to the Alliance.  Maybe?

I didn't return to the Alliance and TIM isn't stupid enough to risk the entire galaxy.

[Khayness]

It's gonna be handwaved by something introduced in the 4th Evolution issue!

[Bad King]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Or maybe TIM's just mad that you blew up their best change to stop the reapers, stole his ship, stole his crew, stole his AI, and returned to the Alliance.  Maybe?

I didn't return to the Alliance and TIM isn't stupid enough to risk the entire galaxy.

Also, even if Cerberus did manage to kill Shepard, they would get nothing out of it. When there are reapers on earth's doorstep, it would be incredibly silly if Cerberus suddenly decided to try and kill Shepard just to fulfill some sort of petty revenge especially when it's a mission that's doomed to fail.

Modifié par Bad King, 08 avril 2011 - 09:42 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Or maybe TIM's just mad that you blew up their best change to stop the reapers, stole his ship, stole his crew, stole his AI, and returned to the Alliance.  Maybe?

I didn't return to the Alliance and TIM isn't stupid enough to risk the entire galaxy.

You do a mission for the Alliance/Hackett.  Now you may not have officially became an Alliance soldier again but you do continue taking missions from them essentially. 

Almostfaceman wrote...
You can't really steal what you've already been given.  Just sayin'.  Now the base... yes he'll be pissed if you blow it up.

If your Shepard dies, TIM makes it clear that that's "his" ship and even orders Joker to return it.  Shepard was allowed to use it for the mission and while they were working together.