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[candidate88766]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

(If it's even true)

Maybe finally TIM figured out what the Reapers want with Shepard, and decided that it is imperative that they don't get it.

Kinda like all the "Modern Secret Tampliers vs. would-be Antichrist" plots.

This is, of course, just me, under the impression of The Devil's Advocete I rewatched yesterday, and how Keanu Reaves fooled Al Pacino in the final scene there. The scene immediately reminded me of the possible Shepard is Saren-2 plot.

I like this idea. Do you mean as in TIM hunting you for the greater good? That the Reapers perhaps depend on something Shepard has? Could link back to the Cipher from ME1.

[Dean_the_Young]

While I've no doubt this question is going to be raised constantly until release, I'd like to offer one dissuasion up front:

Whatever the Reason, 'Shepard knowing too much' is almost certainly not it. Shepard is already outside of TIM's reach, and can communicate/leave dead-man's-drops at any stage. Along with Liara being Shadow Broker, if Shepard wants something to get out... killing him won't stop it.


That said, I reserve skepticism until otherwise proven.

Who, for example, is telling us that Cerberus is after Shepard? Are they even correct, or might this be a false flag? If they are correct, is this a TIM-sanctioned operation or someone else's initiative? How has Cerberus tried to do this? Is assassination even their goal, as opposed to forcing Shepard to keep his head down? How long has this occured? 


We can go to the lazy 'TIM has no use for Shepard anymore' or 'Cerberus is indoctrinated' arguments, but with what we have we can just as well provide others.

Cerberus knows why the Reapers want Shepard, and have placed a priority on denying it to them.

In the interim, Shepard 'stuck it to Cerberus' in some unknown action and Cerberus is retaliating.

Or it could be a false flag operation.

Or, my favorite, Cerberus isn't actually trying to kill Shepard per see, but by forcing him to keep his head down they are keeping Shepard out of sight (and alive), with the intent towards driving him to what may well be the safest place in the galaxy for him: an Alliance courtroom. A case of 'we don't think we could actually kill you, but we could cause you to react in the way we want you to.'

[Mr Plow]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

No, much simpler than that;

Shepard blows up base=TIM angry

Shepard keeps base=TIM indoctrinated

That sounds more like it. Not far from how decisions are handled usually. It just requires a dialogue line change here and there, so the main story can remain the same.

that would work although it would need more than one or two dialogue lines to be changed, at least a few different cut scenes to do the diverging paths justice of revenge or indoctrination

[woods26]

I thought shep cut ties with cerberus at the end of ME2?

[Last Vizard]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

(If it's even true)

Maybe finally TIM figured out what the Reapers want with Shepard, and decided that it is imperative that they don't get it.

Kinda like all the "Modern Secret Tampliers vs. would-be Antichrist" plots.

This is, of course, just me, under the impression of The Devil's Advocete I rewatched yesterday, and how Keanu Reaves fooled Al Pacino in the final scene there. The scene immediately reminded me of the possible Shepard is Saren-2 plot.

good movie, as you said TIM would need a good reason to kill shep considering all the money he spent bringing him back.

[N7Infernox]

On the Normandy, post-crew abduction, EDI can reveal (secret) detailed info about the makeup/ structure of Cerberus.

During the story, The Illusive man risks your life/ lies to you at Horizon & the Collector Cruiser.
If you blew up the base at the end, you gave Illusive man the finger.
If you saved the base, the Illusive man puts on an evil smile (and you still have the option to shut him up)

How are people surprised that Cerberus is coming after us?

[HunterX6]

candidate88766 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

(If it's even true)

Maybe finally TIM figured out what the Reapers want with Shepard, and decided that it is imperative that they don't get it.

Kinda like all the "Modern Secret Tampliers vs. would-be Antichrist" plots.

This is, of course, just me, under the impression of The Devil's Advocete I rewatched yesterday, and how Keanu Reaves fooled Al Pacino in the final scene there. The scene immediately reminded me of the possible Shepard is Saren-2 plot.

I like this idea. Do you mean as in TIM hunting you for the greater good? That the Reapers perhaps depend on something Shepard has? Could link back to the Cipher from ME1.

excatly i think the cipher will play a role, maybe there is still some prothean secret out there.

[Mylene]

i dont see why TIM would want to kill shepard unless shepard him/herself is a threat to the humanity.

[KotOREffecT]

Big Mac Heart Attack wrote...

But I'm of the opinion either he or the magazine is wrong. I'd rather team up with TIM and get revenge on Anderson.

Who knows, that could quite possibly go down at some point in the game, like a scene where you can betray Anderson and kill him then team up with TIM or something along those lines later in the game.

I have a feeling that a few major characters could dramatically die in an epic scene. Something like Virmire again. Which leads me to TIM/Anderson scene..

[Bluko]

It's actually really simple.

Normandy SR2 > Shepard

Seriously not only did the Normandy likely cost 10 times as much as Shepard to make, but it's also likely the most advanced ship in the galaxy. Frankly Shepard isn't diddly squat without the Normandy to ride around in. Shepard's great and all, but T.I.M. has always valued the Normandy more.

[Prince of Kemet]

Maybe it's someone else who wants to take over Cerberus by eliminating TIM, Shep, Miranda, Jacob...etc.

[Wolverfrog]

We know he was almost made a husk in the first contact war after coming near an Object Rho-esque artefact, but I didn't think it had done anything except change his physiology a little.

Hopefully the Illusive Man's iron will coupled with the husk-process being only partial means he can fight the indoctrination eventually, maybe the Reapers will order him to kill Shepard (when Shepard inevitably storms the Illusive Man's base) and he fights the impulse, like that guy on Feros did but with less suicide. It'd be awesome if his status as partially-indoctrinated means he can still act for himself yet still see what the Reapers are doing.

That could be a great plot point. It would give Shepard and co. the edge they need too. Because I can't see Bioware just making the Illusive Man yet another mindless, indoctrinated slave. He's too awesome for that.

[Fiery Phoenix]

woods26 wrote...

I thought shep cut ties with cerberus at the end of ME2?

Not necessarily. Depends on what decisions you make -- although no matter what options you select, there is always a hint on Cerberus and Shepard parting ways in one form or another.

[Seboist]

N7Infernox wrote...

On the Normandy, post-crew abduction, EDI can reveal (secret) detailed info about the makeup/ structure of Cerberus.

During the story, The Illusive man risks your life/ lies to you at Horizon & the Collector Cruiser.
If you blew up the base at the end, you gave Illusive man the finger.
If you saved the base, the Illusive man puts on an evil smile (and you still have the option to shut him up)

How are people surprised that Cerberus is coming after us?

Because TIM has an admiration for Shepard and is seen mourning his/her death in the bad ending regardless of what happens to CB. Then there's that whole business of it being in the middle of a reaper invasion of all things.

[Chuvvy]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

No, much simpler than that;

Shepard blows up base=TIM angry

Shepard keeps base=TIM indoctrinated

Doesn't work like that.

I think you might be overesstemating the writeing capablity of Mac Walters.

[jbblue05]

TIM attacking base destroyers doesn't make sense at all.  TIM is not stupid he knows Shepard is valuable in the fight against the Reapers with or without the base.

Their can only be two legitimate reasons to attack Shepard.  Indoctrination or Shepard is aiding the Reapers plans unknowingly.

Please Bioware don' give a stupid reason like TIM is angry  Derp!    just to make Cerberus haters happy

[Seboist]

jbblue05 wrote...

TIM attacking base destroyers doesn't make sense at all.  TIM is not stupid he knows Shepard is valuable in the fight against the Reapers with or without the base.

Their can only be two legitimate reasons to attack Shepard.  Indoctrination or Shepard is aiding the Reapers plans unknowingly.

Please Bioware don' give a stupid reason like TIM is angry  Derp!    just to make Cerberus haters happy

Yeah and when Shep destroys the base TIM says "Don't turn your back on me!" not "I"LL GET YOU FOR THIS!!!!!".

[jbblue05]

Seboist wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

TIM attacking base destroyers doesn't make sense at all.  TIM is not stupid he knows Shepard is valuable in the fight against the Reapers with or without the base.

Their can only be two legitimate reasons to attack Shepard.  Indoctrination or Shepard is aiding the Reapers plans unknowingly.

Please Bioware don' give a stupid reason like TIM is angry  Derp!    just to make Cerberus haters happy

Yeah and when Shep destroys the base TIM says "Don't turn your back on me!" not "I"LL GET YOU FOR THIS!!!!!".

Zaaed killed 50+ Cerberus operatives

Jack  destoyed Teltin Facility and killed her share of Cerberus Operatives

Shepard attacks Cerberus in ME1 and they bring SHepard back to life

Cerberus has an anti-alien reputation but employs and work with aliens



So TIM attacking Shepard over a personal grudge makes no sense because all evidence points to TIM putting the past behind him and cooperating when their are bigger are bigger fish to fry 

[Kamikaze 738]

There must be something big at stake for Cerberus to be hunting down Shepard... I mean I really dun think TIM would even try to take down the guy who defeated Saren and Sovereign unless its something of great value. Cause Shepard and his allies has more than enough resources to take down Cerberus.... and it cant be personal as TIM doesnt care about those things :/

Modifié par Kamikaze 738, 10 avril 2011 - 11:42 .

[Gingi]

i just hope it wont turn out something like matrix,i really dont:(

[AlbertoAquilani]

Gingi wrote...

i just hope it wont turn out something like matrix,i really dont:(

Umm, elaborate?

[squibulon]

Wolverfrog wrote...

My best guess is that the Illusive Man believes Shepard is a danger if the Reapers get their proverbial hands on him. If I remember correctly the Prothean Reaper failed. And the Collectors are all dead or their transformation changed them too much. So the Reapers don't really have the Prothean Cipher, do they? Shepard's the only being alive who does. Perhaps the Protheans left something behind which the Reapers want, and Shepard's the only one who can unlock it.

I can see that as being a viable reason for the Illusive Man to want him dead.

If this information about cerberus is true this has to be the only logical conclusion. There is no (or very little) evidence to believe the illusive man is not sincere about his goals to save humanity and I really doubt they will just throw the indoctrinated spin on him. Even if the player is renegade shep he obviously doesn't want to be captured or killed by cerberus. Although it depends on sheps value to the reapers; is he more of a value in the fight against them or is his possible capture an absolute attrocity for the organics? It would be very plausible that shep has some knowledge the protheans found that is a threat to the continued reaper cycle. But if this were the case would TIM care about future generations or just our own? The mind boggles... Although you also could say that this information will help our generation too, if it's valuable enough.

Modifié par squibulon, 11 avril 2011 - 12:24 .

[DingoEffect]

Could the star that TIM orbits be controlling him? For instance, at the end of ME2, TIM want's you to keep the Collector base because of the valuable tech that the Reapers don't wanna lose. Keeping the base or not they still want you dead.