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[Jonathan Shepard]

N7Infernox wrote...

On the Normandy, post-crew abduction, EDI can reveal (secret) detailed info about the makeup/ structure of Cerberus.

During the story, The Illusive man risks your life/ lies to you at Horizon & the Collector Cruiser.
If you blew up the base at the end, you gave Illusive man the finger.
If you saved the base, the Illusive man puts on an evil smile (and you still have the option to shut him up)

How are people surprised that Cerberus is coming after us?

Not really surprised, just annoyed that GameInformer is making it seem like TIM hates you right out of the box. I'm hoping we're forced to take action against Cerberus in ME3 even if we kept the base due to circumstance and THAT'S why TIM starts hunting Shepard. That way, BioWare isn't retconning the ability to "side" with Cerberus at the end of Me2.

[DxWill10]

It makes me laugh when people say things like "well *MY* shepard would never do this.." or something going in the opposite direction the writers have taken it. You are NOT shepard. Your Shepard can have different personalities and methods, but it's still a streamlined character. Whether you want your Shepard to work w/ TIM is irrelevant. According to the last dialogue with TIM (again, regardless of para/renegade) You tell him it's your way or the high way. Cerberus and TIM are trying to kill Shepard, regardless of whether you want them to or not.

Just b/c you want your shepard to be different from what the writers intend does not make it true

[CulturalGeekGirl]

I don't WANT this to be the explanation but, other than "cerberus is indoctrinated" (which I know everyone hates), this is the best reason I've heard so far.

When bringing you back to life, Cerberus used reaper tech in rebuilding you. You're basically an indoctrination ticking time bomb, they don't know what the thing they put into you will make you do, or how long you can last with it inside you. So they got to find you and figure out if they can "defuse" it, or they've got to kill you before you get indoctrinated.

[Dean_the_Young]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

I don't WANT this to be the explanation but, other than "cerberus is indoctrinated" (which I know everyone hates), this is the best reason I've heard so far.

You don't like the 'Cerberus is chasing you to make you flee to the Alliance, where you'll actually be safer'?

When bringing you back to life, Cerberus used reaper tech in rebuilding you.

When was this ever implied or said?

[Kaiser Shepard]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

I don't WANT this to be the explanation but, other than "cerberus is indoctrinated" (which I know everyone hates), this is the best reason I've heard so far.

You don't like the 'Cerberus is chasing you to make you flee to the Alliance, where you'll actually be safer'?

When bringing you back to life, Cerberus used reaper tech in rebuilding you.

When was this ever implied or said?

The eyes, man, the eyes.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

I don't WANT this to be the explanation but, other than "cerberus is indoctrinated" (which I know everyone hates), this is the best reason I've heard so far.

You don't like the 'Cerberus is chasing you to make you flee to the Alliance, where you'll actually be safer'?

When bringing you back to life, Cerberus used reaper tech in rebuilding you.

When was this ever implied or said

Oh, I'm fine with the "Cerberus is 'chasing' you in order to restore your credibility," idea. They realize that your affiliation was hurting you, so they free you of it. I think that's almost a little TOO easy, if that's all it turns out to be, but maybe I've just seen too many vids where that was a plot device.

As for the Reaper thing, it's just a theory I've seen discussed on this board a few times. There's no evidence at all, though some people point to your glowing eyes if you go Renegade looking similar to Saren's. But really, glowing eyes are just COOL, man. I do think it's intereting to think about, though I do not want.

[Lvl20DM]

Whatever the reason, it seems to be a major plot-point. I'm wondering if it isn't explained for part of the game - it's just one of the mysteries we're dealing with.

The GI article made it sound as though Cerberus' motivation would not be spoiled at all. We'll have to play the game to find out. I'm not so they won't let it slip, though.

[Kusy]

Because they're dickweeds?

[RiouHotaru]

It's possible that TIM has his own plan for confronting the Reapers, one that might allow him to gank their tech or something and secure human dominance. Problem is Shepard's idea of just stopping the invasion cold runs counter to that. So sadly, Shepard has to go.

[karatemanchan37]

Maybe because TIM want Shepard to stay at Earth and fight - but Shepard wants more allies to recruit

[IrishSpectre257]

TIM is a partial husk. I don't think Mac would have introduced that into the plot unless he planned to build on it. They could have just said his eyes were implants, but now that he's a husk, there's the possibility of indoctrination.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Honestly, I'm pretty gorram Paragon (take a look at a lot of my past arguments here), and I badly hope that Cerberus isn't just blanket evil or incompetent.

It would make them so much less interesting.

One of the big questions my Shepard asks herself is this... is there a need for an organization like Cerberus? Do they fulfill a valuable function in the universe?  Without them, I'd be dead. But that doesn't mean they're needed beyond that. Can such an organization be redeemed, or replaced, like Special Tasks replacing the League of One?

[karatemanchan37]

IrishSpectre257 wrote...

TIM is a partial husk. I don't think Mac would have introduced that into the plot unless he planned to build on it. They could have just said his eyes were implants, but now that he's a husk, there's the possibility of indoctrination.

That's actually a damn good theory - but the indoctrinated part doesn't make sense if he doesn't get control of the base, and having him being part husk shouldn't mean hes got his own mind right?

[ErebUs890]

Cerberus are bad guys, that's all there is to it. just because you sided with Cerberus all through ME2, does not mean that you can side with the bad guys. It just doesn't work that way.

[GodWood]

ErebUs890 wrote...
Cerberus are bad guys, that's all there is to it. just because you sided with Cerberus all through ME2, does not mean that you can side with the bad guys. It just doesn't work that way.

Well I guess some of us hope Bioware isn't as black and white as that.

[ErebUs890]

GodWood wrote...

ErebUs890 wrote...
Cerberus are bad guys, that's all there is to it. just because you sided with Cerberus all through ME2, does not mean that you can side with the bad guys. It just doesn't work that way.

Well I guess some of us hope Bioware isn't as black and white as that.

But you don't know why Cerberus is after Shepard. What if they did something REALLY bad?

[ErebUs890]

michaelrsa wrote...

GodWood wrote...
Well I guess some of us hope Bioware isn't as black and white as that.

For me it's just that Cerberus has been portraited as too comically incompetent in the entire series for me to take them seriously as anything but an antagonist.

I'm having difficulty right now thinking of any Cerberus project that hasn't gone to hell.

Well they did bring back Shepard, but oh... now they're out to get him... 

Modifié par ErebUs890, 11 avril 2011 - 04:32 .

[GodWood]

ErebUs890 wrote...
But you don't know why Cerberus is after Shepard. What if they did something REALLY bad?

Like?

michaelrsa wrote...
I'm having difficulty right now thinking of any Cerberus project that hasn't gone to hell.

Shepard

[GodWood]

michaelrsa wrote...

GodWood wrote...
Shepard

It went straight to hell before the end.

T'was still a success.

Honestly, the Council is the only organization that is realistic in my books. Wanting hard evidence that the Reapers exist instead of out right believing a man who saw them in a vision and claims that a single dreadnought is proof of a massive invasion force sitting on the edge of the galaxy?

They're also incredibly racist.

Modifié par GodWood, 11 avril 2011 - 04:45 .