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[David Gaider]

Serpieri Nei wrote...
Well, its clear that choices made in the first game simply don't mater.

Because if not every choice matters, that means none of them do. Clearly.

Modifié par David Gaider, 08 avril 2011 - 08:43 .

[Camenae]

I WAS angry about the amount of closure the ending gave me, but now that I think back on it I think I know what I need to know. Champion's not dead but is off with love interest somewhere.

I was watching House season 7 the other day and this one episode where House treats the writer of the Jack Cannon series really scared me. Even after he cured her of her physical AND mental burdens, the author still was content leaving the whole series off on a cliffhanger. She said that way the reader is free to imagine his/her own ending as to what happened to Jack Cannon. My reaction was the same as House's: "Nooooooooooo!"

I really hope that's not what ends up happening. I'm not one for writing fanfiction. I need to know what happens in canon.

[Fallstar]

David Gaider wrote...

krissyjf wrote...
If Bioware only planned to do a trilogy of DA games

Is there any particular reason you think this is our plan?

Please dear god/maker/whatever make it the dragon age saga or cycle or something...not just a trilogy, because you guys have got such huge potential with this story

[DanteCousland]

To me to have something as engrossing as DAO and then to have a sequel like DA2 just makes me dissapointed more than anything else. I'm just kind of left feeling like "Meh". I really do hope they start clearing up plot points before introducing new ones because the more "Balls they have in the air" so to speak the harder its going to be to keep track of them and incorporate everyones decisions.

It's the characters, I think that's the main thing. In DAO I was connected to the characters In DA2 I wasn't, and I'm not the only one I've seen multiple reviewers (Both professional and amateur) mention this.

[namedforthemoon]

It really felt, based on the ending of the game, whether you side with the mages or the templars, that there would be more to Hawke's story. Maybe in an Awakening-style expansion, maybe in a whole new game. I hope this feeling is correct.

[Addai]

namedforthemoon wrote...

It really felt, based on the ending of the game, whether you side with the mages or the templars, that there would be more to Hawke's story. Maybe in an Awakening-style expansion, maybe in a whole new game. I hope this feeling is correct.

Moreso than with the Warden?

I wouldn't mind seeing Hawke again in an expansion, but with a new game I hope we get a new protagonist.  Hawke was ok but by DA3 it's time to move on.  For one thing, I'm hoping we'll get a choice of race again.

[namedforthemoon]

Addai67 wrote...

namedforthemoon wrote...

It really felt, based on the ending of the game, whether you side with the mages or the templars, that there would be more to Hawke's story. Maybe in an Awakening-style expansion, maybe in a whole new game. I hope this feeling is correct.

Moreso than with the Warden?

I wouldn't mind seeing Hawke again in an expansion, but with a new game I hope we get a new protagonist.  Hawke was ok but by DA3 it's time to move on.  For one thing, I'm hoping we'll get a choice of race again.

In Origins, your Warden had the rest of his or her story explained in the epilogue, based on the decisions you made throughout the game, along with the story of other people. In DA2, it just says that your companions had to leave Hawke's side for one reason or another, except for your love interest.  And Hawke disappeared (like the Warden, if your warden survived), so where did Hawke go? Into Merrill's Eluvian?

[Apollo Starflare]

namedforthemoon wrote...

so where did Hawke go? Into Merrill's Eluvian?

Not on my game he didn't. That thing is an ex-Eluvian. It is no more. It has shuffled off this mortal coil. And so on.

Plus he wouldn't have spent that many years convincing Merrill not to go near the thing just to change his mind. To be honest I get a bit of a Revan/Exile vibe off the whole Warden and Hawke vanishing thing. That vibe leads me to believe that there is some greater threat than even the current civil war, probably to do with Flemeth, Morrigan and the OGB or something. One thing that has me thinking we will be getting some interesting DLC (or hopefully even an expansion) is that as it stands at the end of the game there seems no reason for Hawke to drop everything and leave with the Warden. They must have something in the works that ties those two together more closely, again probably to do with Flemeth and 'change'.

[Elessara]

Heh ... see that's just it. Some people want a new character every game. Some people don't.

I'm in the camp that doesn't want a new character every game. I feel more involved with a series if I'm playing the same character and I get to import that character to the next game. It's a kind of continuity if you will.

I'm not saying I won't play Dragon Age 3 if there is a new protagonist. I played DA2 and there was a new char so I'll play DA3 as I enjoyed DA2 enough that I want to find out what happens next. I also don't know that what Hawke did in DA2 was truly sufficient to call him/her the most important character in the Dragon Age what with all of the foreshadowing of bigger things to come.

[noxsachi]

Elessara wrote...

Heh ... see that's just it. Some people want a new character every game. Some people don't.

I'm in the camp that doesn't want a new character every game. I feel more involved with a series if I'm playing the same character and I get to import that character to the next game. It's a kind of continuity if you will.

I'm not saying I won't play Dragon Age 3 if there is a new protagonist. I played DA2 and there was a new char so I'll play DA3 as I enjoyed DA2 enough that I want to find out what happens next. I also don't know that what Hawke did in DA2 was truly sufficient to call him/her the most important character in the Dragon Age what with all of the foreshadowing of bigger things to come.

Yeah I really feel...and hope...that Hawke's story isn't done. DAII in some ways was I guess an extended Origin story, which I entirely didn't mind but yeah it doesn't take much to find a differing opinion around here. Plus FemHawkes voice is soooooooooooo wonderful. Like I don't think it was possible for me to like a VA's work more than Leliana's but if FemHawke isn't around for DAIII I will be very, very sad.

[noxsachi]

Edit: Yeah double posts.

Modifié par noxsachi, 08 avril 2011 - 11:15 .

[Astranagant]

krissyjf wrote...

And what about Flemeth? No questions have ever been aswered about her. What or who is she really? Why does her path always intersect with the various Champions and wardens? What is her ultimate goal? How does she effect the future of Thedas? Too many loose ends with Flemeth and Morgan.
 

Well, Flemeth is obviously the Maker in drag. Looking FABULOUS in DA2, I might add!

[kedcoleman]

While I don't think Hawke will be the protagonist for DA:3:Subtitles:Rise of the Colon (and I sincerely hope that is the case) I *do* feel that the shockwaves of Hawke's presence in the world will ripple across DA3. Perhaps part of the game will be to chase him down, perhaps it will involve the Templar war, but whatever Hawke has been doing the last 3 years will be instrumental in the plot of whatever sequel we get.

[PantheraOnca]

Elessara wrote...

Heh ... see that's just it. Some people want a new character every game. Some people don't.

I'm in the camp that doesn't want a new character every game. I feel more involved with a series if I'm playing the same character and I get to import that character to the next game. It's a kind of continuity if you will.

I'm not saying I won't play Dragon Age 3 if there is a new protagonist. I played DA2 and there was a new char so I'll play DA3 as I enjoyed DA2 enough that I want to find out what happens next. I also don't know that what Hawke did in DA2 was truly sufficient to call him/her the most important character in the Dragon Age what with all of the foreshadowing of bigger things to come.

I think a good "prologue" for 3 would be to have some kind of origins like event(s) where hawke essentially takes the place of duncan and DOES SOMETHING to make him the most important person instead of the most important happened-to-be-nearby-er. Maybe as part of this introduction we can here some of the things hawke did as viscount/mage supporter/etc before he does this additional importantizing thing.

(i use he, but yes, go femhawke)

[Dervla]

Loose ends from Origins/Awakenings:
Morrigan & the OGB.
What is the Architect doing now?
Did Flemeth die? (answered in DA2 but left more questions)
What will Sten report to the Qun? What will their response be?
What will the mages decide in the meeting Wynne was going to?
Where did the Warden disappear to? (we find out (s)he disappears in DA2).
Is Avernus' research going to be important?

Loose ends from DA2:
Idol from Primordial Thaig - where is it...what is it?! Why are the Wardens interested in Hawke's expedition there?
Band of 3 - what's the deal under Kirkwall and where are the last 2 Forbidden Ones?
Where did Hawke go and why?
What's happening between Ferelden and Orlais?
Why are Wardens hastening back to Orlais in such a hurry?

Finally:
I thought Dragons were supposed to have been extinct?!


Plus I have probably missed a lot more. 

Modifié par Dervla, 09 avril 2011 - 01:56 .

[Hammer_Of_God]

I just dont get peoples problems with a cliff hanger ending. Seriously... WTF?
I mean its not like DA2 was the end of the DA saga, its not even the middle of the saga in fact. Had it been the last game in this universe I'd certainly understand the frustration of simply ending it unresolved & up in the air, it'd drive me nuts too... But it aint. Far from it in fact. We'll still get DA3, DA4, DA5... 6 even. This is an ongoing story, & as far as I'm understanding it, Hawke (the Warden even) is merely a part of the ongoing saga, not the b all & end all of it!
Hawke will be back, his story is far from over - of that I have no doubt! But will it be in DA3... unlikely. DA3 will have a brand new protagonist imo.
And as much as I loved Hawke, & cant wait to get my claws back into him! Again, I'm in no rush. Bioware is telling a great tale so far, one that'll grow with every twist & turn each new installment brings - whether the Warden, Hawke or someone new is carrying the story forward at that given moment in time, it makes little difference.
We still have a long way to go guys, & unless you're all dying of old age or a terminal disease, I just dont get the rush to have all the answers spelled out to you in the opening act!

Enjoy the ride while it lasts! This has the makings of a great tale, and I for one am sure going to enjoy every moment of it while I wait in eager anticipation for what Bioware has in store for us next.

Modifié par Hammer_Of_God, 09 avril 2011 - 02:04 .

[Maria Caliban]

Addai67 wrote...

namedforthemoon wrote...

It really felt, based on the ending of the game, whether you side with the mages or the templars, that there would be more to Hawke's story. Maybe in an Awakening-style expansion, maybe in a whole new game. I hope this feeling is correct.

Moreso than with the Warden?

Yes.

1. The Warden was part of an organization devoted to a specific cause.
2. The Warden had a single, overarching goal throughout DA:O.
3. The Warden can die (tends to limit storytelling)
4. The most interesting loose end had nothing to do with the Warden (Morrigan and the Old God baby.)
5. The Warden succeeded.

The DA:O story was a very typical epic fantasy tale where evil is defeated and peace is restored to the land. I have no difficulty seeing why people who were satisfied with DA:O's ending might play DA II and assume it's just a set up to something more important.

[DeathStride]

David Gaider wrote...

Serpieri Nei wrote...
Well, its clear that choices made in the first game simply don't mater.

Because if not every choice matters, that means none of them do. Clearly.

Touché.

[namedforthemoon]

Elessara wrote...

Heh ... see that's just it. Some people want a new character every game. Some people don't.

I'm in the camp that doesn't want a new character every game. I feel more involved with a series if I'm playing the same character and I get to import that character to the next game. It's a kind of continuity if you will.

I'm not saying I won't play Dragon Age 3 if there is a new protagonist. I played DA2 and there was a new char so I'll play DA3 as I enjoyed DA2 enough that I want to find out what happens next. I also don't know that what Hawke did in DA2 was truly sufficient to call him/her the most important character in the Dragon Age what with all of the foreshadowing of bigger things to come.

I seem to recall one of the Devs, Gaider or Priestly, or maybe Laidlaw, saying that Hawke was more important to Thedas than the Warden. Which really sets my head spinning.

[DeathStride]

namedforthemoon wrote...
I seem to recall one of the Devs, Gaider or Priestly, or maybe Laidlaw, saying that Hawke was more important to Thedas than the Warden. Which really sets my head spinning.

1) Holy balls! Really?
2) Canst I get a quote/link my fair lady?

Modifié par DeathStride, 09 avril 2011 - 02:38 .

[Hammer_Of_God]

laecraft wrote...

As long as it's not a duology.

Uh... yes, in as much as one hopes its not the saga of Oprah Winfrey... *frown - blink blink*

[namedforthemoon]

DeathStride wrote...

namedforthemoon wrote...
I seem to recall one of the Devs, Gaider or Priestly, or maybe Laidlaw, saying that Hawke was more important to Thedas than the Warden. Which really sets my head spinning.

1) Holy balls! Really?
2) Canst I get a quote/link my fair lady?

Oh boy. I remember this being said quite a while back, like months ago. I'm not sure I could dig the quote up even with the search function, but I'll try.

[Foefaller]

namedforthemoon wrote...

Elessara wrote...

Heh ... see that's just it. Some people want a new character every game. Some people don't.

I'm in the camp that doesn't want a new character every game. I feel more involved with a series if I'm playing the same character and I get to import that character to the next game. It's a kind of continuity if you will.

I'm not saying I won't play Dragon Age 3 if there is a new protagonist. I played DA2 and there was a new char so I'll play DA3 as I enjoyed DA2 enough that I want to find out what happens next. I also don't know that what Hawke did in DA2 was truly sufficient to call him/her the most important character in the Dragon Age what with all of the foreshadowing of bigger things to come.

I seem to recall one of the Devs, Gaider or Priestly, or maybe Laidlaw, saying that Hawke was more important to Thedas than the Warden. Which really sets my head spinning.

Well, if Hawke never made it to Kirkwall, s/he would have never gone on the expedition, found the idol, which found its way to Meredith, and then...

Considering what happens because of that, Hawke already has potentially changed the world more than The Warden ever could, even if it's in a completly acciedental sort of way... and if you (as a resident/historian of Thedas) belived that the major events in DA2 and consquences of those events were caused by Hawke's deliberate actions, like Cassandra cleary does in the beginning, then Hawke has already acieved it in a historic sence already.

I do belive with an above poster, however, that DA2 feels like a 30 hour Origin story (in a good way) and I hope that means that the xpac(if there is one) and/or DA3 will feature Hawke in a big way, that justifies the devs statement of Hawke being one of, if not the, most important person(s) in the history of Thedas and the Dragon Age.

Modifié par Foefaller, 09 avril 2011 - 02:49 .

[Dervla]

I also believe Bioware's mentioned that the Hawke story spans 10 years.
In game we have about 7-ish?
So unless the rest of the Hawke story takes place in another game we have about 3 Hawke-years of DLC to look forward to.