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[KJandrew]

 Not all Mages want to be seperate from the circle and a lot of them dislike Blood mages. Remember Niall? After Uldred started taking over Niall gathered a bunch of mages and tried to fight back. 
So do you think that the conflict will not just be mage vs templar but with normal mages or the Chantry apologists fighting against blood mages as well?

Modifié par KJandrew, 08 avril 2011 - 08:43 .

[Arken]

The circles are gone. We know there were groups among mages about how to live their lives.

I imagine there will be conflict within these groups about what to do with their new found freedom, and how to earn said freedom from the Templars still hunting them.

[Deified Data]

I think these unfortunates are going to be the first to die, either by templar or blood mage hands. As Anders said "there is no compromise" - moderate mages will likely be slain as swiftly as templars in his twisted revolution.

[hoorayforicecream]

Deified Data wrote...

I think these unfortunates are going to be the first to die, either by templar or blood mage hands. As Anders said "there is no compromise" - moderate mages will likely be slain as swiftly as templars in his twisted revolution.

Seems unlikely. There are 14 circles in Thedas, it's a little farfetched to say that every single one of them will fight to the death.

[LobselVith8]

Based on what Varric said, the Chantry has lost control of the Circles. Meredith's act of genocide against the Kirkwall Circle (regardless of which side Hawke chose) lead to the remaining Circles in Thedas breaking free. This was foreshadowed with Wynne in Amaranthine talking about how there were a large number of mages who wanted to break free from the Chantry, even though she thought the Chantry would rather kill all the mages than see them free.

[TobiTobsen]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Deified Data wrote...

I think these unfortunates are going to be the first to die, either by templar or blood mage hands. As Anders said "there is no compromise" - moderate mages will likely be slain as swiftly as templars in his twisted revolution.

Seems unlikely. There are 14 circles in Thedas, it's a little farfetched to say that every single one of them will fight to the death.

Varric says that all circles are fighting. What else should they do? The templars have gone rogue and are out for blood. The mages have no other choice. Thanks to Vengeance.

[Wulfram]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Deified Data wrote...

I think these unfortunates are going to be the first to die, either by templar or blood mage hands. As Anders said "there is no compromise" - moderate mages will likely be slain as swiftly as templars in his twisted revolution.

Seems unlikely. There are 14 circles in Thedas, it's a little farfetched to say that every single one of them will fight to the death.

The right of annullment wouldn't give them much choice.  You fight or die.

[greyman33]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Deified Data wrote...

I think these unfortunates are going to be the first to die, either by templar or blood mage hands. As Anders said "there is no compromise" - moderate mages will likely be slain as swiftly as templars in his twisted revolution.

Seems unlikely. There are 14 circles in Thedas, it's a little farfetched to say that every single one of them will fight to the death.

Not to nitpick, but by the end of DA2 there are really only 12 Circles left, 11 if you annuled the Fereldon Circle.  Starkhaven was distroyed by fire, Kirkwall is gone, and potentially Fereldon as well.

On top of that, you can hardly count any Circle in Tevinter occupied land as being truely in rebellion, as the mages haev been in charge there for years.

I'm curious actually, about what would be going on with this whole mage-templar war in Tevinter.  The Black Divine is pro-mage, and any templars in the area would be under his control, threfore presumably also pro-mage.  With that kind of cohesion, would you expect Tevinter and its mages and templars to move to take back some of their old Imperial holdings under the guise of 'protecting the mages'?  That could be cause for a real mage civil war, as many mages from the southern lands may not desire to see their nations fall into Tevinter hands.

[IanPolaris]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Based on what Varric said, the Chantry has lost control of the Circles. Meredith's act of genocide against the Kirkwall Circle (regardless of which side Hawke chose) lead to the remaining Circles in Thedas breaking free. This was foreshadowed with Wynne in Amaranthine talking about how there were a large number of mages who wanted to break free from the Chantry, even though she thought the Chantry would rather kill all the mages than see them free.

Which is delicious irony because that's what the Chantry (or at least the Templars) are trying to do now thanks to Meridith and it causes the Circles to break free.  Seems like the only thing stopping them before was a fear of the Chantry.  If the Chantry (via Meridith)is saying, "We want to kill you anyway", the circles all have no choice but to rebel or die.

-Polaris

[sphinxess]

Wulfram wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Deified Data wrote...

I think these unfortunates are going to be the first to die, either by templar or blood mage hands. As Anders said "there is no compromise" - moderate mages will likely be slain as swiftly as templars in his twisted revolution.

Seems unlikely. There are 14 circles in Thedas, it's a little farfetched to say that every single one of them will fight to the death.

The right of annullment wouldn't give them much choice.  You fight or die.

I would think the rumor that hit the circles is that a Grey Warden mage blew up the Chantry so the Templars called the Right of Annulment on the Kirkwall circle. Even if just a few mages started the battle in each circle - once the fighting starts - you join and beat the Templar forces or you die or at least clear enough out that you can make a run for it.

[RavenB]

TobiTobsen wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Deified Data wrote...

I think these unfortunates are going to be the first to die, either by templar or blood mage hands. As Anders said "there is no compromise" - moderate mages will likely be slain as swiftly as templars in his twisted revolution.

Seems unlikely. There are 14 circles in Thedas, it's a little farfetched to say that every single one of them will fight to the death.

Varric says that all circles are fighting. What else should they do? The templars have gone rogue and are out for blood. The mages have no other choice. Thanks to Vengeance.

Varric said the templars rebelled from the Chantry. Has anyone actually confirmed why or what their current goals were? The "out for blood" statement seems like assumption. You might be right, but I haven't seen their current pursuits confirmed yet unless there was a post by one of the writers I didn't see, which may be so.

[Raiil]

Nothing has been confirmed for what side the templars took. I personally think most took a f--k you guys, I'm going home approach, a few would have gone off to hunt mages, and a few decided to ally themselves with the mages. I doubt every Circle fell the same way; Ferelden, for example, reasonably may have had a much quieter transition than, say, Orlais, the seat of Chantry power.


I don't see it being out of the question that some templars and mages simply decided to give mages more autonomy but kept templars are on because there are plenty of mages who understand the need for templars to exist, without wanting to live without freedom.

[IanPolaris]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Isn't the moderate/pro-circle Mages (Aequitarian-Loyalist Alliance) the largest faction?

Not anymore.  Meridith completely destroyed any moral justification the Loyalists could turn to because the Chantry proved that it's willing to murder (or at least turn a blind eye to murder) all mages. 

The dominant faction now seems to be an Aequitarian-Libertarian alliance which was forshadowed as early as DAO.

-Polaris

[Wulfram]

Varric says they "abandoned the chantry to hunt the mages". Cassandra replies that "not all of us desire war", but that would seem to imply that most of them do.

[Raiil]

I thought Varric's statement applied to Seekers, not templars. I really wish we could get some sort of response for the devs. *crosses fingers*

[TheBlackBaron]

Valentia X wrote...

I thought Varric's statement applied to Seekers, not templars. I really wish we could get some sort of response for the devs. *crosses fingers*

No, it was the Templars. The Seekers are trying to get the Templars back under control. 

[RavenB]

Valentia X wrote...

I thought Varric's statement applied to Seekers, not templars. I really wish we could get some sort of response for the devs. *crosses fingers*

This is what I thought, too. He mentioned to Cassandra specifically that he thought she left the Chantry to hunt the mages. I definitely remember that. I thought he had just said the templars left without giving explanation as to why. I may not be correctly remembering the ending lines, though, I admit.

[TobiTobsen]

Valentia X wrote...

I thought Varric's statement applied to Seekers, not templars. I really wish we could get some sort of response for the devs. *crosses fingers*

He says "I thought you abandoned the chantry to hunt the mages" because the Seekers are part ot the Templars. He isn't specificaly talking about Cassandra.
Most of the templars seem to do what I assumed. They are out for mage blood.

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 08 avril 2011 - 10:26 .

[Raiil]

TobiTobsen wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

I thought Varric's statement applied to Seekers, not templars. I really wish we could get some sort of response for the devs. *crosses fingers*

He says "I thought you abandoned the chantry to hunt the mages" because the Seekers are part ot the Templars. Most of the templars seem to do what I assumed. They are out for mage blood.

Where are Seekers said to be templars? Policing them doesn't mean they are part of them. Again, I'm really hoping we can find out what the templars did. I have trouble believing they all went bat**** at the same time and did the exact same thing.

[KJandrew]

I think when the circles rebelled the templars wanted to kill them all but the Divine turned them down so they went rogue

[RavenB]

It wasn't my impression that the seekers and the templars weren't necessarily in line, for the majority. The codex seemed to make it sound to me as though the seekers and the templars fairly rarely had contact. I had gotten the impression the templars had left and then the seekers after that. This was only my assumption from the context I could extrapolate, however.

[TobiTobsen]

Valentia X wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

I thought Varric's statement applied to Seekers, not templars. I really wish we could get some sort of response for the devs. *crosses fingers*

He says "I thought you abandoned the chantry to hunt the mages" because the Seekers are part ot the Templars. Most of the templars seem to do what I assumed. They are out for mage blood.

Where are Seekers said to be templars? Policing them doesn't mean they are part of them. Again, I'm really hoping we can find out what the templars did. I have trouble believing they all went bat**** at the same time and did the exact same thing.

The Seekers are the policeforce of the templars. They are to the templars, what the templars are to the mages. They are still part of the military forces of the chantry. Thats the reason why Varric doesn't makes a difference, if you ask me.

[RavenB]

TobiTobsen wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

I thought Varric's statement applied to Seekers, not templars. I really wish we could get some sort of response for the devs. *crosses fingers*

He says "I thought you abandoned the chantry to hunt the mages" because the Seekers are part ot the Templars. Most of the templars seem to do what I assumed. They are out for mage blood.

Where are Seekers said to be templars? Policing them doesn't mean they are part of them. Again, I'm really hoping we can find out what the templars did. I have trouble believing they all went bat**** at the same time and did the exact same thing.

The Seekers are the policeforce of the templars. They are to the templars, what the templars are to the mages. They are still part of the military forces of the chantry. Thats the reason why Varric doesn't makes a difference, if you ask me.

But we saw how well in line the mages fell with the templars. Saying they are to the templars what the templars are to the mages isn't exactly a vote of confidence.

[TobiTobsen]

RavenB wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

I thought Varric's statement applied to Seekers, not templars. I really wish we could get some sort of response for the devs. *crosses fingers*

He says "I thought you abandoned the chantry to hunt the mages" because the Seekers are part ot the Templars. Most of the templars seem to do what I assumed. They are out for mage blood.

Where are Seekers said to be templars? Policing them doesn't mean they are part of them. Again, I'm really hoping we can find out what the templars did. I have trouble believing they all went bat**** at the same time and did the exact same thing.

The Seekers are the policeforce of the templars. They are to the templars, what the templars are to the mages. They are still part of the military forces of the chantry. Thats the reason why Varric doesn't makes a difference, if you ask me.

But we saw how well in line the mages fell with the templars. Saying they are to the templars what the templars are to the mages isn't exactly a vote of confidence.

Sure. Just look at Meredith or Ser Alrik. It's the job of the Seekers to sort these kind of people out of the templar ranks. Somebody must have failed at their job. Hard.

And the codex entry explicitly states that the templars fear and despise the Seekers. I think my comparison was pretty fitting

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 08 avril 2011 - 10:38 .