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[cachx]

Slidell505 wrote...
Only if we get to fight him in a fist fight.

Maybe it's just me, but shouldn't an assasin be a little less direct?
Poison the bar?
Tinker with Dr. Chakwas machines?
Place an explosive under his bed?
Overload the generator during a poorly placed sex scene?
And my favorite, shooting him while he's taking a ****?

[Valikdu]

For extra creativity, see Shogun: Total War ninja assasination videos on Youtube.

[Gyroscopic_Trout]

Slidell505 wrote...

Only if we get to fight him in a fist fight. Shepard took a Yahg in a fist fight Kai took a Krogan. Should be interesting.

Just so long as it isn't driven by quick time events. 

[Dean_the_Young]

Only Paragon and Renegade interrupts.

Renegade interrupt punches Kai. Paragon gives him your medigel.

[ExtremeOne]

come get some is all I can say

[grievous04]

Is he the guy shown in the GI article? There is concept art of an Asian looking man with cybernetics. could he be Leng?

[AntenDS]

Tilarta wrote...
Most likely, he has taken Miranda's place as the Illusive Man's right hand person.

Miranda was never TIM's right hand (wo)man. She just was the head of the Lazarus Project and reported to TIM directly.

[packardbell]

grievous04 wrote...

Is he the guy shown in the GI article? There is concept art of an Asian looking man with cybernetics. could he be Leng?

Could be. No confirmation as of yet, though.

[Sajuro]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

The BS Police wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Take Morinth and have her seduce Kai Leng and nom on his mind, for fun.

Wouldn't work, Kai Leng is a huge Xenophobe!

Yep... BUT there is a hook which could lead to his end from her "hands".

Morinth is mass Effect Poison Ivi which use combination of telephatic abilites to seduce her victim untill s/he become absolutely unable to defend itself against Morinth overwhelming mind.

So far she meet only one single person able to resist her influence aka Shepard Commander:ph34r:, but to be honest our Shep is not an ordinary human after all (especialy not after Lazarus) but would Leng be able to resist her?

Doubtful...  unless he got special training how to resist such mind influence so i think Morinth would dealt with him rather fast...

Exactly, a nice punishment for him using red sand on Grayson to get him to submit to the Reaper tech. I would say do that with TIM as well, but I would save him for a time when I could explain to Gillian that he is the man who turned her father into an evil monster and is responsible for his death, while she was face to face with TIM.

[LK Tien]

Or maybe TIM just ordered everyone to get Shepard back, and left the 'alive' part out.

Then again Harbringer's way of getting Shep back alive is also by shooting at him. (looks at Arrival)

[MGIII]

grievous04 wrote...

Is he the guy shown in the GI article? There is concept art of an Asian looking man with cybernetics. could he be Leng?

It's a pretty strong possiblity.

[Maestro975]

esideras wrote...

I acually doubt that is Sanders as Sanders is an N7 marine, no? I'd suppose N7 has some form of grooming rule.
But the long hair and ponytail + assassin + cybernetics, makes me thing more of asian and Kai Leng.
Haven't read the book but do they describe Lengs appearance?

He has an Ouroborous tattoo (which I thought was cool as I was on of the apparently small handful of people who watched Millennium and really liked its second season in particular). 

I think it was on his neck though, so I'm not sure how visible it would be if he's wearing armor.

[Sajuro]

How to beat Kai Leng, Boo goes for the eyes.

[Maestro975]

Sajuro wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

The BS Police wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Take Morinth and have her seduce Kai Leng and nom on his mind, for fun.

Wouldn't work, Kai Leng is a huge Xenophobe!

Yep... BUT there is a hook which could lead to his end from her "hands".

Morinth is mass Effect Poison Ivi which use combination of telephatic abilites to seduce her victim untill s/he become absolutely unable to defend itself against Morinth overwhelming mind.

So far she meet only one single person able to resist her influence aka Shepard Commander:ph34r:, but to be honest our Shep is not an ordinary human after all (especialy not after Lazarus) but would Leng be able to resist her?

Doubtful...  unless he got special training how to resist such mind influence so i think Morinth would dealt with him rather fast...

Exactly, a nice punishment for him using red sand on Grayson to get him to submit to the Reaper tech. I would say do that with TIM as well, but I would save him for a time when I could explain to Gillian that he is the man who turned her father into an evil monster and is responsible for his death, while she was face to face with TIM.

Grayson was a rat. If anyone deserved a Sicilian/Colombian necktie, it's him.

Hell, if I found out my nextdoor neighbor was in Witness Protection for reasons similar to why Grayson defected to Cerberus, I'd sell him out to the mob in a minute, even if they only offered me 50 bucks. Omnium proditorum morte!

[Tilarta]

AntenDS wrote...

Miranda was never TIM's right hand (wo)man. She just was the head of the Lazarus Project and reported to TIM directly.

Yes, but how many Cerberus agents do that?

TIM isn't fond of face-to-face meetings, from the sounds of it.

Grayson said as much, Kai Leng was concerned that his second personal meeting with TIM would also be his last.

So, I'm assuming the fact that Miranda had regular face-to-face meetings with TIM meant she was fairly high up in the heirarchy of Cerberus.
Well, at least, she was, until I talked her into "resigning" and signing the form with the explosion of the Collector Base.


As Grayson, well, I never really held anything he did against him.
He wasn't a bad guy, just a good guy in a bad situation.
But he did eventually turn that around, shortly before he died, in defying both Cerberus and the Reapers.

Modifié par Tilarta, 18 avril 2011 - 03:16 .

[Sajuro]

Maestro975 wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

The BS Police wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Take Morinth and have her seduce Kai Leng and nom on his mind, for fun.

Wouldn't work, Kai Leng is a huge Xenophobe!

Yep... BUT there is a hook which could lead to his end from her "hands".

Morinth is mass Effect Poison Ivi which use combination of telephatic abilites to seduce her victim untill s/he become absolutely unable to defend itself against Morinth overwhelming mind.

So far she meet only one single person able to resist her influence aka Shepard Commander:ph34r:, but to be honest our Shep is not an ordinary human after all (especialy not after Lazarus) but would Leng be able to resist her?

Doubtful...  unless he got special training how to resist such mind influence so i think Morinth would dealt with him rather fast...

Exactly, a nice punishment for him using red sand on Grayson to get him to submit to the Reaper tech. I would say do that with TIM as well, but I would save him for a time when I could explain to Gillian that he is the man who turned her father into an evil monster and is responsible for his death, while she was face to face with TIM.

Grayson was a rat. If anyone deserved a Sicilian/Colombian necktie, it's him.

Hell, if I found out my nextdoor neighbor was in Witness Protection for reasons similar to why Grayson defected to Cerberus, I'd sell him out to the mob in a minute, even if they only offered me 50 bucks. Omnium proditorum morte!

what kind of horrible person would enter witness protection in order to protect his autistic adopted daughter after learni
I wasn't aware a Colombian necktie was the slang term for turning someone into a reaper avatar.

[Maestro975]

Sajuro wrote...

Maestro975 wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

The BS Police wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Take Morinth and have her seduce Kai Leng and nom on his mind, for fun.

Wouldn't work, Kai Leng is a huge Xenophobe!

Yep... BUT there is a hook which could lead to his end from her "hands".

Morinth is mass Effect Poison Ivi which use combination of telephatic abilites to seduce her victim untill s/he become absolutely unable to defend itself against Morinth overwhelming mind.

So far she meet only one single person able to resist her influence aka Shepard Commander:ph34r:, but to be honest our Shep is not an ordinary human after all (especialy not after Lazarus) but would Leng be able to resist her?

Doubtful...  unless he got special training how to resist such mind influence so i think Morinth would dealt with him rather fast...

Exactly, a nice punishment for him using red sand on Grayson to get him to submit to the Reaper tech. I would say do that with TIM as well, but I would save him for a time when I could explain to Gillian that he is the man who turned her father into an evil monster and is responsible for his death, while she was face to face with TIM.

Grayson was a rat. If anyone deserved a Sicilian/Colombian necktie, it's him.

Hell, if I found out my nextdoor neighbor was in Witness Protection for reasons similar to why Grayson defected to Cerberus, I'd sell him out to the mob in a minute, even if they only offered me 50 bucks. Omnium proditorum morte!

what kind of horrible person would enter witness protection in order to protect his autistic adopted daughter after learni
I wasn't aware a Colombian necktie was the slang term for turning someone into a reaper avatar.

A Colombian necktie is an underworld execution, it's how gangsters punish people who talk too much. And I'm saying that someone like Grayson would deserve it.

TIM could've just saved a lot of trouble if he just whacked the bastard.

Now to sound off on other things:

Kai Leng could be considered specist, like Erinya or Joram Talid, which is not the same thing as racist. I seriously doubt Leng has any particular prejudices against the ethnicities of Earth. Some of you guys make him sound like some redneck skinhead.

He killed a krogan in a bar fight, which means that, most likely, both of them were drunk, and Leng could've been defending himself. If you're drunk, and another drunk twice your size is trying to beat the tar out of you, then the legal definitions of self-defense are going to be pretty far from your mind. So, at best, Leng was defending himself, and at worst, he's guilty of second degree murder. Yet Leng was punished in a manner more consistent with someone who has committed second degree murder. Now me, I'd be directing my anger at the courts, which (and this is fact, not opinion) are filled with far too many politician prosecutors (listen to some of their closing arguments, they're filled with grandstanding that pretty much amounts to "remember me when I run for Attorney General next year") and hanging judges who give maximum penalties to minimum offenders. But Leng attributes his harsh sentence to "alien appeasment."

Apparently there is some law that reasons that since someone with advanced combat training is more skilled in hand-to-hand combat than the average joe on the street, then they're guilty of using excessive force if they kill or seriously injure the drunken idiot who attacks them. If the Alliance also has this law, then it's not hard to picture Leng getting a harsher sentence than a garden variety second degree murderer. But this law is crap. If somoene tries to rob me, I exercise my God-given right to defend myself, and they are consequently paralyzed or rendered barren, they brought it upon themselves.

Before his prison sentence, I imagine Leng's anti-alien sentiments were not that much worse than Ashley or Admiral Mikhailovich, but his time in "the joint" amped them up to psychotic levels. 

I fail to see the logic behind the Aria as scumbag arguments, or the need to have Shepard put her in her place. Aria lives in a survival of the fittest environment. She might not necessarily help the poor and struggling of Omega, but she doesn't interfere in the day-to-day lives either (so she is NOT a tyrant, only a Guevara-worshipping pinko would truly believe she is), and quite frankly, she doesn't owe them anything. The notion that there is nobody in the ENTIRE GALAXY who is higher than Shepard on the food chain, and that players should have the option to throttle anyone who is even slightly rude to him/her is one of the worst kind of vain, egotistical hubris. Combine that with the Mr A mentality espoused by Paragons, it's almost like being trapped between two annoying giants. In ME3's endings, the "Mr A Shepards" need to pay a VERY heavy price for their moral inflexibility, and the "I Bite My Tongue For No One" style Shepards need to find their arrogance coming back to bite them in the ass.

One more thing:

PC thugs deserve every insult/slur that gets hurled at them. Since PC thugs do not belong to any particular race, species, ethnicity, it is not bigoted to bash them.

[Gyroscopic_Trout]

Maestro975 wrote...

A Colombian necktie is an underworld execution, it's how gangsters punish people who talk too much. And I'm saying that someone like Grayson would deserve it.

TIM could've just saved a lot of trouble if he just whacked the bastard.

Now to sound off on other things:

Kai Leng could be considered specist, like Erinya or Joram Talid, which is not the same thing as racist. I seriously doubt Leng has any particular prejudices against the ethnicities of Earth. Some of you guys make him sound like some redneck skinhead.

He killed a krogan in a bar fight, which means that, most likely, both of them were drunk, and Leng could've been defending himself. If you're drunk, and another drunk twice your size is trying to beat the tar out of you, then the legal definitions of self-defense are going to be pretty far from your mind. So, at best, Leng was defending himself, and at worst, he's guilty of second degree murder. Yet Leng was punished in a manner more consistent with someone who has committed second degree murder. Now me, I'd be directing my anger at the courts, which (and this is fact, not opinion) are filled with far too many politician prosecutors (listen to some of their closing arguments, they're filled with grandstanding that pretty much amounts to "remember me when I run for Attorney General next year") and hanging judges who give maximum penalties to minimum offenders. But Leng attributes his harsh sentence to "alien appeasment."

Apparently there is some law that reasons that since someone with advanced combat training is more skilled in hand-to-hand combat than the average joe on the street, then they're guilty of using excessive force if they kill or seriously injure the drunken idiot who attacks them. If the Alliance also has this law, then it's not hard to picture Leng getting a harsher sentence than a garden variety second degree murderer. But this law is crap. If somoene tries to rob me, I exercise my God-given right to defend myself, and they are consequently paralyzed or rendered barren, they brought it upon themselves.

Before his prison sentence, I imagine Leng's anti-alien sentiments were not that much worse than Ashley or Admiral Mikhailovich, but his time in "the joint" amped them up to psychotic levels. 

I fail to see the logic behind the Aria as scumbag arguments, or the need to have Shepard put her in her place. Aria lives in a survival of the fittest environment. She might not necessarily help the poor and struggling of Omega, but she doesn't interfere in the day-to-day lives either (so she is NOT a tyrant, only a Guevara-worshipping pinko would truly believe she is), and quite frankly, she doesn't owe them anything. The notion that there is nobody in the ENTIRE GALAXY who is higher than Shepard on the food chain, and that players should have the option to throttle anyone who is even slightly rude to him/her is one of the worst kind of vain, egotistical hubris. Combine that with the Mr A mentality espoused by Paragons, it's almost like being trapped between two annoying giants. In ME3's endings, the "Mr A Shepards" need to pay a VERY heavy price for their moral inflexibility, and the "I Bite My Tongue For No One" style Shepards need to find their arrogance coming back to bite them in the ass.

One more thing:

PC thugs deserve every insult/slur that gets hurled at them. Since PC thugs do not belong to any particular race, species, ethnicity, it is not bigoted to bash them.

Putting aside for a second the ongoing debate as to whether or not it's ethical to torture, mutilate and experiment on someone for daring to protect his own daughter...

In the eyes of the law, if you are intoxicated then anything that comes of that is considered your fault, owing to the fact that you willingly put yourself in a position where your judgment is impaired.  This is why, for example, your car insurance has exclusions for driving while impaired.  Driving drunk and getting into an accident is regarded as the same as deliberately crashing your car.  It's why committing an act of murder, assault, rape, etc are all still considered violent crimes if committed while drunk.

If someone who has been trained and augmented to kill with his bare hands gets drunk and murders someone else in a bar fight, then my response would be that he shouldn't have been getting drunk in the first place.  Even if he was sober, it should not have happened.  The legal definition of negligence is failing to do what a reasonable person would do, or doing something that a reasonable person wouldn't.  Under very few circumstances is it reasonable to kill another person in unarmed combat, and anyone who cannot show the proper restraint is a danger to himself and others.  Frankly, considering how hard it is to kill a krogan, I'd imagine that killing one with your bare hands would probably be harder than subdoing or evading him.  Reasonably, he could have just as easily broken the guy's leg, or even just left the bar.  Just like he reasonably shouldn't have slit an unconscious asari's throat, or tortured and experimented on Greyson.

[sh8dneji]

One thing I like about the possibility of having Leng in ME3 is that he could provided what ME2 lack, a antagonist to Shepard's protagonist. Having someone who is actively sabotaging Shep's attempts to bring the races of the galaxy together is much better then the collectors who just used advance tech to kidnap colonies.

Modifié par sh8dneji, 18 avril 2011 - 03:43 .

[Gyroscopic_Trout]

sh8dneji wrote...

One thing I like about the possibility of having Leng in ME3 is that he could provided what ME2 lack, a antagonist to Shepard's protagonist. Having someone who is actively sabotaging Shep's attempts to bring the races of the galaxy together is much better then the collectors who just used advance tech to kidnap colonies.

Exactly.  When they first revealed Legion in the ME2 previews I thought "oh cool, there's a crazy talking Geth stalking Shepard through the game."  Even if he was only a secondary antagonist, it would have made the antagonists that much more interesting and personal.

[Sajuro]

Maestro, may I remind you Grayson didn't 'talk' until Kai Leng busted down his front door to kidnap him, in fact the only time he had threatened to talk was in order to protect Kahlee from the Illusive Man's wrath. Call it what you will, but I am of the opinion that if the other species are space faring civilizations who are clearly sapient (Can do calculus as Mordin put it) being a speciest is pretty much the same thing as being a racist.
Also if you read the novel, Kai Leng seems to be impractically racist (speciest but my spell check has conniptions with that), expressing disgust at the thought of using a Turian made weapon as if that somehow invalidated the small pieces of metal it shot into people. That is nearly on par for TIM calling people who thought Volus made better tobacco traitors.

[Maestro975]

Gyroscopic_Trout wrote...

In the eyes of the law, if you are intoxicated then anything that comes of that is considered your fault, owing to the fact that you willingly put yourself in a position where your judgment is impaired.  This is why, for example, your car insurance has exclusions for driving while impaired.  Driving drunk and getting into an accident is regarded as the same as deliberately crashing your car.  It's why committing an act of murder, assault, rape, etc are all still considered violent crimes if committed while drunk.

If someone who has been trained and augmented to kill with his bare hands gets drunk and murders someone else in a bar fight, then my response would be that he shouldn't have been getting drunk in the first place.  Even if he was sober, it should not have happened.  The legal definition of negligence is failing to do what a reasonable person would do, or doing something that a reasonable person wouldn't.  Under very few circumstances is it reasonable to kill another person in unarmed combat, and anyone who cannot show the proper restraint is a danger to himself and others.  Frankly, considering how hard it is to kill a krogan, I'd imagine that killing one with your bare hands would probably be harder than subdoing or evading him.  Reasonably, he could have just as easily broken the guy's leg, or even just left the bar.  Just like he reasonably shouldn't have slit an unconscious asari's throat, or tortured and experimented on Greyson.

But a crime committed while drunk would be second degree, not first degree. The law is supposed to differentiate between that. Leng would not have been guilty of anything higher than second degree murder, yet he gets the murder one treatment because (the way he likely sees it) the Alliance was looking for a poster boy. This intensifies his anger, turning him from your average Renegade to xenophobic psycho. So in other words, the stint in prison makes him worse.

Grayson was practially eggin TIM on when he told him off, as opposed to Shepard, who was generally more civil and polite. TIM didn't harbor any grudges against Zaeed, who killed over 50 of his operatives, and didn't rule out working with Shepard again (even if Shep did blow up the base) or Anderson (who sicced the turians on him). But Grayson rubbed his defection in TIM's face and practially dared him to do something about it. And if you look closely at the section of Retribution devoted to his capture, Leng's team shows up disguised, Grayson knows he's being shadowed, he assumes that its a Cerberus team after him. He was right, but he didn't know that at the time he contacted Kahlee. What if it had been Shadow Broker or Eclipse agents? He clearly took a shoot first, ask questions later approach.

And Leng killed Liselle because you're not supposed to leave any witnesses. Miranda would've found a way to grab Grayson without any collateral damage, but they weren't availble (and may have even been dead by then).  

[Habelo]

jbblue05 wrote...

legion999 wrote...

Dionkey wrote...

I am guessing Kai Leng will possibly kill your LI and Shepard will snap.

I dont see kai leng bing able to kill jack, garrus or any of the LIs for that matter.

,Kai Leng is a highly- effiecient cold-caculating fully evolved killer.

Kai Leng can easily kill Jack and Garrus because they are reckless fighters,
Kai Leng will give Tali false hope lika a cat playing with a mouse and devour her
Kai Leng and Thane will be the best fight Assassin vs. Assassin
Kai Leng is an N7 marine Kaiden and Ashley aren't
Kai Leng is Cerberus' top Assassin not Miranda or Jacob.

This srsly made me lol. Kai leng is badass haha.

[Maestro975]

Sajuro wrote...

Maestro, may I remind you Grayson didn't 'talk' until Kai Leng busted down his front door to kidnap him, in fact the only time he had threatened to talk was in order to protect Kahlee from the Illusive Man's wrath. Call it what you will, but I am of the opinion that if the other species are space faring civilizations who are clearly sapient (Can do calculus as Mordin put it) being a speciest is pretty much the same thing as being a racist.
Also if you read the novel, Kai Leng seems to be impractically racist (speciest but my spell check has conniptions with that), expressing disgust at the thought of using a Turian made weapon as if that somehow invalidated the small pieces of metal it shot into people. That is nearly on par for TIM calling people who thought Volus made better tobacco traitors.

Rear Admiral Mikhailovich had a similar disdain for the turian influences on the Normandy. Pressly wote in his journal that the Normandy seemed like a zoo with all the aliens on board. So those sentiments are there in others, just not as extreme. (I think you have to be Paragon to get Pressly, Mikhailovich, and Ashley to see the error of their ways, Renegades can make them even MORE anti-alien, IIRC). Leng is really no worse than Saren, he's really more like an anti-Saren. Apparently seems to touch a nerve in the PC thugs, for some reason, though.

And that tobacco was salarian, not volus. There were those who even had the audacity to claim that several of the salarian brands of genetically engineered leaf were superior to anything humanity had produced. The Illusive Man, however, preferred his tobacco like his whiskey--homegrown.

Doesn't sound like he's outright calling those who prefer the salarian tobacco traitors. Sounds more like simple ethnocentricsm, like my wife's preference of American hockey teams over Canadian or Russian teams. The novel also implies that the tobacco and whiskey that TIM prefers are a bit on the expensive side. 

[Tilarta]

Well, if Leng shows his face to me and interferes with my missions, I'll put my fist through his chest, then yank out his heart and spine to give to Grunt as toys.
His head will be mailed back to TIM COD.

And Liselle saw nothing of important, she shot one guy, was knocked out and never even knew who she was shooting at.
There's not much witnessing going on there.

It's just another example of Leng's xenophobia, from his perspective, he killed her simply because she had an intimate relationship with a human, which offends his radical sensibilities.
The preceeding pages leading up to that event are filled with Leng calling Liselle impolite names, so he's fully aware of how involved she was with Grayson.