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[Wholetyouinhere]

Posters in this thread are doing very little to dispel the notion that Bioware is catering to a younger crowd.

[IN1]

Wholetyouinhere wrote...

Posters in this thread are doing very little to dispel the notion that Bioware is catering to a younger crowd.

Of course. Grown-ups never equip shields. It's widely known.

[Goller]

Been reading thise boards for a while now and i got to know IN1 how did you get the gold for all that equepment. as i see it

Dull brass amulet is 19g 39s you get this is act 3 ?
Seven deaths is 6g 17s act 2
defender of the wall is 33g 22s act 2
etched ring of the twins is 88g 68s act 2
Stealth boots is 99g 51s
puzzle ring of the black fox is 88g 14s
enchanted silverite belt is 5g 93s
cap of the antivan is king 6g 50s

Thats aprox 348g

and looking at your build i see that you have spend 22 points meaning you boght tomes aswell
thats another 100g or something

and looking at your build i see you have blood fued in the dualist tree dosent that require 4 points in the tree ? i only see you haveing 3 beside it

just wondering

Modifié par Goller, 13 avril 2011 - 05:19 .

[IN1]

Goller wrote...

Been reading thise boards for a while now and i got to know IN1 how did you get the gold for all that equepment. as i see it

Dull brass amulet is 19g 39s you get this is act 3 ? 
Seven deaths is 6g 17s act 2
defender of the wall is 33g 22s act 2
etched ring of the twins is 88g 68s act 2
Stealth boots is 99g 51s
puzzle ring of the black fox is 88g 14s
enchanted silverite belt is 5g 93s
cap of the antivan is king 6g 50s

Thats aprox 348g

and looking at your build i see that you have spend 22 points meaning you boght tomes aswell
thats another 100g or something

and looking at your build i see you have blood fued in the dualist tree dosent that require 4 points in the tree ? i only see you haveing 3 beside it

just wondering

First of all, Dull Brass is Act II. 
Secondly, I wonder, are your questions serious? Gold? Tomes? Huh... It is an artificially created character using maximized equipment theoretically possible to obtain by that specific point in the game. I have used a custom script to create maximized end-Act II equipment in my inventory. Furthermore, I have edited my save game file with pyGFF to have the max amount of attribute/talent points you can possible have by end-Act II. The stats and the items are maximized, but totally legit. 
That said, it is possible to accumulate ~300 g by the end of Act II on an optimized playthrough, so the difference between the gear you can practically acquire and my gear is not too substantial. I doubt 5% or so of total damage output would have changed the outcome here.
The video is a demonstration of certain aspects of pre-1.02 DA2 combat mechanics, not an attempt to show off, so I don't know what are you trying to achieve by posting that comment. 

Oh, and regarding Blood Feud: I'm too lazy to double-check if you are correct, but it's completely immaterial, as I don't even touch Vendetta in the video.

[Goller]

I was not aware that you were using programs to set everything up to show a point.
That was why i asked about it, i could not see how it was posible to get all that gear and tomes
i was not trying to be rude or anything just simple wondering how i could achive the same Epicness

[IN1]

Goller wrote...

I was not aware that you were using programs to set everything up to show a point.
That was why i asked about it, i could not see how it was posible to get all that gear and tomes
i was not trying to be rude or anything just simple wondering how i could achive the same Epicness

No problem, I misunderstood your intention.

D&S rogue as a whole is cheesy, but fun to play. Even in 1.02, where Lacerate is totally worthless, you will deal insane damage cosistently with this build. You'll need to swap Etched and Black Fox for less expensive rings on a real playthrough, but your performance will still be pretty darn close to that shown in the video. 

Modifié par IN1, 13 avril 2011 - 06:31 .

[shoggoth1890]

Wholetyouinhere wrote...
Posters in this thread are doing very little to dispel the notion that Bioware is catering to a younger crowd.

This Really Obscure Little Lecture has me curious about just what he is condescending to.

[Goller]

time to kick some horned ass

[IN1]

shoggoth1890 wrote...

Wholetyouinhere wrote...
Posters in this thread are doing very little to dispel the notion that Bioware is catering to a younger crowd.

This Really Obscure Little Lecture has me curious about just what he is condescending to.

Shields, shields. A true gentleman should never use one.

[ripstrawberry]

Wouldn't it be better for this build to equip the best physical dmg dagger (finesse?) and stack +% physical dmg gear?

[shoggoth1890]

Nah. As IN1 mentioned to me, the armor of the shield gets interpreted as damage when in the hand of a rogue. You won't be finding any daggers nearly that high in damage.

[Att3r0]

Ah! i no different your stats looked too high! You did in fact cheat.
what is achivable doesnt mean the game provides resources for that.The same way while cap is 50lv its not possible to get it. Its clearly impossible to have 400g before going qunari war.

Yea i know that majority of this "achivement" is due to the D&S however if you would lack 5-10% damage it could be possbile that arishok would menage to drink his pot and so fight would go much longer

PS. can you estimate how much gold can be geatered by end of every act (assuming no +coin gear) ? wanna know how far im from there ^^

Modifié par Att3r0, 14 avril 2011 - 06:40 .

[IN1]

Ah! i no different your stats looked too high!

No, the stats are totally okay. However, having both Black Fox and Etched is not too realistic, should have done it with Fallen Star and Resilience instead, but then you would have found something else, correct? And anyway Lacerate is worthless as of 1.02, so no matter. 

Anyway, the idea was to show an interesting possibility, no to demonstrate how cool I am. A mentally challenged gorilla could have done the same with this build/setup. Which means: you are welcome to try it.

You did in fact cheat.
what is achivable doesnt mean the game provides resources for that.The same way while cap is 50lv its not possible to get it. Its clearly impossible to have 400g before going qunari war.

Blah, blah, blah. Switch the expensive rings for less expensive attribute-boosters (that's -200 g) and try it yourself.

Yea i know that majority of this "achivement" is due to the D&S however if you would lack 5-10% damage it could be possbile that arishok would menage to drink his pot and so fight would go much longer

Arishok was stunned. Stunned enemies do not drink pots. 

PS. can you estimate how much gold can be geatered by end of every act (assuming no +coin gear) ? wanna know how far im from there ^^

Without Runes of Fortune -- no idea. With RoFs in companion armor + being super-greedy, something like (cumulative): ~130-140; ~290-300; ~440-450. 

[Att3r0]

Arishok was stunned. Stunned enemies do not drink pots

But when dps drops stuns end before things die.

[Stinkface27]

Your attitude towards posters is really detracting from the epicness of your accomplishment. You don't need to jump down everyone's throats. =/

I thought it was a great video, by the way. I'm playing a rogue now and I'm glad to see it can be as awesome as I felt my mage and warriors were!

[IN1]

Stinkface27 wrote...

Your attitude towards posters is really detracting from the epicness of your accomplishment. You don't need to jump down everyone's throats. =/

I thought it was a great video, by the way. I'm playing a rogue now and I'm glad to see it can be as awesome as I felt my mage and warriors were!

1. My attitude, such as it is, is my personal flaw, totally unrelated to the "epicness" of this "accomplishment".

2. I'm usually a well-mannered person, but being called a cheater does not exactly warm my heart. Let me assure you, you would not appreciate being criticized in such a destructive fashion, too.

3. People misinterpret my motives (judging by "epicness" and "accomplishment", so do you). I don't show off, I show mechanics-related gimmicks. That's it. In other words: there is nothing epic about shields using armor value for base damage, as far as I am concerned.  

[Att3r0]

Thing is you did not realy say the characer is artificaly created. You only said its legit but not quite true. the quite does make a differance that you are gonna harass you about.

So just play open cards say the toon is created vith gear/level/ stats achivable at this point of game (but not necessarily at once )

[Khayness]

It's legit.

Many years ago, over the WoW boards, these things were titled as "Clever Use of Game Mechanics".

[IN1]

Thing is you did not realy say the characer is artificaly created.

Errr... I did not really say it is artificially created? 

I quote myself: "It is an artificially created character using maximized equipment theoretically possible to obtain by that specific point in the game. I have used a custom script to create maximized end-Act II equipment in my inventory. Furthermore, I have edited my save game file with pyGFF to have the max amount of attribute/talent points you can possible have by end-Act II. The stats and the items are maximized, but totally legit."

What else do you want? 

[tetracycloide]

This equipment set isn't theoretically possible.  Each piece is theoretically possible but the set assembled together is not.  There's simply not enough money in acts I and II combined to buy every skill and attribute boost on top of getting stealth boots, etched ring of the twins, and puzzle ring of the black fox.  I really see where you're coming from on this point but the only reason I'm mentoining it at all is that you're encouraging others to 'try this at home' but this set-up is not reproducable at home through normal play.  You also took someone to task early in the thread for saying a bugged item is 'not legit' because 'this result was achieved using a non-modded DA2 ruleset, thus, it is legitimate by definition' but this result isn't avilable in game without modding. So by your own definition this isn't 'legit' but I would have to agree that limiting yourself to the amount of gold actually available by the end of Act II wouldn't have change a ton.

[IN1]

tetracycloide wrote...

This equipment set isn't theoretically possible.  Each piece is theoretically possible but the set assembled together is not.  There's simply not enough money in acts I and II combined to buy every skill and attribute boost on top of getting stealth boots, etched ring of the twins, and puzzle ring of the black fox.  I really see where you're coming from on this point but the only reason I'm mentoining it at all is that you're encouraging others to 'try this at home' but this set-up is not reproducable at home through normal play.  You also took someone to task early in the thread for saying a bugged item is 'not legit' because 'this result was achieved using a non-modded DA2 ruleset, thus, it is legitimate by definition' but this result isn't avilable in game without modding. So by your own definition this isn't 'legit' but I would have to agree that limiting yourself to the amount of gold actually available by the end of Act II wouldn't have change a ton.

This is a video illustrating a certain pre-1.02 (and, hopefully, post-1.02, when Lacerate will get patched again) mechanic, not a video illustrating how much gold can be earned by the end of Act II. If you try it at home, switching Black Fox and Etched for Fallen Star and Resilience, you'll get a very similar result.

Truth be told, I begin to feel like a parrot, going over the same argument for fourth or fifth time. Therefore, further comments discussing my gear will be ignored. They bear no relevance to the mechanic demonstrated.

[Stinkface27]

IN1 wrote...

Stinkface27 wrote...

Your attitude towards posters is really detracting from the epicness of your accomplishment. You don't need to jump down everyone's throats. =/

I thought it was a great video, by the way. I'm playing a rogue now and I'm glad to see it can be as awesome as I felt my mage and warriors were!

1. My attitude, such as it is, is my personal flaw, totally unrelated to the "epicness" of this "accomplishment".

2. I'm usually a well-mannered person, but being called a cheater does not exactly warm my heart. Let me assure you, you would not appreciate being criticized in such a destructive fashion, too.

3. People misinterpret my motives (judging by "epicness" and "accomplishment", so do you). I don't show off, I show mechanics-related gimmicks. That's it. In other words: there is nothing epic about shields using armor value for base damage, as far as I am concerned.  

Thank you for expertly proving my point. 

Modifié par Stinkface27, 15 avril 2011 - 09:29 .

[IN1]

Stinkface27 wrote...

IN1 wrote...

Stinkface27 wrote...

Your attitude towards posters is really detracting from the epicness of your accomplishment. You don't need to jump down everyone's throats. =/

I thought it was a great video, by the way. I'm playing a rogue now and I'm glad to see it can be as awesome as I felt my mage and warriors were!

1. My attitude, such as it is, is my personal flaw, totally unrelated to the "epicness" of this "accomplishment".

2. I'm usually a well-mannered person, but being called a cheater does not exactly warm my heart. Let me assure you, you would not appreciate being criticized in such a destructive fashion, too.

3. People misinterpret my motives (judging by "epicness" and "accomplishment", so do you). I don't show off, I show mechanics-related gimmicks. That's it. In other words: there is nothing epic about shields using armor value for base damage, as far as I am concerned.  

Thank you for expertly proving my point. 

In all honesty, my reply to you was calm, correct and non-offensive. You are ridiculously over-reacting now.

[Stinkface27]

IN1 wrote...

Stinkface27 wrote...

IN1 wrote...

Stinkface27 wrote...

Your attitude towards posters is really detracting from the epicness of your accomplishment. You don't need to jump down everyone's throats. =/

I thought it was a great video, by the way. I'm playing a rogue now and I'm glad to see it can be as awesome as I felt my mage and warriors were!

1. My attitude, such as it is, is my personal flaw, totally unrelated to the "epicness" of this "accomplishment".

2. I'm usually a well-mannered person, but being called a cheater does not exactly warm my heart. Let me assure you, you would not appreciate being criticized in such a destructive fashion, too.

3. People misinterpret my motives (judging by "epicness" and "accomplishment", so do you). I don't show off, I show mechanics-related gimmicks. That's it. In other words: there is nothing epic about shields using armor value for base damage, as far as I am concerned.  

Thank you for expertly proving my point. 

In all honesty, my reply to you was calm, correct and non-offensive. You are ridiculously over-reacting now.

In your opinion, of course. By all means, carry on streamrolling anyone who dare posts in your thread with all the "calm", "correct" and "non-offensiveness" of a toddler having a tantrum.

[Feogrisha]

Seriously now, he is "calm and non-offensive". How could anyone possibly get offended here?