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[Chiramu]

 Just wondering about their roles in DA2 and DA3. Flemeth is a big character, I thought that she would have been a main villain in DA2 cause of all the concept art concerning her; but she turned out to be only in the game for a few moments.
And she mentions Morrigan when she saves you from the darkspawn, does that mean we will be dealing with Morrigan in DA3?
Will we end up killing Flemeth and Morrigan in DA3 or will we be working with them in the future? 

Flemeth's appearance in DA2 really confused me.

What are your thoughts everyone?

[Jorrkit]

I was confused by Flemeth's role in DA2, as well. I was expecting her to figure much more prominently into the plot, or to at least have some of my questions answered. I wasn't really happy that the game told us almost nothing new about Flemeth, and I saw neither hide nor hair of my Warden, Morrigan, or their son.

[Kawamura]

Why does Flemeth have to be a villain?

[uriel256]

I think Flemeth played a similar role in both DAO and DA2. She puts the hero on the path and sets them loose upon the world. Personally, I think Flemeth is playing a really complicated game and even Morrigan is just a pawn on the board. Whether or not Flemeth turns out to be a villain in the end will depend heavily on who she's playing against and what the stakes are. My personal theory revolves around her being an escaped old god who is attempting to free her fellows from the heavens and/or the abyss and is playing against Fen'Harel the dread wolf, and that ultimately the hero of whichever game this plays out in will choose whether or not to unleash the gods or stop Flemeth and ensure their continued imprisonment.

It might be a crazy theory, but I'm fond of it.

[Emperor Iaius I]

They saved Urthemiel. They're the heroes.

[Avilia]

Not that crazy imho. I tend towards her being Fen'Harel myself. The only god left on earth and now she's trying to free/keep imprisoned the other gods.

I think she's not Flemeth and simply adopted that persona for convenience. Much easier to explain a witch than a god ;-)

[noxpanda]

uriel256 wrote...

I think Flemeth played a similar role in both DAO and DA2. She puts the hero on the path and sets them loose upon the world. Personally, I think Flemeth is playing a really complicated game and even Morrigan is just a pawn on the board. Whether or not Flemeth turns out to be a villain in the end will depend heavily on who she's playing against and what the stakes are. My personal theory revolves around her being an escaped old god who is attempting to free her fellows from the heavens and/or the abyss and is playing against Fen'Harel the dread wolf, and that ultimately the hero of whichever game this plays out in will choose whether or not to unleash the gods or stop Flemeth and ensure their continued imprisonment.

It might be a crazy theory, but I'm fond of it.

I reckon she's an old god trying to dig up her fellows before the blight corrupts them into more archdemons, hence using morrigan to save the soul of the archdemon from origins (although i dont reckon morrigan is aware of this plan). I also reckon shes the one responsible for both the champion and the wardens disappearances. I just hope they don't make her the big villain of da3, because shes an awesome character and tbh i'd rather like to help her, save the dragons!

*Edit* i also don't believe the old gods to be related to the creators, i'm talking about the old gods as in the dragons who taught mortals magic and got imprisoned under the earth as punishment.

Modifié par noxpanda, 09 avril 2011 - 01:11 .

[uriel256]

You know, I hadn't really considered it before, but Flemeth could easily be Fen'Haral, who has decided to free her fellows because of the blight corrupting them. I always thought that despite all her power, Flemeth must be squaring off against a more powerful opponent, which is why she acts through agents rather than directly intervening, but it could be that she's trying to avoid the blight's taint herself, which could severely limit her ability to directly intervene.

And I completely agree with noxpanda that the old gods aren't Gods in the normal sense. I always thought of them as being more in line with the Greek pantheon, who did not create mortals or the world but are more powerful than mortals and live bigger lives. and part of my pantheon sensibility has led me to thinking that Flemeth has always been the wise crone amongst even others of her kind, which is how she evaded being imprisoned by Fen'Haral in the first place. Flemeth always has a contingency, even for an unexpected but inevitable betrayal.

So, now I'm less sure. Either Flemeth is Fen'Haral who has changed her mind about imprisoning her fellows because of the blight's corruption or Flemeth is Fen'Haral's loose end who is trying to free her fellows in opposition to Fen'Haral.

This also throws my "Fen'Haral ordained himself the Maker and started the Chantry's anti-magic vendetta in an attempt to foil Flemeth" theory into the "that seems less likely than other explanations" category. Which is too bad, because that was a fun one.

[Chiramu]

That's a really good idea for Flemeth .

I never really thought that much about what she could be because of the lack of screen time that she has.

Although, it makes me wonder about why Merril would act so politely to Flemeth if she were Fen'harel. Since the Dalish are wary of that god. I imagine most Dalish would not even want to be in the sight of him, though Merril is a weirdo.

[Bfler]

Obviously Flemeth is a Dragon and I hope that we will not see her in DA3 as a copy of Deathwing.

Modifié par Bfler, 10 avril 2011 - 12:24 .

[Wee Joe Green]

Yeah I absolutely agree, I expected much more from Flemeth with the build up on her pre-launch which the screenshots and trailer etc. If they do feature in DA3, it's unusual they'd wait until two games down the line to explain what we've been waiting for - and expected - in Dragon Age 2.

[TEWR]

My theory? She's the Maker.

[TripLight]

Sandal's Prophecy:

"One day the magic will come back - all of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see.

Eleni Zinovia (Tevinter Statue in Mage Origin)


>.>

[Ymladdych]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

My theory? She's the Maker.

I don't think she is.  When she's talking to Ser Jory in DAO, she says something along the lines of (total paraphrasing follows), "Now there's a smart lad.  Sadly irrelevant to the larger scheme of things, but it is not I who decides."

She *is* something, though.  One thing that especially caught my attention was her interaction with Merrill on Sundermount.  I got the feeling that Flemeth was telling Merrill, "I'm the last person you should be bending a knee to, you just don't know it yet." 

And if I'm right, would that be a warning ("I'm Fen'Harel and I screw you guys every chance I get")?  Or a regret ("I'm Andraste and I failed your people")?  Mulgrew did an amazing job, because there's emotion there, but it escapes identification.

[Ymladdych]

Alistairlover94 wrote...
How can she possibly be Andraste if The Warden discovered her ashes, and used some of it to cure Arl Eamon.

I think Flemeth's an Old God, hence why she wanted to preserve Urthemiel's soul.

How could there be a dead dragon corpse at the hut if Flemeth's alive and well in an amulet?

Hmmmm...

[Ymladdych]

Alistairlover94 wrote...
Forgot about her going Voldemort

LOL.  Well...even before we knew there was a horcrux thing going on, Morrigan says in DAO that Flemeth can survive her body's death; she just moves on to a new one.

If it's any consolation, though, Andraste (whether she's Flemeth or not) might have *possibly* been a Dumat OGB.  Her campaign against the Empire took place about 25 years after the first Blight ended, and I don't think we have an official word about Andraste's age or date of birth.

Interesting codex about Andraste and Sundermount (where Flemeth is reborn)

[TEWR]

Ymladdych wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

My theory? She's the Maker.

I don't think she is.  When she's talking to Ser Jory in DAO, she says something along the lines of (total paraphrasing follows), "Now there's a smart lad.  Sadly irrelevant to the larger scheme of things, but it is not I who decides."

She *is* something, though.  One thing that especially caught my attention was her interaction with Merrill on Sundermount.  I got the feeling that Flemeth was telling Merrill, "I'm the last person you should be bending a knee to, you just don't know it yet." 

And if I'm right, would that be a warning ("I'm Fen'Harel and I screw you guys every chance I get")?  Or a regret ("I'm Andraste and I failed your people")?  Mulgrew did an amazing job, because there's emotion there, but it escapes identification.

I don't know. An omnipotent and omniscient God doesn't have to be holding the reins and setting everything in motion. But she definitely knew that things were going to happen. She knew a Blight would occur after Maric's death. But who knows maybe she is Fen'Harel.
 
or just a crazy old woman who talks funny and somehow knows things so she keeps herself alive for centuries because she's crazy.

[Blze001]

My money is totally on Fen'Harel. Think about it: every Thedas-shattering event to happen in the past 10 years happened because of her.

Oh, she didn't do anything that could be construed as direct involvment, no no no. But she did 'just so happen' to be in a position to save both the Warden and Hawke. That 'coincidence', to quote Daveth, makes my nose itch.

[TEWR]

But why would the Trickster God care?

[nosNospeak]

What i dont understand is how she got the whole new "Look" Just dont understand it unless she had another kid?. I r confused on that @-@;'

[bti79]

It seems most likely that Flemeth is Fen'Harel.

This is why she referred to the elves as "the people" (a wording that appears in the lore about Fen'Harel), and asked Merril if she knew who she (Flemeth) was "...beyond that title". Flemeth could probably sense that Merril were looking into elven history and lore, and believed that there might be a slight chance that Merril had figured out who she was. Probably fortunate for Merril that she had not or at least didn't admit so.

[JAWart]

I happened to find a codex entry, the one titled Highever, and I was very surprised to find flemeth mentioned in it. This is what it said:

"...in the days before Amaranthine became an arling itself. The outpost of Highever was originally held by the Elstan family, cousins of the Howes. In the Age of Towers, however, Bann Conobar Elstan was murdered by his wife, Flemeth, thus ending the bloodline. Conobar's captain of the guard, Sarim Cousland, took the lands and title."

I had originally been leaning toward the idea of idea of Flemeth being Fen'Harel because of her wit and connection with the elves but this bit of information threw me for a loop. So I did more research; According to the Codex titled Flemeth, She killed Conobar because he killed her lover, but she did this by making a deal with a demon and became possessed herself. But Flemeth can't be an abomination because in Witch Hunt I believe, Morrigan says she isn't an Abomination or even Human for that matter. It just didn't make sense with the theory of her being Fen'Harel. And I know it cannot be a simple matter of the writers useing the same name for two diffrent people,

Also in another thread, some one suggsted that maybe Morrigan was in fact a piece of Flemeth, like a clone or something? In DAII Flemeth tells Hawke that she put a piece of herself in the amulet "in case the inevetible were to happen, and knowing Morrigan it already had." (paraphrasing there). By that time the warden may have killed Flemeth; Flemeth knowing this thus stored a piece of herself away just in case.

What if there was some truth to Flemeth taking her daughter's bodies, but what if her daughter, including Morrigan, where peices of herself? Compare pictures of the two, they have the same eye color, nose and face shape just Flemeth is older version of Morrigan and vise versa. In DA origins when talking to flemeth she mentioned how she used to be young and beautiful like Morrigan which caused men to fight over her (Conobar and Osen) which she wasn't happy about.

Now, technically there really is nothing from the codex or game to suggest Flemeth is Fen'Harel; but this other information I found, I found in the game and in the Codex. It doesn't suggest Flemeth to be Fen'Harel either nor does it suggest her to be an old god, definately not the maker and I doubt shes suppose to be Andraste.

And side note, Sandel mentions an old lady with a scary laugh watching him as he sleeps in DAII. Why would Sandel mean anything to Flemeth?

And that gift Morrigan left for the Warden at the end of Witch Hunt, we were never told what it was. Did it have soemthing to do with Flemeth's true identity?

So what is she? Who is she?

I realized I've raised more questions then answers but thought i'd just toss that out there as food for thought.

[JAWart]

I happened to find a codex entry, the one titled Highever, and I was very surprised to find flemeth mentioned in it. This is what it said:
"...in the days before Amaranthine became an arling itself. The outpost of Highever was originally held by the Elstan family, cousins of the Howes. In the Age of Towers, however, Bann Conobar Elstan was murdered by his wife, Flemeth, thus ending the bloodline. Conobar's captain of the guard, Sarim Cousland, took the lands and title."
I had originally been leaning toward the idea of idea of Flemeth being Fen'Harel because of her wit and connection with the elves but this bit of information threw me for a loop. So I did more research; According to the Codex titled Flemeth, She killed Conobar because he killed her lover, but she did this by making a deal with a demon and became possessed herself. But Flemeth can't be an abomination because in Witch Hunt I believe, Morrigan says she isn't an Abomination or even Human for that matter.  It just didn't make sense with the theory of her being Fen'Harel. And I know it cannot be a simple matter of the writers useing the same name for two diffrent people,
Also in another thread, some one suggsted that maybe Morrigan was in fact a piece of Flemeth, like a clone or something? In DAII Flemeth tells Hawke that she put a piece of herself in the amulet "in case the inevetible were to happen, and knowing Morrigan it already had." (paraphrasing there). By that time the warden may have killed Flemeth; Flemeth knowing this thus stored a piece of herself away just in case.
What if there was some truth to Flemeth taking her daughter's bodies, but what if her daughter, including Morrigan, where peices of herself? Compare pictures of the two, they have the same eye color, nose and face shape just Flemeth is older version of Morrigan and vise versa. In DA origins when talking to flemeth she mentioned how she used to be young and beautiful like Morrigan which caused men to fight over her (Conobar and Osen) which she wasn't happy about.
Now, technically there really is nothing from the codex or game to suggest Flemeth is Fen'Harel; but this other information I found, I found in the game and in the Codex. It doesn't suggest Flemeth to be Fen'Harel either nor does it suggest her to be an old god, definately not the maker and I doubt shes suppose to be Andraste.
And side note, Sandel mentions an old lady with a scary laugh watching him as he sleeps in DAII. Why would Sandel mean anything to Flemeth?
And that gift Morrigan left for the Warden at the end of Witch Hunt, we were never told what it was. Did it have soemthing to do with Flemeth's true identity?
So what is she? Who is she?
I realized I've raised more questions then answers but thought i'd just toss that out there as food for thought.