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[Seena]

kenelis wrote...

Males like this are players. Females like this are <insert s-word>. Aren't double standards grand?

I keep hoping - we've made progress in terms of minority and gay rights after all..  

[DeathStride]

Seena wrote...

The real question is - do I recall people fretting so much over Zevran's healthy sexual appetites?

Touché.

[LadyVaJedi]

My femhawke is a straight female. So no even if she was bi/gay hell no.

[A Scientist being crucified]

Seena wrote...

Believe me ASBC - at my age, it isn't "just now" ; )

I'm so sorry.

Sometimes I also wonder why the society has come to this? Doesn't everyone has a sister or a girlfirend or a wife or at least a mother? It just doesn't make sense to me to oppress the 50 percent of the population.

But on the other hand, it's nothing wrong for a guy to want to have a girlfriend who hasn't been with a lot of other guys before. It's also human nature.

[Ryzaki]

No. Not unless I'm doing it for the lulz.

[Seena]

A Scientist being crucified wrote...

I'm so sorry.

Sometimes I also wonder why the society has come to this? Doesn't everyone has a sister or a girlfirend or a wife or at least a mother? It just doesn't make sense to me to oppress the 50 percent of the population.

But on the other hand, it's nothing wrong for a guy to want to have a girlfriend who hasn't been with a lot of other guys before. It's also human nature.

Nothing to be sorry about - unless you consciously recognize that there's a problem, and continue to contribute to it.

As for a guy wanting a girl who hasn't been with a lot of other guys  - you're ill pressed to refer to it as "human nature".  Sexual mores aren't cross- cultural -  or even cross-societal.

I don't know how old you are but trust me - for many men this becomes a non issue after the age of 40.

[Merced652]

Seena wrote...

A Scientist being crucified wrote...

I'm so sorry.

Sometimes I also wonder why the society has come to this? Doesn't everyone has a sister or a girlfirend or a wife or at least a mother? It just doesn't make sense to me to oppress the 50 percent of the population.

But on the other hand, it's nothing wrong for a guy to want to have a girlfriend who hasn't been with a lot of other guys before. It's also human nature.

Nothing to be sorry about - unless you consciously recognize that there's a problem, and continue to contribute to it.

As for a guy wanting a girl who hasn't been with a lot of other guys  - you're ill pressed to refer to it as "human nature".  Sexual mores aren't cross- cultural -  or even cross-societal.

I don't know how old you are but trust me - for many men this becomes a non issue after the age of 40.

While i'm not at that magical number, it hasn't dimmed at all for me since i was younger. I simply have no interest in a woman who has an attitude a little to akin to a young Elizabeth Taylor. I use her just because of all the press her death has recently gotten, as well as all the scandals she was a part of for her attitude towards certain things. 

May 12, 1959Marries singer Eddie Fisher. Fisher was still married to Debbie Reynolds when the relationship began and the relationship causes a huge scandal. When asked about the relationship in an interview, Taylor quipped: "What do you expect me to do? Sleep alone?"

Why yes, yes i do, at least for portions of the time. 


I also must say, the male demographic, at least in the US for men age 40 and over, will be dominated by married men. I would assume it would be similar for women, not that such a thing can change ones attitude. :innocent:

Modifié par Merced652, 09 avril 2011 - 07:45 .

[5ubzer0]

The mere thought of encountering a woman comfortable with her sexuality is horrible, right? She may even dare to have sex with whomever she wants, regardless of what others think. Oh noes, what will the Chantry say!

I doubt the OP would have bothered to start this thread, if a male character had been as free with his love as Izzy may be. Long live double standards!

[A Scientist being crucified]

Seena wrote...

A Scientist being crucified wrote...

I'm so sorry.

Sometimes I also wonder why the society has come to this? Doesn't everyone has a sister or a girlfirend or a wife or at least a mother? It just doesn't make sense to me to oppress the 50 percent of the population.

But on the other hand, it's nothing wrong for a guy to want to have a girlfriend who hasn't been with a lot of other guys before. It's also human nature.

Nothing to be sorry about - unless you consciously recognize that there's a problem, and continue to contribute to it.

As for a guy wanting a girl who hasn't been with a lot of other guys  - you're ill pressed to refer to it as "human nature".  Sexual mores aren't cross- cultural -  or even cross-societal.

I don't know how old you are but trust me - for many men this becomes a non issue after the age of 40.

It's indeed human nature. The reason for every guy who has that feeling is very simple. I hate to boil it down to the biological perspective, but it's true that most male can not be sure his kid is actually his. And how can he make sure about this? The only way to secure this historical mission is to prohibit his woman to have any sexual contacts with any other men. Always remember that gene is selfish.

But that's not my point. My point is we should recognize the problem while accepting that it's a human thing. Denial just makes it worse. And THEN, we can improve by defying our inferior nature with reason and logic.

[tmp7704]

Seena wrote...

The real question is - do I recall people fretting so much over Zevran's healthy sexual appetites?

I don't recall anyone calling Zevran's sexual appetites specifically healthy, if that's supposed to be honest question. You also have missed fretting over Zevran displaying his sexual appetite to Hawke after being in romance with their Warden.

Modifié par tmp7704, 09 avril 2011 - 07:56 .

[A Scientist being crucified]

5ubzer0 wrote...

The mere thought of encountering a woman comfortable with her sexuality is horrible, right? She may even dare to have sex with whomever she wants, regardless of what others think. Oh noes, what will the Chantry say!

I doubt the OP would have bothered to start this thread, if a male character had been as free with his love as Izzy may be. Long live double standards!

The doubt is incorrect, the OP is actually feeling very bad right now. And he wants to say,"I know. I am terrible and it makes me sad. May I rest my head in your bosom? I wish to cry."

[Merced652]

A Scientist being crucified wrote...

5ubzer0 wrote...

The mere thought of encountering a woman comfortable with her sexuality is horrible, right? She may even dare to have sex with whomever she wants, regardless of what others think. Oh noes, what will the Chantry say!

I doubt the OP would have bothered to start this thread, if a male character had been as free with his love as Izzy may be. Long live double standards!

The doubt is incorrect, the OP is actually feeling very bad right now. And he wants to say,"I know. I am terrible and it makes me sad. May I rest my head in your bosom? I wish to cry."

Shameful display. 

[naughty99]

tmp7704 wrote...

Seena wrote...

The real question is - do I recall people fretting so much over Zevran's healthy sexual appetites?

I don't recall anyone calling Zevran's sexual appetites specifically healthy, if that's supposed to be honest question. You also have missed fretting over Zevran displaying his sexual appetite to Hawke after being in romance with their Warden.

I don't think this is case of double standard.

IIRC there was actually a line of dialogue that suggests isabella has some sort of STD when you go to visit Anders's clinic and Isabella is already there.

[5ubzer0]

A Scientist being crucified wrote...

And how can he make sure about this? The only way to secure this historical mission is to prohibit his woman to have any sexual contacts with any other men. Always remember that gene is selfish.

Your choice of words here is very telling. It is one thing to support monogamy. You, however, present a view in which men are allowed to "prohibit' sexual promiscuity of "their women."

Well, any self-respecting, self-confident woman will rip your heart out, if you try to "prohibit" her from doing whatever she pleases. And rightfully so.

[Merced652]

5ubzer0 wrote...

A Scientist being crucified wrote...

And how can he make sure about this? The only way to secure this historical mission is to prohibit his woman to have any sexual contacts with any other men. Always remember that gene is selfish.

Your choice of words here is very telling. It is one thing to support monogamy. You, however, present a view in which men are allowed to "prohibit' sexual promiscuity of "their women."

Well, any self-respecting, self-confident woman will rip your heart out, if you try to "prohibit" her from doing whatever she pleases. And rightfully so.

Can i come to the rally?

[randName]

Seena wrote...

The real question is - do I recall people fretting so much over Zevran's healthy sexual appetites?

I also find this tiresome, but if you check one of the recent companion threads Isabela is doing decently rating wise.

& I like Isabela, I do find that they push sexual inneundo banters a bit too far frequency wise - but then almost, if not all the companions are pushed to display their special kind of uniqness so hard that it feels a bit overzelous and most of them end up feeling shallow.

[Seena]

A Scientist being crucified wrote...

It's indeed human nature. The reason for every guy who has that feeling is very simple. I hate to boil it down to the biological perspective, but it's true that most male can not be sure his kid is actually his. And how can he make sure about this? The only way to secure this historical mission is to prohibit his woman to have any sexual contacts with any other men. Always remember that gene is selfish.

To say something is "human nature" - it must be universal.

I'm sorry - but you are wrong - that feeling is not universal.

I'll use my own culture as an example. I am half Iroquois - (Mohawk).  You get your clan (which defines who you are) -- from your mother. Why? (And this ties somewhat into your "theory" -however incorrect it is as expressed) 

Because you always know who your mother is.

You never know for certain, who your father is. (No matter how hard they might work to keep their women secluded.)

Sexual freedom was the rule in Iroquois society - when a woman grew tired of a man - his shoes and weapons were placed outside the longhouse (which she owned).

There are many cultures where a sexually experienced woman is seen as a desirable thing. They don't however tend to be ones where Christianity or Islam have any significant sway. (Although I'd say some Latin American cultures have gotten beyond this, big time.)

And I'm sorry - if you feel that human perspectives/thoughts/desires etc are simply goverened by genes - you do us a great disservice.

But that's not my point. My point is we should recognize the problem while accepting that it's a human thing. Denial just makes it worse. And THEN, we can improve by defying our inferior nature with reason and logic.

That certainly didn't come across in your original post.

And I'll continue to have faith that darwinian theory isn't really what determines our behaviors.

Modifié par Seena, 09 avril 2011 - 09:25 .

[Seena]

tmp7704 wrote...

Seena wrote...

The real question is - do I recall people fretting so much over Zevran's healthy sexual appetites?

I don't recall anyone calling Zevran's sexual appetites specifically healthy, if that's supposed to be honest question. You also have missed fretting over Zevran displaying his sexual appetite to Hawke after being in romance with their Warden.

I recall distress over his bisexuality. I don't recall any wheres NEAR the fretting over his quantity of sex.

[Seena]

randName wrote...

Seena wrote...

The real question is - do I recall people fretting so much over Zevran's healthy sexual appetites?

I also find this tiresome, but if you check one of the recent companion threads Isabela is doing decently rating wise.

& I like Isabela, I do find that they push sexual inneundo banters a bit too far frequency wise - but then almost, if not all the companions are pushed to display their special kind of uniqness so hard that it feels a bit overzelous and most of them end up feeling shallow.

My take on her is - she doesn't feel she's "likeable" - so she goes out her way to shock/offend/push buttons. if she flat out doesn't like you - she doesn't push buttons, she wacks the hell out of them.  She thinks people aren't going to like her anyway, so she might as well push them away before they draw away themselves.

She hides all of this in a "I don't care what people think about me" attitude - which, is true to a point, but she does care what those she herself cares for, think of her.

[A Scientist being crucified]

5ubzer0 wrote...

A Scientist being crucified wrote...

And how can he make sure about this? The only way to secure this historical mission is to prohibit his woman to have any sexual contacts with any other men. Always remember that gene is selfish.

Your choice of words here is very telling. It is one thing to support monogamy. You, however, present a view in which men are allowed to "prohibit' sexual promiscuity of "their women."

Well, any self-respecting, self-confident woman will rip your heart out, if you try to "prohibit" her from doing whatever she pleases. And rightfully so.

I DIDN"T mean that. My point was, every man would subconsciously think that in terms of biology. My idea is that we should realize this fact, and deal with it rationally. I don't represent any theories here, I'm merely discussing the matter in a manner of critical-thinking.

Besides, you don't agree with monogamy? I still don't think a married woman should have sex with any guy rather than her husband. Maybe I'm old fationed, it's just my personal opinion. (I'm actually 20, but maybe I'm still too old for some people:lol:)


Oh, I'm still feeling very sad, may I rest my head in your bosom?

[tmp7704]

Seena wrote...

I recall distress over his bisexuality. I don't recall any wheres NEAR the fretting over his quantity of sex.

The background likely played some role in that, i think. If Isabela was born in the ****house, raised there collectively by the staff and trained to be one (along with being a murderer) from the get-go, complaining about the level of her sexual experience and attitude towards it would come across considerably more silly, imo.

[Seena]

I also must say, the male demographic, at least in the US for men age 40 and over, will be dominated by married men. I would assume it would be similar for women, not that such a thing can change ones attitude. :innocent:

Men who have often been divorced and remarried - sometimes multiple times.

And just because a person is married - doesn't mean they are monogmous.

[th3warr1or]

DeathStride wrote...
I bang that like a screen door in a hurricane.

HAHAHAHHAAH.

[Seena]

tmp7704 wrote...

The background likely played some role in that, i think. If Isabela was born in the ****house, raised there collectively by the staff and trained to be one (along with being a murderer) from the get-go, complaining about the level of her sexual experience and attitude towards it would come across considerably more silly, imo.

I think any complaining about her sexual  experience is silly