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[FellowerOfOdin]

Seena wrote...

The real question is - do I recall people fretting so much over Zevran's healthy sexual appetites?

Zevhran is a guy. Most players are males. Normal..eh...straight men. Thus...Zevhran is not even close to be hit on.

[tmp7704]

Seena wrote...
I think any complaining about her sexual  experience is silly

Maybe, but there's still different degrees of silliness imo.   In the sense you can consider it silly just on the grounds it doesn't  match your personal view, but then there's silliness that's complaining about someone's behaviour when they had been conditioned into it largely without making conscious personal choice.

[Seena]

FellowerOfOdin wrote...

Seena wrote...

The real question is - do I recall people fretting so much over Zevran's healthy sexual appetites?

Zevhran is a guy. Most players are males. Normal..eh...straight men. Thus...Zevhran is not even close to be hit on.

I think "most" is quickly becoming a thing of the past.

[A Scientist being crucified]

Seena wrote...

A Scientist being crucified wrote...

It's indeed human nature. The reason for every guy who has that feeling is very simple. I hate to boil it down to the biological perspective, but it's true that most male can not be sure his kid is actually his. And how can he make sure about this? The only way to secure this historical mission is to prohibit his woman to have any sexual contacts with any other men. Always remember that gene is selfish.

To say something is "human nature" - it must be universal.

I'm sorry - but you are wrong - that feeling is not universal.

I'll use my own culture as an example. I am half Iroquois - (Mohawk).  You get your clan (which defines who you are) -- from your mother. Why? (And this ties somewhat into your "theory" -however incorrect it is as expressed) 

Because you always know who your mother is.

You never know for certain, who your father is. (No matter how hard they might work to keep their women secluded.)

Sexual freedom was the rule in Iroquois society - when a woman grew tired of a man - his shoes and weapons were placed outside the longhouse (which she owned).

There are many cultures where a sexually experienced woman is seen as a desirable thing. They don't however tend to be ones where Christianity or Islam have any significant sway. (Although I'd say some Latin American cultues have gotten beyond this, big time.)

And I'm sorry - if you feel that human perspectives/thoughts/desires etc are simply goverened by genes - you do us a great disservice.

But that's not my point. My point is we should recognize the problem while accepting that it's a human thing. Denial just makes it worse. And THEN, we can improve by defying our inferior nature with reason and logic.

That certainly didn't come across in your original post.

And I'll continue to have faith that darwinian theory isn't really what determines our behaviors.

Alright, I think I have made my point, and you have made yours. And everyone else should be able to find their interpretation from this. I don't feel that we are debating? Are we? Because I'm not angry or anything, I actually feel good, your words give me a lot to think about. So thank you for telling me a truehearted point of view. And I'm just curious, if it's not too personal, what is your other half of bloodline? I swear this isn't a trick, I just found your case is most fascinating.

[Seena]

tmp7704 wrote...

Maybe, but there's still different degrees of silliness imo.   In the sense you can consider it silly just on the grounds it doesn't  match your personal view, but then there's silliness that's complaining about someone's behaviour when they had been conditioned into it largely without making conscious personal choice.

I hear what you're saying - but honestly I never related Zevran's enormous sexual appetite to his life growing up in a brothel.

In fact - I'd almost think it was traumatic and would actually push him to NOT be "promiscuous" (hate the word)

Although I seem to recall him specifically saying that his childhood in the brothel wasn't all that bad.  It was his sale to the Crows that seemed to be more traumatic. (But I might be remembering this wrong..)

[Seena]

A Scientist being crucified wrote...

Alright, I think I have made my point, and you have made yours. And everyone else should be able to find their interpretation from this. I don't feel that we are debating? Are we? Because I'm not angry or anything, I actually feel good, your words give me a lot to think about. So thank you for telling me a truehearted point of view. And I'm just curious, if it's not too personal, what is your other half of bloodline? I swear this isn't a trick, I just found your case is most fascinating.

There is nothing wrong with civil debate. And why would I think you are angry?

"Something to think about" - is a start.

My mother was Irish. Irish Catholic in fact. And she did what she wanted, when she wanted-  no man would have dared try to tell her what to do.

Oh - I'm not a "case".  I'm a person.   

Modifié par Seena, 09 avril 2011 - 08:47 .

[tmp7704]

Seena wrote...

Although I seem to recall him specifically saying that his childhood in the brothel wasn't all that bad.  It was his sale to the Crows that seemed to be more traumatic. (But I might be remembering this wrong..)

He says something to that effect if i remember right, but the way it's voiced and worded felt strongly to me like a mix of putting on a facade and consciously choosing the "if the life gives you lemons" attitude. There seems to be an undercurrent of bitterness if nothing else, and well, then there's his approach to love, someting that takes him long time to come to terms with.
But that's probably subject ejoslin would be best equipped to discuss

[A Scientist being crucified]

Seena wrote...

A Scientist being crucified wrote...

Alright, I think I have made my point, and you have made yours. And everyone else should be able to find their interpretation from this. I don't feel that we are debating? Are we? Because I'm not angry or anything, I actually feel good, your words give me a lot to think about. So thank you for telling me a truehearted point of view. And I'm just curious, if it's not too personal, what is your other half of bloodline? I swear this isn't a trick, I just found your case is most fascinating.

There is nothing wrong with civil debate. And why would I think you are angry?

"Something to think about" - is a start.

My mother was Irish. Irish Catholic in fact. And she did what she wanted, when she wanted-  no man would have dared try to tell her what to do.

Oh - I'm not a "case".  I'm a person.   

I also met a girl with an iron backbone long ago...your mother reminds me of her. (And she's Irish too)

And haha! Of course you are a case, you are a special subject to me and I'm gonna do evil experiments on you!!!

[Seena]

tmp7704 wrote...

He says something to that effect if i remember right, but the way it's voiced and worded felt strongly to me like a mix of putting on a facade and consciously choosing the "if the life gives you lemons" attitude. There seems to be an undercurrent of bitterness if nothing else, and well, then there's his approach to love, someting that takes him long time to come to terms with.
But that's probably subject ejoslin would be best equipped to discuss

I've never romanced Zevran (sucker for Leliana) - I've been thinking of another playthrough - what you've said makes me want to explore him further.

thanks!

[5ubzer0]

A Scientist being crucified wrote...
Besides, you don't agree with monogamy? I still don't think a married woman should have sex with any guy rather than her husband. Maybe I'm old fationed, it's just my personal opinion. (I'm actually 20, but maybe I'm still too old for some people:lol:)

Oh, I'm still feeling very sad, may I rest my head in your bosom?

You have not talked about monogamy here. Monogamy is a mutual agreement between two partners to remain sexually exclusive to each other. So where are your comments about women having the right to "prohibit" "their men" from being promiscuous?

Personally, I believe you started this thread with the intent of bashing Izzy, solely because you do not seem to agree with her promiscuous behavior. You call it old-fashioned. I call it sexist.

Oh, and I am also feeling quite sad. May I pinch you butt and send you off to your corner to practice some more of that critical thinking of yours?

[Sarielle]

Seena wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

He says something to that effect if i remember right, but the way it's voiced and worded felt strongly to me like a mix of putting on a facade and consciously choosing the "if the life gives you lemons" attitude. There seems to be an undercurrent of bitterness if nothing else, and well, then there's his approach to love, someting that takes him long time to come to terms with.
But that's probably subject ejoslin would be best equipped to discuss

I've never romanced Zevran (sucker for Leliana) - I've been thinking of another playthrough - what you've said makes me want to explore him further.

thanks!

Excluding Morrigan (because I didn't romance her), imo the Zevran romance is the sweetest/most interesting.

[tmp7704]

Seena wrote...

I've never romanced Zevran (sucker for Leliana) - I've been thinking of another playthrough - what you've said makes me want to explore him further.

I bet he'd have something naughty to say about it

Have fun, and probably best to get one of these Zevran dialogue fix mods before you try, if you have the pc version. I haven't actually tried romance with him myself, but from glances at the patch notes they fix quite a few things.

[Seena]

Thank- you Sarielle and tmp7704 - will now have to rush through Dead Space 2

Unfortuanetly I am using the PS3 version - so I don't have access to the mods. But I'll make do

[A Scientist being crucified]

5ubzer0 wrote...

A Scientist being crucified wrote...
Besides, you don't agree with monogamy? I still don't think a married woman should have sex with any guy rather than her husband. Maybe I'm old fationed, it's just my personal opinion. (I'm actually 20, but maybe I'm still too old for some people:lol:)

Oh, I'm still feeling very sad, may I rest my head in your bosom?

You have not talked about monogamy here. Monogamy is a mutual agreement between two partners to remain sexually exclusive to each other. So where are your comments about women having the right to "prohibit" "their men" from being promiscuous?

Personally, I believe you started this thread with the intent of bashing Izzy, solely because you do not seem to agree with her promiscuous behavior. You call it old-fashioned. I call it sexist.

Oh, and I am also feeling quite sad. May I pinch you butt and send you off to your corner to practice some more of that critical thinking of yours?

After I rest my head in your bosom?

Modifié par A Scientist being crucified, 09 avril 2011 - 09:38 .

[julian08]

Tirigon wrote...

Gallimatia wrote...

This is where the Witcher has an edge on Hawke. He is immune to STD:s and infertile making him the perfect poster boy for safe and responsible sex.

Yes indeed.

But then, Geralt is superior to hawke in just about anything, so.....

Well, I certainly can't imagine Geralt running around a pillar like a pigtailed schoolgirl to get away from the Arishok like I had to do with my mage.

[Dokarqt]

5ubzer0 wrote...

You have not talked about monogamy here. Monogamy is a mutual agreement between two partners to remain sexually exclusive to each other. So where are your comments about women having the right to "prohibit" "their men" from being promiscuous?

Personally, I believe you started this thread with the intent of bashing Izzy, solely because you do not seem to agree with her promiscuous behavior. You call it old-fashioned. I call it sexist.

Oh, and I am also feeling quite sad. May I pinch you butt and send you off to your corner to practice some more of that critical thinking of yours?

If someone finds Zevran equally disgusting for his behaviour are they still sexist?

You're obviously fine with Isabelas behaviour and hey, to each their own. Just seems to me like your post contains some tones of misandry;)

Modifié par Dokarqt, 09 avril 2011 - 09:39 .

[Merced652]

Dokarqt wrote...

5ubzer0 wrote...

You have not talked about monogamy here. Monogamy is a mutual agreement between two partners to remain sexually exclusive to each other. So where are your comments about women having the right to "prohibit" "their men" from being promiscuous?

Personally, I believe you started this thread with the intent of bashing Izzy, solely because you do not seem to agree with her promiscuous behavior. You call it old-fashioned. I call it sexist.

Oh, and I am also feeling quite sad. May I pinch you butt and send you off to your corner to practice some more of that critical thinking of yours?

If someone finds Zevran equally disgusting for his behaviour are they still sexist?

You're obviously fine with Isabelas behaviour and hey, to each their own. Just seems to me like your post contains some tones of misandry;)

from all those years of blatant abuse at the hands of our miserable society in which women are enslaved. 

[Liou]

It's not a double standard. Atleast not for me. I don't care how many men or women other people have had. I don't judge promiscuous men and women differently. It's none of my business. It only matters if i am interested in a person, and being heterosexual, i am only interested in women. Sexism has nothing to do with it.

[Treasure Woman]

Maybe on my next playthrough. If I can manage to resist both Anders and Fenris. >:[  If not, then maybe on the next playthrough. >=3


Also, can someone remind me how to put those banners in my signature? Haven't updated it in forever. And I forgot how to do it. lol

Modifié par Treasure Woman, 09 avril 2011 - 09:50 .

[Sarielle]

Seena wrote...

Thank- you Sarielle and tmp7704 - will now have to rush through Dead Space 2

Unfortuanetly I am using the PS3 version - so I don't have access to the mods. But I'll make do

I played it unmodded because I didn't realize there were mods out there at the time. :B So it should be fine.

I started that romance on a...shall we say "sexually adventurous" Warden intending it to be a shallow fling type thing, but ended up pursuing the whole thing.

[AirWolf856]

[5ubzer0]

Dokarqt wrote...

If someone finds Zevran equally disgusting for his behaviour are they still sexist?

You're obviously fine with Isabelas behaviour and hey, to each their own. Just seems to me like your post contains some tones of misandry;)

Well, that's new. You accuse me of misandry, because I expect men and women to be judged by the same standards. Clearly the only logical conclusion is that I hate men, right?

Where is the "Will you ever let your Hawke touch Zevran" thread? And yes, I would have a problem with anyone calling Zevran's promiscuity "disgusting." It's a very disrespectful way to talk about someone's sexual behaviour.

[LebatomiBeni]

DeathStride wrote...

A Scientist being crucified wrote...

DeathStride wrote...

You know what was a great game that included STD's? Fable 2. Hilarious that
you could get an STD from sleeping with a prostitute(can't think of any
other game that does that off the top of my head)

Damn!
Are you serious? So in Fable 2, you can't even have a single honest good time even though you just saved the goddamn world?

Technically, I believe you can- I think it's based on a dice roll that's 50% or more likely to infect you.(that's not a direct stat., just one that i'm estimating)

Dude, I married that one guy from the quest with a dead lover. And since I was playing a "good" character, I
never visited prostitutes; he was the only one I slept with.

One day, I look at my stats: You have contracted: 1 STD(s).

WTFFF Either the game's that buggy or my devote husband cheated on me. :|

A Scientist being crucified wrote...

Liou wrote...

You can call me old fashioned if you want to but i prefer women who haven't slept with half the city.

Well, that's INDEED very old fashioned. From what I observe these days, most guys don't care about their girl friend's sexual history. On the other hand, most girls have had sex with 5 or 6 guys at age 18. And 20 or 25 guys at age 25.

My suggestion is to invent a time machine so that you can travel back to the past to find a decent lady. This is the ONLY solution.


(BTW, personally I would like to have sex with a virgin, and possibly marry her, but you see how difficult it is? Somehow it has become a dream these days...)

Where did you get those statistics from?? That seems very... out there.

Whatever the case, you need to get off your behind and find DAT HIDDEN CHERRY!

But back on topic, yes, I would. I was unnerved by Isabela at first, but then I realized that there is more to her and that I'd really like to get to know her. She actually seems very sweet.

And on top of that, she's feckin hot. But I'll romance her after Anders and then Fenris (all the while ignoring that pissy mood of his).

Modifié par LebatomiBeni, 09 avril 2011 - 10:38 .

[Seena]

LebatomiBeni wrote...

Whatever the case, you need to get off your behind and find DAT HIDDEN CHERRY!

I can't think of many things more tedious than teaching someone how to ****.

I have far better things to do than play "You're not even close, here let me show you".....

Modifié par Seena, 10 avril 2011 - 12:13 .

[Eber]

spoiler removed

Modifié par Eber, 10 avril 2011 - 01:04 .