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[DraCZeQQ]

Liou wrote...

It has been said that religion causes hatred in this world but I have always argued against that and this proves my point. Just because that guy has an opinion, you hate at him and name call.

QFT.

It is foolish to blame religion for all the evil in the world. People never needed religion to hate, they can do that just fine without it. It can be because of politic, gender, sexuality, race and even sport. Generaly speaking, many people is just not very good at accepting others opinion.

there is actually a pretty nice corelation between % of atheist in country and "the hatred" ... I mean the more atheist lives in a country and the more religion is diminishing the less is the country prone to war, hate and all that ugly stuff =)

Modifié par DraCZeQQ, 09 avril 2011 - 03:47 .

[barryl89]

I'd love to know how many of you have played Demons Souls? Its a japanese made game but it is nothing like FF. Only on the PS3 mind and some of you elitits might instantly go all superior because of that.

Silent character. A few voiced NPCs.
The best combat ever. Amazing boss fights. Realistic world. Absorbing athmosphere.

[DraCZeQQ]

barryl89 wrote...

I'd love to know how many of you have played Demons Souls? Its a japanese made game but it is nothing like FF. Only on the PS3 mind and some of you elitits might instantly go all superior because of that.

Silent character. A few voiced NPCs.
The best combat ever. Amazing boss fights. Realistic world. Absorbing athmosphere.

I have played it, Loved it  but I still claim that the game is pure EVIL! 

[Lord_Valandil]

The RPG genre really made a huge leap forward with DA2.
We are in the "Press a button and see the awesomeness" era.

Also...I felt like the Warden was my character, not the same feeling I had with Hawke.
Just my opinion. I'm not going to bash it on anyone's head.

Modifié par Lord_Valandil, 09 avril 2011 - 03:57 .

[Joshua Hawkeye]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

wowpwnslol wrote...

JRPG's were never really RPG's in the first place. They are a travesty and an embarrassment to the genre. No matter how much Bioware destroys classic Western RPG gaming, they'll never come close to producing garbage like final fantasy series.

You, sir, are a foolish, ignorant, little man. To be so blind that you openly disregard and dismiss gaming history. Final Fantasy was the main franchise that popularized RPGs as a genre, as a franchise it has made countless innovations, and sold more copies than any other RPG franchise. Not to mention that Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest through Final Fantasy 10 are masterpieces, and while the latest FF titles have seen diminishing quality and success, that doesn't invalidate the entire franchise or SquareEnix's success.

To argue otherwise would prove your ignorance and validate my claim that you are just a troll looking for a fight.

Although I do not know the FF series by heart, I would contest that they have popularized RPGs as a genre. I suspect that games like Fallout, Baldur's Gate, and the Elder Scrolls series have done as much as a big part.

[DrGulag]

Although I do not know the FF series by heart, I would contest that they have popularized RPGs as a genre. I suspect that games like Fallout, Baldur's Gate, and the Elder Scrolls series have done as much as a big part.

Final Fantasy = First release was in the late 80's
Baldurs Gate = 1998

Bioware deserves credit for some of the best RPG's ever made (Baldurs Gate 2) but lets not pretend they popularized the genre.

Modifié par DrGulag, 09 avril 2011 - 04:08 .

[neppakyo]

Joshua Hawkeye wrote...
Although I do not know the FF series by heart, I would contest that they have popularized RPGs as a genre. I suspect that games like Fallout, Baldur's Gate, and the Elder Scrolls series have done as much as a big part.

On PC's yes, in general, NO.

FF brought rpg's into the mainstream

imho, FF5 with kefka is a superior game/story to DA2.

[barryl89]

DraCZeQQ wrote...

barryl89 wrote...

I'd love to know how many of you have played Demons Souls? Its a japanese made game but it is nothing like FF. Only on the PS3 mind and some of you elitits might instantly go all superior because of that.

Silent character. A few voiced NPCs.
The best combat ever. Amazing boss fights. Realistic world. Absorbing athmosphere.

I have played it, Loved it  but I still claim that the game is pure EVIL! 

Only reason I'm not playing is that my PS3 broke. Is that a related incident? The new game ++++ stuff wrecked my head, but I didn't break the console I swear.

IMO it is two times better than DA:O and five times better than DA2.

[AkiKishi]

neppakyo wrote...

Joshua Hawkeye wrote...
Although I do not know the FF series by heart, I would contest that they have popularized RPGs as a genre. I suspect that games like Fallout, Baldur's Gate, and the Elder Scrolls series have done as much as a big part.

On PC's yes, in general, NO.

FF brought rpg's into the mainstream

imho, FF5 with kefka is a superior game/story to DA2.

Keftka is VI.
V is X-Death.

Interplay/Bethesda probably on the PC.

[neppakyo]

Forgot the I XD

[AkiKishi]

DrGulag wrote...

On a side note, I really hope FF IV comes to PSN. It would definitely be one of the best games to buy before ME3.

Probably not. The earlier ones are doing very well on the handheld platforms.

barryl89 wrote...

I'd love to know how many of you have played Demons Souls? Its a japanese made game but it is nothing like FF. Only on the PS3 mind and some of you elitits might instantly go all superior because of that.

Silent character. A few voiced NPCs.
The best combat ever. Amazing boss fights. Realistic world. Absorbing athmosphere.

I got a normal version from Amazon a couple of days ago. Got the "black box" version when it was released but it's still sealed.
Same company are making something called "Cursed Crusade" don't know much about it, just saw the trailer on the PSM3 disc.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 09 avril 2011 - 04:18 .

[DraCZeQQ]

barryl89 wrote...

DraCZeQQ wrote...

barryl89 wrote...

I'd love to know how many of you have played Demons Souls? Its a japanese made game but it is nothing like FF. Only on the PS3 mind and some of you elitits might instantly go all superior because of that.

Silent character. A few voiced NPCs.
The best combat ever. Amazing boss fights. Realistic world. Absorbing athmosphere.

I have played it, Loved it  but I still claim that the game is pure EVIL! 

Only reason I'm not playing is that my PS3 broke. Is that a related incident? The new game ++++ stuff wrecked my head, but I didn't break the console I swear.

IMO it is two times better than DA:O and five times better than DA2.

Wondering what other RPG gives you the adrenalin of hyper mode in soul form (with 8 vitality) =)

[Liou]

DraCZeQQ wrote...

Liou wrote...

It has been said that religion causes hatred in this world but I have always argued against that and this proves my point. Just because that guy has an opinion, you hate at him and name call.

QFT.

It is foolish to blame religion for all the evil in the world. People never needed religion to hate, they can do that just fine without it. It can be because of politic, gender, sexuality, race and even sport. Generaly speaking, many people is just not very good at accepting others opinion.

there is actually a pretty nice corelation between % of atheist in country and "the hatred" ... I mean the more atheist lives in a country and the more ANY religion is diminishing the less is the country prone to war, hate and all that ugly stuff =)

That dosn't prove anything though. The most religious countries is often poor, suppresed and less educated and informed.

Likewise, it's often european countries like my own which has the highest percent of atheists and agnostics. People are more likely to become atheist in countries like Denmark, Norway and Sweden because people isn't all that religious anyway. Religion is, for most people, not much more than tradition. Is it any wonder people are more prone to become atheist in a countries like that?

Modifié par Liou, 09 avril 2011 - 04:42 .

[Cobrawar]

isn't that the pot calling the kettle black

[neppakyo]

Cobrawar wrote...

isn't that the pot calling the kettle black

Hey! No kitchen ware racism allowed!

[wowpwnslol]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

wowpwnslol wrote...

JRPG's were never really RPG's in the first place. They are a travesty and an embarrassment to the genre. No matter how much Bioware destroys classic Western RPG gaming, they'll never come close to producing garbage like final fantasy series.

You, sir, are a foolish, ignorant, little man. To be so blind that you openly disregard and dismiss gaming history. Final Fantasy was the main franchise that popularized RPGs as a genre, as a franchise it has made countless innovations, and sold more copies than any other RPG franchise. Not to mention that Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest through Final Fantasy 10 are masterpieces, and while the latest FF titles have seen diminishing quality and success, that doesn't invalidate the entire franchise or SquareEnix's success.

To argue otherwise would prove your ignorance and validate my claim that you are just a troll looking for a fight.

What innovations? Same old emo main character with huge sword? Dumb turn based combat? Same random encounters? Terrible inventory system time and time again? Surreal plots, which require at least 2 bottles of Jack Daniels to suffer through and still don't make sense? Face it, fanboy, FF series are "RPG's" by name only. There is a very good reason they stopped making them for PC after only 2 installments. PC gamers quickly caught on what a joke these games were and stopped buying them, confining Squaresoft to consoles where they originally belong. To call any FF game a "masterpiece" (or any JRPG for that matter) is an insult to every true RPG game, which traces its roots from DnD. Terrible games, terrible series and a sorry excuse for RPG.

Edit: I also find it funny you must bring up game sales to back up your "argument". So because some idiots bought the game en masse, it makes it good? I guess I'll eat at McDonald's every day then. And listen to nothing except Britney Spears. Because, hey, they are popular

Modifié par wowpwnslol, 09 avril 2011 - 07:33 .

[DrGulag]

You are out of your element wowpnslol.

There are many mediocre JRPG's but very good ones as well. I thoroughly enjoyed games like Eternal Sonata, Demons Souls and Valkyria Chronicles for example (PS3).

There are also gamers who enjoy open world RPG's and think that games like Origins are an insult to the genre. But you cant compare these products directly and then state that "this is one of them true RPGs whereas this is just a joke".

One can respect Japanese games for their surrealism and childlike make-believe worlds with cute creatures etc and at the same time enjoy games that base their entire story on European folklore (elves, lycanthropy and all that stuff).

Modifié par DrGulag, 09 avril 2011 - 07:47 .

[wojciec]

wowpwnslol wrote...

So because some idiots bought the game en masse, it makes it good? I guess I'll eat at McDonald's every day then. And listen to nothing except Britney Spears. Because, hey, they are popular

So I'm an idiot because I own one Final Fantasy game?

[randName]

wojciec wrote...

wowpwnslol wrote...

So because some idiots bought the game en masse, it makes it good? I guess I'll eat at McDonald's every day then. And listen to nothing except Britney Spears. Because, hey, they are popular

So I'm an idiot because I own one Final Fantasy game?

Obviously, and if you even own one copy if a Nintendo game like Mario or Zelda, oh boy ~ you don't want to know! 

[Liou]

To me, it really all comes down to the roleplaying itself. If you can't roleplay, it's not a roleplaying game. You can do that in both storydriven WRPGS like Dragon Age and open world RPGs like Fallout 3. But you can't do that in Square Enix games, you are merely an observer. That is why i don''t consider them roleplaying games. Ofcause that dosn't mean that they can't still be great games, i actually enjoyed the first Kingdom Hearts game very much, the word "roleplaying" is just misleading.

[wojciec]

randName wrote...

wojciec wrote...

wowpwnslol wrote...

So because some idiots bought the game en masse, it makes it good? I guess I'll eat at McDonald's every day then. And listen to nothing except Britney Spears. Because, hey, they are popular

So I'm an idiot because I own one Final Fantasy game?

Obviously, and if you even own one copy if a Nintendo game like Mario or Zelda, oh boy ~ you don't want to know! 

I do own those as well

[Deadmac]

This is a real rpg: http://white-wolf.com/
This is also a real rpg: http://www.wizards.com/DnD/

Personally, if you have never ever played a real-life table-top rpg, you have absolutely no idea what one actually looks like. Almost every pc and console game that carries the label is not an rpg.

"Diablo I, II, & III" - Not an rpg.
"Dragon Age: I & II" - Not an rpg.
"Oblivion"? - Not an rpg.
"Star Wars: The Old Republic I & II" - Not an rpg.
"Neverwinter Nights: I & II" - Not an rpg.
"Enter your pc/console game title here" - Not an rpg.

Not a single damn one of them.

When it comes to placing a 'j' or 'w' before the word rpg, I think people do it to rationalize a game's failure to be an actual rpg.

Modifié par Deadmac, 09 avril 2011 - 09:03 .

[Gyrannon]

xkg wrote...

Gyrannon wrote...

xkg wrote...

ashwind wrote...
You all do realize that Varric is actually Hawke right?

The truth is:
Bianca is not a crossbow but Varric/Hawke's (Var-awke) lover (That is why Var-awke is NOT carrying it while being interrogated) and Meredith is his lover too.

Meredith hated mages and wanted to kill them all because Var-awke tried to run away with Bianca. Meredit is MAD not mad and there is no lyrium idol - tis actually a gift from Var-awke.

The Chantry is actually where all the phylactery are being stored and Var-awke blew the Chantry up to cover his tracks - and he blame Anders for it. We all know Anders is not gay from Awakening - so he is lying!

Kirkwall is totally destroyed in the end and Var-awke is spreading tall tales about this "Champion" to Thades so that nobody will ever find out about the truth.
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Gyrannon wrote...
You do realize that you posted a SPOILER in a "NO SPOILERS ALOWED" section of the forums Right? Just checking, an thanks for ruining the story for me. You certainly have demonstrated your intellectual trait, I solute you!
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no he didnt - what he did here is pure fiction and have nothing to do with game so stop throwing .... blindly around

So Kirkwall doesnt get destroyed in the end? Hawk doesn't destroy the Chantry?
A mention of a character from DA2, an organization in DA, and a city in DA2 is not part of the game?
All that has nothing to do with DA2, riiight.....

w8 how can you know that ???
first you have said : "thanks for ruining the story for me"
but now it seems you have already finished game so how could he ruin your story ayway - you missed logic somwhere along the road

HELLO! Dragon Age has the "the chantry" in it! Every fan of da2 is posting pictures of "my hawke" (who is also seen in trailers) and Kirkwall is mentioned here on the DA2 game site (http://dragonage.bio...ments/kirkwall/). 
Seems like you made a "Pathetic Trap" cause I already knew about the character Hawke - I however do not know what happens in the end. The Chantry being an organization in DAO that believes "We must send our preyers to the four corners of the world for the Maker to forgive us" tells me they are all over the world. And the game site for DA2 isn't going to mention Kirkwall if it's not going to be in the game. OMFG! I knew about three things that has to do WITH Dragon Age in GENERAL, and your logic tells you that because I have knowledge of those 3 things in the game that I've already beaten the game??? I think YOU missed your logic somewhere along the road. 

[Edli]

Deadmac wrote...

This is a real rpg: http://white-wolf.com/
This is also a real rpg: http://www.wizards.com/DnD/

Personally, if you have never ever played a real-life table-top rpg, you have absolutely no idea what one actually looks like. Almost every pc and console game that carries the label is not an rpg.

"Diablo I, II, & III" - Not an rpg.
"Dragon Age: I & II" - Not an rpg.
"Oblivion"? - Not an rpg.
"Star Wars: The Old Republic I & II" - Not an rpg.
"Neverwinter Nights: I & II" - Not an rpg.
"Enter your pc/console game title here" - Not an rpg.

Not a single damn one of them.

When it comes to placing a 'j' or 'w' before the word rpg, I think people do it to rationalize a game's failure to be an actual rpg.

Now that's kinda silly don't you think? Of course a video game can never reach that level of roleplaying but sometimes it does a good job at imtitating it considering the limitations. Not all of us can play a real life table-top rpg and video games are the closest things we have.