Ramus Quaritch wrote...
They brought it on themselves when Orsino was implicit in mama Hawke's murder and Anders committed an act of terrorism. There's no way my Hawke is siding with the Kirkwall mages after that.
Ramus Quaritch wrote...
They brought it on themselves when Orsino was implicit in mama Hawke's murder and Anders committed an act of terrorism. There's no way my Hawke is siding with the Kirkwall mages after that.
barryl89 wrote...
Ramus Quaritch wrote...
They brought it on themselves when Orsino was implicit in mama Hawke's murder and Anders committed an act of terrorism. There's no way my Hawke is siding with the Kirkwall mages after that.
I know I'm coming across as pro-templar but I am inclined to support the mages ingame. Ironically the only time I went templar was as a mage PC, because I loved hating on Carver too much to allow him to die
Modifié par Ramus Quaritch, 11 avril 2011 - 04:47 .
Ramus Quaritch wrote...
I was role-playing/getting in my character's head when I made that choice. Could you side with an organization if its leader was in no small part responsible for your mother's death? I envisioned my Hawke as having an emotional reaction to that and being unable to support the mages as a result. Is it the "right" option in terms of helping people fight for their freedom? Probably not. But my Hawke, being so angered by the actions of the MANY blood mages in Kirkwall, doesn't care. Anders and Orsino's actions, while not representative of all mages in the Kirkwall Chantry, can nonetheless greatly shape a person's view. In my role-playing, my Hawke, who was supportive of mages in earlier quests, could not in good conscience support the mages after some of the things he witnessed, especially from an emotional standpoint.
Rifneno wrote...
barryl89 wrote...
Ramus Quaritch wrote...
They brought it on themselves when Orsino was implicit in mama Hawke's murder and Anders committed an act of terrorism. There's no way my Hawke is siding with the Kirkwall mages after that.
I know I'm coming across as pro-templar but I am inclined to support the mages ingame. Ironically the only time I went templar was as a mage PC, because I loved hating on Carver too much to allow him to die
He doesn't die no matter which side you pick. All roads lead to Rome as they say. Which sucks, I really wanted the chance to beat him down. Not kill him, but I'm hard pressed to think of a character in a video game that needs an ass-whoopin' more than Carver. Even when he shows up at the end of Act II, he takes the first chance to blame Hawke for Leandra's death. I still can't believe he gets away without Hawke pointing out that he's a templar and the serial killer was a maleficar. If it's anyone's fault, it's HIS! Gah! Maddening! Hate Carver!
Sarethus wrote...
Ramus Quaritch wrote...
I was role-playing/getting in my character's head when I made that choice. Could you side with an organization if its leader was in no small part responsible for your mother's death? I envisioned my Hawke as having an emotional reaction to that and being unable to support the mages as a result. Is it the "right" option in terms of helping people fight for their freedom? Probably not. But my Hawke, being so angered by the actions of the MANY blood mages in Kirkwall, doesn't care. Anders and Orsino's actions, while not representative of all mages in the Kirkwall Chantry, can nonetheless greatly shape a person's view. In my role-playing, my Hawke, who was supportive of mages in earlier quests, could not in good conscience support the mages after some of the things he witnessed, especially from an emotional standpoint.
How does your in-game Hawke know that Orsino was the one who aided Quentin? My Hake only found out about it during the end battle. Other wise you only have the letter "O" as a clue and I am sure there are other mages whoose name start with that both in side and outside the circle.
Modifié par Ramus Quaritch, 11 avril 2011 - 05:06 .
Sarethus wrote...
How does your in-game Hawke know that Orsino was the one who aided Quentin? My Hake only found out about it during the end battle. Other wise you only have the letter "O" as a clue and I am sure there are other mages whoose name start with that both in side and outside the circle.
Sarethus wrote...
Ramus Quaritch wrote...
I was role-playing/getting in my character's head when I made that choice. Could you side with an organization if its leader was in no small part responsible for your mother's death? I envisioned my Hawke as having an emotional reaction to that and being unable to support the mages as a result. Is it the "right" option in terms of helping people fight for their freedom? Probably not. But my Hawke, being so angered by the actions of the MANY blood mages in Kirkwall, doesn't care. Anders and Orsino's actions, while not representative of all mages in the Kirkwall Chantry, can nonetheless greatly shape a person's view. In my role-playing, my Hawke, who was supportive of mages in earlier quests, could not in good conscience support the mages after some of the things he witnessed, especially from an emotional standpoint.
How does your in-game Hawke know that Orsino was the one who aided Quentin? My Hake only found out about it during the end battle. Other wise you only have the letter "O" as a clue and I am sure there are other mages whoose name start with that both in side and outside the circle.
TobiTobsen wrote...
Sarethus wrote...
Ramus Quaritch wrote...
I was role-playing/getting in my character's head when I made that choice. Could you side with an organization if its leader was in no small part responsible for your mother's death? I envisioned my Hawke as having an emotional reaction to that and being unable to support the mages as a result. Is it the "right" option in terms of helping people fight for their freedom? Probably not. But my Hawke, being so angered by the actions of the MANY blood mages in Kirkwall, doesn't care. Anders and Orsino's actions, while not representative of all mages in the Kirkwall Chantry, can nonetheless greatly shape a person's view. In my role-playing, my Hawke, who was supportive of mages in earlier quests, could not in good conscience support the mages after some of the things he witnessed, especially from an emotional standpoint.
How does your in-game Hawke know that Orsino was the one who aided Quentin? My Hake only found out about it during the end battle. Other wise you only have the letter "O" as a clue and I am sure there are other mages whoose name start with that both in side and outside the circle.
And how many mages in Kirkwall have a name with "O" and have enough influence to support Quentin with books about blood magic and necromancy (which are probably locked away very safe in a circle like Kirkwall, if even the Ferelden circle had them under guard), while Meredith and her team of paranoiacs are breathing down their necks?
Orsino was my first thought/suspect in my first run as soon as I meet him at the end of act 2.
Sarethus wrote...
TobiTobsen wrote...
Sarethus wrote...
Ramus Quaritch wrote...
I was role-playing/getting in my character's head when I made that choice. Could you side with an organization if its leader was in no small part responsible for your mother's death? I envisioned my Hawke as having an emotional reaction to that and being unable to support the mages as a result. Is it the "right" option in terms of helping people fight for their freedom? Probably not. But my Hawke, being so angered by the actions of the MANY blood mages in Kirkwall, doesn't care. Anders and Orsino's actions, while not representative of all mages in the Kirkwall Chantry, can nonetheless greatly shape a person's view. In my role-playing, my Hawke, who was supportive of mages in earlier quests, could not in good conscience support the mages after some of the things he witnessed, especially from an emotional standpoint.
How does your in-game Hawke know that Orsino was the one who aided Quentin? My Hake only found out about it during the end battle. Other wise you only have the letter "O" as a clue and I am sure there are other mages whoose name start with that both in side and outside the circle.
And how many mages in Kirkwall have a name with "O" and have enough influence to support Quentin with books about blood magic and necromancy (which are probably locked away very safe in a circle like Kirkwall, if even the Ferelden circle had them under guard), while Meredith and her team of paranoiacs are breathing down their necks?
Orsino was my first thought/suspect in my first run as soon as I meet him at the end of act 2.
Apostates? Senior Enchanters? Mad/Sympathetic to Quentin's Loss Templars? That's not even discounting the possibility that "O" was a code / last / Nick name
Also Necromancy books were never locked away in Fereldan and the books on Blood Magic were only locked away after Gregoir complained about Jowan. So while Blood Magic books might be locked away, Necromancy books are doubtful.
TobiTobsen wrote...
Sarethus wrote...
TobiTobsen wrote...
Sarethus wrote...
Ramus Quaritch wrote...
I was role-playing/getting in my character's head when I made that choice. Could you side with an organization if its leader was in no small part responsible for your mother's death? I envisioned my Hawke as having an emotional reaction to that and being unable to support the mages as a result. Is it the "right" option in terms of helping people fight for their freedom? Probably not. But my Hawke, being so angered by the actions of the MANY blood mages in Kirkwall, doesn't care. Anders and Orsino's actions, while not representative of all mages in the Kirkwall Chantry, can nonetheless greatly shape a person's view. In my role-playing, my Hawke, who was supportive of mages in earlier quests, could not in good conscience support the mages after some of the things he witnessed, especially from an emotional standpoint.
How does your in-game Hawke know that Orsino was the one who aided Quentin? My Hake only found out about it during the end battle. Other wise you only have the letter "O" as a clue and I am sure there are other mages whoose name start with that both in side and outside the circle.
And how many mages in Kirkwall have a name with "O" and have enough influence to support Quentin with books about blood magic and necromancy (which are probably locked away very safe in a circle like Kirkwall, if even the Ferelden circle had them under guard), while Meredith and her team of paranoiacs are breathing down their necks?
Orsino was my first thought/suspect in my first run as soon as I meet him at the end of act 2.
Apostates? Senior Enchanters? Mad/Sympathetic to Quentin's Loss Templars? That's not even discounting the possibility that "O" was a code / last / Nick name
Also Necromancy books were never locked away in Fereldan and the books on Blood Magic were only locked away after Gregoir complained about Jowan. So while Blood Magic books might be locked away, Necromancy books are doubtful.
But we are not in Ferelden. We are in Kirkwall, in a circle where even the First Enchanter, who seems to be the only one with any rights, can be put under house arrest or at least restricted to the Gallows by Meredith and her templars.
I doubt they would let books about blood magic stay in the library in such a circle. And it seems to me as if necromancy is blood magic too since DA2. Probably always was. Corpses standing up again was always the work of demons and therfore blood magic, besides "animate dead" that seemed like you commanded a puppet and not a "living" skeleton. And even that spell seems to be blood magic now (retcon?), just look at Decimus. He is explicitly stated to be a blood mage and then raises the dead. Either he infused them all at once with demons or he used "animate dead", thus making it blood magic.
But that's just my take at the things. Like I said, without being spoilered, I always suspected Orsino to be the "O" in Quentins letter and that's how I roleplayed my Hawke.
CyberNinjaSensei wrote...
My PoV is thus: When choosing the lesser of two evils, you're still choosing evil. Both sides are complete drama queens. I have played through twice (first siding with mages, second templars) just like the OP.
I would be more on the mages side were it not for the fact that Orsino supplied Quentin with the books and knowledge necessary to perform the f***ed up necromancy. Since that plot line is solid and unchanging, it's okay to have a rooted, stubborn opinion.
It would be easier to say for sure one side is right and one is wrong were it not for the complete extremist that Meredith is and the ambiguous extremism that Orsino shows. A sadistic part of me kinda wishes there was a "Kill 'em all" choice when and if a gamer chose templars once and mages once, but that's quite a stretch.
As someone previously stated, the Templars, seemingly, have an "AHHH! It's a mage! Kill it kill it!" approach and the mages act the totally innocent role. Yet, in the scenes that show mages turning to blood magic, there's no showing of the mages using magic prior to being backed into a corner. One would believe that if there's, say, 5 Templars, attempting to kill and/or corner a mage, that mage would be able to take out AT LEAST one of those Templars. Alas, it only shows the mage defending his or herself with blood magic.
Unfortunately, all the Templars like Cullen are overshadowed, and outranked, by the likes of Meredith. And Anders' decision is on par with, if not worse than, any action Meredith had taken previously. As bad as Meredith is, I've decided to take the Templars side from here on out.
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