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[Augustei]

If you spared him in DAO and made Alistair King alongside Anora. Does Alistair still show up? When you kill Loghain and make Alistair king he says something like "He got what was coming to him" or something like that when talking to Aveline. But does anyone know what he says if Loghain was spared?

[thesuperdarkone]

If Loghain lives, he'll say "Unfortunately Loghain still lives" So he's still pissed on that

[Nimpe]

Alistair seriously needs to grow up and get over it.

[The Angry One]

Yeah get over the guy who killed his mentor and father figure, smeared his name, killed his brother and doomed the country.
How dare he resent Loghain being alive and well and a hero in the same order he's in.

[errant_knight]

Nimpe wrote...

Alistair seriously needs to grow up and get over it.

Yeah, because abandoning the king, the wardens and an entire army--everyone he cared about--to be slaughtered, poisioning Eamon, selling the elves into slavery, letting the horde spread through Ferelden unhindered, and trying to kill the last surviving wardens to hush it up, that's nothing. If it happened to you or I, we'd be a 'whatevs', right?

[LobselVith8]

The Angry One wrote...

Yeah get over the guy who killed his mentor and father figure, smeared his name, killed his brother and doomed the country.
How dare he resent Loghain being alive and well and a hero in the same order he's in.

He seems to have finally forgiven the Hero of Ferelden, though.

[errant_knight]

LobselVith8 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Yeah get over the guy who killed his mentor and father figure, smeared his name, killed his brother and doomed the country.
How dare he resent Loghain being alive and well and a hero in the same order he's in.

He seems to have finally forgiven the Hero of Ferelden, though.

I can't help but think that's at least partly in the name of reusing dialogue. But I suppose that if he has to work with the warden, he'd have to find a way to stomach it, to an extent.

[expanding panic]

errant_knight wrote...

Nimpe wrote...

Alistair seriously needs to grow up and get over it.

Yeah, because abandoning the king, the wardens and an entire army--everyone he cared about--to be slaughtered, poisioning Eamon, selling the elves into slavery, letting the horde spread through Ferelden unhindered, and trying to kill the last surviving wardens to hush it up, that's nothing. If it happened to you or I, we'd be a 'whatevs', right?

Well when you put it like that of course Loghan will sound bad, but you have to remember all of the good things he's done for you instead of the... Wait a minute he didn't do anything good for you on his own accord. Only when he was forced. So sorry your right.

[The Angry One]

LobselVith8 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Yeah get over the guy who killed his mentor and father figure, smeared his name, killed his brother and doomed the country.
How dare he resent Loghain being alive and well and a hero in the same order he's in.

He seems to have finally forgiven the Hero of Ferelden, though.

There are outcomes in DA:O where he forgives you then and there, or at least understands you. Especially if hardened.
That doesn't mean he has to like the fact that the man he considers a criminal is walking around free. Hell, the GW death sentence isn't even a big deal for him. 30 more years at his age?

[errant_knight]

The Angry One wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Yeah get over the guy who killed his mentor and father figure, smeared his name, killed his brother and doomed the country.
How dare he resent Loghain being alive and well and a hero in the same order he's in.

He seems to have finally forgiven the Hero of Ferelden, though.

There are outcomes in DA:O where he forgives you then and there, or at least understands you. Especially if hardened.
That doesn't mean he has to like the fact that the man he considers a criminal is walking around free. Hell, the GW death sentence isn't even a big deal for him. 30 more years at his age?

Forgive is an overstatement. He accepts it and doesn't want to fight about it, but he's not warm, by any means.

[KnightofPhoenix]

The Angry One wrote...
 Hell, the GW death sentence isn't even a big deal for him. 30 more years at his age?

No, I think old people expire much quicker. Duncan was nearing his calling and he's as old if no younger than Loghain?  I do not believe that the taint adds 30 years regardless of age.

I doubt Loghain has much to live. A few years at best. 

[errant_knight]

expanding panic wrote...

errant_knight wrote...

Nimpe wrote...

Alistair seriously needs to grow up and get over it.

Yeah, because abandoning the king, the wardens and an entire army--everyone he cared about--to be slaughtered, poisioning Eamon, selling the elves into slavery, letting the horde spread through Ferelden unhindered, and trying to kill the last surviving wardens to hush it up, that's nothing. If it happened to you or I, we'd be a 'whatevs', right?

Well when you put it like that of course Loghan will sound bad, but you have to remember all of the good things he's done for you instead of the... Wait a minute he didn't do anything good for you on his own accord. Only when he was forced. So sorry your right.

Lol!

[The Angry One]

errant_knight wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Yeah get over the guy who killed his mentor and father figure, smeared his name, killed his brother and doomed the country.
How dare he resent Loghain being alive and well and a hero in the same order he's in.

He seems to have finally forgiven the Hero of Ferelden, though.

There are outcomes in DA:O where he forgives you then and there, or at least understands you. Especially if hardened.
That doesn't mean he has to like the fact that the man he considers a criminal is walking around free. Hell, the GW death sentence isn't even a big deal for him. 30 more years at his age?

Forgive is an overstatement. He accepts it and doesn't want to fight about it, but he's not warm, by any means.

Well he forgives, he doesn't forget. Obviously it'd take time for him to warm up to the Warden after that.

[KnightofPhoenix]

errant_knight wrote...

Nimpe wrote...

Alistair seriously needs to grow up and get over it.

Yeah, because abandoning the king, the wardens and an entire army--everyone he cared about--to be slaughtered, poisioning Eamon, selling the elves into slavery, letting the horde spread through Ferelden unhindered, and trying to kill the last surviving wardens to hush it up, that's nothing. If it happened to you or I, we'd be a 'whatevs', right?

I'd look at it objectively and not take it personally. But of course, he is not rational enough to pull it off to begin with.  

[The Angry One]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
 Hell, the GW death sentence isn't even a big deal for him. 30 more years at his age?

No, I think old people expire much quicker. Duncan was nearing his calling and he's as old if no younger than Loghain?  I do not believe that the taint adds 30 years regardless of age.

I doubt Loghain has much to live. A few years at best. 

Yes but did Duncan take the joining when he was much younger? I don't think it's clear if age affects it or not.

[KnightofPhoenix]

The Angry One wrote...
Yes but did Duncan take the joining when he was much younger? I don't think it's clear if age affects it or not.

I doubt those who take the calling at 50 are going to die at 80.
It may not be age perse, but the ability of the body to maintain resistance to the taint.

[Maria13]

XxDeonxX wrote...

If you spared him in DAO and made Alistair King alongside Anora. Does Alistair still show up? When you kill Loghain and make Alistair king he says something like "He got what was coming to him" or something like that when talking to Aveline. But does anyone know what he says if Loghain was spared?

No actually what he says is, "The man responsible paid for that." which is a throughly mature approach.

[hoorayforicecream]

It only comes up if you bring Aveline to the meeting. If Loghain was spared, this exchange happens:

Aveline: I fought at Ostagar. What happened there was... a great tragedy.
Alistair: Ah. Yes, it was. Sadly, Loghain still lives.

If Loghain was killed, it is this:

Aveline: I fought at Ostagar. What happened there was... a great tragedy.
Alistair: Ah. Yes. Yes, it was. Thankfully the man responsible has paid for that.

[The Angry One]

Does he say anything different if Loghain becomes a GW then dies killing the Archdemon?

[Nadiasama]

The Angry One wrote...

Yes but did Duncan take the joining when he was much younger? I don't think it's clear if age affects it or not.

In "The Calling" Duncan is described by Maric as being 18-19 years old.  According
to the book Duncan underwent the joining 6 months prior.  DA:O starts
20 years later so Duncan is actually going through his calling 10 sooner
than expected.

[hoorayforicecream]

The Angry One wrote...

Does he say anything different if Loghain becomes a GW then dies killing the Archdemon?

Not if he's king. If he's a drunk, there's a difference in the line:
Alistair: It should have been me. Not Loghain!

If Loghain is alive and Alistair is drunk:
Alistair: I can't believe Loghain's still alive. He should have hanged!

Alistair doesn't mention Loghain in the warden appearance.

[Gilsa]

Loghain does not get the full 30 years of being a warden. I recall one of the epilogues saying the taint wore too hard on his body and he died after several years. I'm a little surprised Alistair refers to him as being alive by the time Act 3 rolls around, but why quibble? =p

[Mnemnosyne]

errant_knight wrote...

Nimpe wrote...

Alistair seriously needs to grow up and get over it.

Yeah, because abandoning the king, the wardens and an entire army--everyone he cared about--to be slaughtered,

That part, at least, is exactly the same thing Alistair does if you let Loghain live and don't make him king.

I can understand hating Loghain personally, but it's been years, he needs to get over it - sparing Loghain was the right thing to do.

[Torax]

What I find most fitting is in Awakenings if Loghain is still alive. The First Warden sends him to Orlais to recruit for the Grey Wardens. LOL

[White_Buffalo94]

Torax wrote...

What I find most fitting is in Awakenings if Loghain is still alive. The First Warden sends him to Orlais to recruit for the Grey Wardens. LOL

I love that irony xD