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[LordJeyl]

Dr. Kenson may have found proof that the Reapers will be invading the galaxy, but I found proof that Bioware is going to turn Shepard into an inconsiderate a**hole in Mass Effect 3 regardless of whether he/she will be a Paragon or Renegade.
Dr. Kenson: We found proof that the Reapers will be arriving in this system. When they get here, they'll use it's mass relay to travel throughout the galaxy. We call it the "Alpha Relay". From here, the Reapers can invade anywhere in the galaxy.
So we've established that the relay will be used by the Reapers to invade ANYWHERE in the galaxy and that the Reapers are the bad guys who want to destroy all life in the galaxy. That should be a huge deciding factor for Shepard in wanting to help out, right?....
Dr. Kenson: In just over forty-eight hours, the pulse will become constant, and the Reapers will be here.Shepard: You're saying the Reapers could be at EARTH in two days?
Shepard, what part of "anywhere in the galaxy" does it say "WE'RE INVADING EARTH!"? Sure, the Reapers will no doubt get to Earth, but aren't we forgetting a something else?
- Asari- Drell- Elcor- Hanar- Keepers- Salarians- Turians- Volus- Batarians- Geth- Krogen- Quarians- Vorcha- Rachni (depending on your ME1 playthrough)
So I guess Shepard doesn't care much about any of the other races as long as Earth is saved. Earth, a planet that so far has yet to have any significance in the Mass Effect universe outside of being the planet of origins for the human race. I just don't understand why Shepard is so "We must save Earth!" when there are so many other things at stake besides his own specie's home world. And what's the worst that can happen if Earth is wiped out? It's not like every single human being in the galaxy lives there. What about the human colony on Bekenstein? Or the humans living on the Citadel? Cripes, we even have human families living on Omega! 

This is going to bug me right up until the release of ME3. When Bioware uses "epic conclusion" to it's galaxy spanding series, the last thing I would even remotely think about is the story driven cliché of Earth being invaded by aliens and we must save it. It's not epic at all. It's just unoriginal, uninspired and for a universe like Mass Effect, unimportant.

[Almostfaceman]

LordJeyl wrote...

Dr. Kenson may have found proof that the Reapers will be invading the galaxy, but I found proof that Bioware is going to turn Shepard into an inconsiderate a**hole in Mass Effect 3 regardless of whether he/she will be a Paragon or Renegade.
Dr. Kenson: We found proof that the Reapers will be arriving in this system. When they get here, they'll use it's mass relay to travel throughout the galaxy. We call it the "Alpha Relay". From here, the Reapers can invade anywhere in the galaxy.
So we've established that the relay will be used by the Reapers to invade ANYWHERE in the galaxy and that the Reapers are the bad guys who want to destroy all life in the galaxy. That should be a huge deciding factor for Shepard in wanting to help out, right?....
Dr. Kenson: In just over forty-eight hours, the pulse will become constant, and the Reapers will be here.Shepard: You're saying the Reapers could be at EARTH in two days?
Shepard, what part of "anywhere in the galaxy" does it say "WE'RE INVADING EARTH!"? Sure, the Reapers will no doubt get to Earth, but aren't we forgetting a something else?
- Asari- Drell- Elcor- Hanar- Keepers- Salarians- Turians- Volus- Batarians- Geth- Krogen- Quarians- Vorcha- Rachni (depending on your ME1 playthrough)
So I guess Shepard doesn't care much about any of the other races as long as Earth is saved. Earth, a planet that so far has yet to have any significance in the Mass Effect universe outside of being the planet of origins for the human race. I just don't understand why Shepard is so "We must save Earth!" when there are so many other things at stake besides his own specie's home world. And what's the worst that can happen if Earth is wiped out? It's not like every single human being in the galaxy lives there. What about the human colony on Bekenstein? Or the humans living on the Citadel? Cripes, we even have human families living on Omega! 

This is going to bug me right up until the release of ME3. When Bioware uses "epic conclusion" to it's galaxy spanding series, the last thing I would even remotely think about is the story driven cliché of Earth being invaded by aliens and we must save it. It's not epic at all. It's just unoriginal, uninspired and for a universe like Mass Effect, unimportant.

Of course it's going to bug you, you're obviously nit-picky.

Jeebus if I find out the monster alien race is invading the galaxy the first thing I'm going to think of is my homeworld.  I swear to the lord of all macaroni and cheese if this game bothers you so much why are you not playing another game?

[candidate88766]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Of course it's going to bug you, you're obviously nit-picky.

Jeebus if I find out the monster alien race is invading the galaxy the first thing I'm going to think of is my homeworld.  I swear to the lord of all macaroni and cheese if this game bothers you so much why are you not playing another game?

Agreed - you'd think people would wait until they actually know the entire plot before complaining about the plot and nit-picking it.

[LordJeyl]

candidate88766 wrote... Agreed - you'd think people would wait until they actually know the entire plot before complaining about the plot and nit-picking it.

But the Arrival has been out for more than a week, and what I typed is what is said in-game. That's not Mass Effect 3, that's the DLC "The Arrival" for Mass Effect 2. 

[Justforvisit]

Well, the Earth is in the centre of this trilogy because the story of Mass Effect always has and will evolve around Shepard as someone here in the forum once said, so to finally see our future home world is something quite appropriate I think.

And about other races in the galaxy: Who said that they didn't had THEIR Spectres investigating throughout space and also did their cover up research and preperations for the Reaper Thread?

You know, Shepard may have been the very first human Spectre, but NOT the very first Spectre at all, and also not all Spectres are like Saren.

I also can't remember any file, datapad or else that would have said "All other Spectres have been anihilated" so I'd say, the other races Spectres will also play a major role in ME3, but that's just my guess

[The_Illusive]

^Are you implying that Spectres are guardian angels?

Modifié par The_Illusive, 09 avril 2011 - 02:28 .

[Justforvisit]

The_Illusive wrote...

^Are you implying that Spectres are guardian angels?

Regarding to what Shepard did for earth so far in ME1 and ME2, that Spectres work undercover and the Mass Effect Story in general evolves around Shepard, so other Spectres may have achieved similiar things to save the galaxy from danger just not beeing highlighted, maybe one could think of them as thoose.

So, for the final, why not just step into the Spotlight as well?

[LordJeyl]

Almostfaceman wrote... Jeebus if I find out the monster alien race is invading the galaxy the first thing I'm going to think of is my homeworld.  I swear to the lord of all macaroni and cheese if this game bothers you so much why are you not playing another game?

Actually Earth is Shepards home only if he/she was Earth Born, and that's only one of three origin options. I don't play Earth Born because I like my Shepard to be more 'broader' than the typical hero.

And what gave you the impression that the game bothers me? I love these games to death! I just don't like the idea that it's all boiling down to another "Earth is the center of the universe" storyline when both ME1 and ME2 were very broad in it's scope of involving a lot more races and planets than just focusing on humans and Earth. This doesn't seem to be the case with ME3 with it's official material we've seen so far.

Mass Effect 3 Trailer: "If Shepard doesn't bring help soon, there won't be an Earth left to save...” 

Mass Effect 3 Synopsis: "Earth is burning. Striking from beyond known space, a race of terrifying machines have begun their destruction of the human race. As Commander Shepard, an Alliance Marine, your only hope for saving mankind is to rally the civilizations of the galaxy and launch one final mission to take back the Earth.

That doesn't sound quite as epic when compared to the other Mass Effect stories that involved everyone and not just the human race. Sure, you can say that Bioware chose Earth as the setting for the third game because that's what we are all familiar with and have much more attachment to. But for me, that's choosing the easy way out, especially when one of the strong points of the series was in dealing with entities that are both unknown and unfamiliar to both Shepard and myself. 

Who knows. Maybe there will be something in ME3 that will take me completely by surprise. But i'm not that optimistic due to the recent lackluster experience of Dragon Age 2 (aka Dragon Age: All Setup, No Payoff). Bioware isn't what it used to be and I'm worried that ME3 will just be a lackluster cash in that relies on tried and true cliché formulas that their previous games didn't need in order to be great.

[The_Illusive]

Justforvisit wrote...

The_Illusive wrote...

^Are you implying that Spectres are guardian angels?

Regarding to what Shepard did for earth so far in ME1 and ME2, that Spectres work undercover and the Mass Effect Story in general evolves around Shepard, so other Spectres may have achieved similiar things to save the galaxy from danger just not beeing highlighted, maybe one could think of them as thoose.

So, for the final, why not just step into the Spotlight as well?

Yes, but regarding Spectres, did you play LotSB? Other Spectres aren't as nice and heroic as Shepard. If all of them would come together, it would end in a bloodbath...

Modifié par The_Illusive, 09 avril 2011 - 02:50 .

[JamieCOTC]

LordJeyl wrote...

candidate88766 wrote... Agreed - you'd think people would wait until they actually know the entire plot before complaining about the plot and nit-picking it.

But the Arrival has been out for more than a week, and what I typed is what is said in-game. That's not Mass Effect 3, that's the DLC "The Arrival" for Mass Effect 2. 

And Arrival sucked.  Gameply wise, it was fun.  I liked it, anyway, but storywise it was a rushed, sloppy mess.  Arrival was just a plot device to get Shepard back to earth so the Reapers can attack while s/he is there on earth. It serves as the catalyst for the big flashy intro to ME3.  I wish it was more than that, but unfortunately, it was not. 

[Justforvisit]

Yes I did play it, and on the opposite: Who said ALL Spectres are like Saren and the one from LotSB?

I don't think that all races of the Galaxy would only have 3 Spectres at all ^___^

Of course not all are like Shepard, but still, I have the general impression others might play a major role

[Almostfaceman]

LordJeyl wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote... Jeebus if I find out the monster alien race is invading the galaxy the first thing I'm going to think of is my homeworld.  I swear to the lord of all macaroni and cheese if this game bothers you so much why are you not playing another game?

Actually Earth is Shepards home only if he/she was Earth Born, and that's only one of three origin options. 

Earth is humanity's homeworld.  

Shepard is human.
Hence the phrase "first thing I'm going to think of is my homeworld." 

[Almostfaceman]

LordJeyl wrote...

And what gave you the impression that the game bothers me? 

That you are nit-picking it, as I mentioned previously. 

[The_Illusive]

I doubt they'll be friendly, but we'll see

[Almostfaceman]

LordJeyl wrote...

That doesn't sound quite as epic when compared to the other Mass Effect stories that involved everyone and not just the human race. 

It's been obvious for a while now that Earth figures somewhat in ME3.  Why do you continue to saw at something about the story you don't like?  If it bothers you, at some point find closure.  Why the endless energy focused at complaint? 

Modifié par Almostfaceman, 09 avril 2011 - 03:02 .

[CroGamer002]

Nitpicker.

[mx3ze]

Stop pooping on everything Bioware does for Mass Effect, Shut the f*ck up and play the *awsum* game. If you don't like it, return to your world of warcraft... thanks

[HK-90210]

Where else would they set a game like this? Just having a big space battle is out, since that would involve zero gameplay. If the Reapers were invading the Citadel again, it would be like Return of the Jedi with the second Death Star. Deja vu, unoriginal. Same with a hidden Reaper base somehwere in(or out)side the galaxy, since ME2 did that with the Collector Base.

And the other planets in the galaxy? Well, they're probably under attack too, but the Reapers are focused on humanity, so it makes snse that they would focus primarily on Earth. I mean, from their POV, a human managed to beat them. They want to get rid of the biggest threat as quickly as possible.

But the bottom line is that even if the Reapers set another species' homeworld as their primary target, it would not have the emotional signifigance of Earth. As humans, Earth is closer to our hearts than Palavern, or Thessia, or any other homeworld in the galaxy. Focusing on any of those more than Earth would make the game less emotionally engaging. And that is what Bioware sells their games on, and its what makes them so good.

PS: Guys, stop bashing. This was a ligitimate complaint by a person that loves Mass Effect. If you can't counter his argument without name-calling, don't post.

[Justforvisit]

"As humans, Earth is closer to our hearts than Palavern, or Thessia, or any other homeworld in the galaxy"

Hm, but I have to admit, I'd LOOOVE to finally see Palaven ^^

[Last Vizard]

LordJeyl wrote...

Dr. Kenson may have found proof that the Reapers will be invading the galaxy, but I found proof that Bioware is going to turn Shepard into an inconsiderate a**hole in Mass Effect 3 regardless of whether he/she will be a Paragon or Renegade.
Dr. Kenson: We found proof that the Reapers will be arriving in this system. When they get here, they'll use it's mass relay to travel throughout the galaxy. We call it the "Alpha Relay". From here, the Reapers can invade anywhere in the galaxy.
So we've established that the relay will be used by the Reapers to invade ANYWHERE in the galaxy and that the Reapers are the bad guys who want to destroy all life in the galaxy. That should be a huge deciding factor for Shepard in wanting to help out, right?....
Dr. Kenson: In just over forty-eight hours, the pulse will become constant, and the Reapers will be here.Shepard: You're saying the Reapers could be at EARTH in two days?
Shepard, what part of "anywhere in the galaxy" does it say "WE'RE INVADING EARTH!"? Sure, the Reapers will no doubt get to Earth, but aren't we forgetting a something else?
- Asari- Drell- Elcor- Hanar- Keepers- Salarians- Turians- Volus- Batarians- Geth- Krogen- Quarians- Vorcha- Rachni (depending on your ME1 playthrough)
So I guess Shepard doesn't care much about any of the other races as long as Earth is saved. Earth, a planet that so far has yet to have any significance in the Mass Effect universe outside of being the planet of origins for the human race. I just don't understand why Shepard is so "We must save Earth!" when there are so many other things at stake besides his own specie's home world. And what's the worst that can happen if Earth is wiped out? It's not like every single human being in the galaxy lives there. What about the human colony on Bekenstein? Or the humans living on the Citadel? Cripes, we even have human families living on Omega! 

This is going to bug me right up until the release of ME3. When Bioware uses "epic conclusion" to it's galaxy spanding series, the last thing I would even remotely think about is the story driven cliché of Earth being invaded by aliens and we must save it. It's not epic at all. It's just unoriginal, uninspired and for a universe like Mass Effect, unimportant.

People like you make me face palm.... without EARTH we are F'd in the A as a race, the other races can afford to lose some worlds but for us its game over and hello Batarian slavers that the council does so little about.

thanks for blowing up the Collector base, hope Thanax cannon is enough plus retcon story twist.

[Sable Phoenix]

JamieCOTC wrote...

LordJeyl wrote...

candidate88766 wrote... Agreed - you'd think people would wait until they actually know the entire plot before complaining about the plot and nit-picking it.

But the Arrival has been out for more than a week, and what I typed is what is said in-game. That's not Mass Effect 3, that's the DLC "The Arrival" for Mass Effect 2. 

And Arrival sucked.  Gameply wise, it was fun.  I liked it, anyway, but storywise it was a rushed, sloppy mess.  Arrival was just a plot device to get Shepard back to earth so the Reapers can attack while s/he is there on earth. It serves as the catalyst for the big flashy intro to ME3.  I wish it was more than that, but unfortunately, it was not. 

This.  I dunno, but between the abysmal (and rushed) mess that was Dragon Age 2 and the "rushed, sloppy mess" that was Arrival, my feelings towards the upcoming Mass Effect 3 are... cautious at best.  BioWare has been way off their game ever since the lamentable Darkspawn Chronicles (to say nothing of Witch Hunt).  Let's not even get into Mass Effect 2 itself, which treated Mass Effect 1 as if it didn't exist and had a ridiculously threadbare and nonsensical excuse for a plot.  I keep trying to take comfort in Lair of the Shadow Broker and convince myself they still have what it takes to put together a good, personally relevant narrative with deep characters and interesting gameplay, but... that remains to be seen.

[Thompson family]

Re: OP

This game has inspired more rickety logical constructions and varied interpretations of simple things than the Holy Bible.

[Tony Gunslinger]

LordJeyl wrote...

Dr. Kenson may have found proof that the Reapers will be invading the galaxy, but I found proof that Bioware is going to turn Shepard into an inconsiderate a**hole in Mass Effect 3 regardless of whether he/she will be a Paragon or Renegade.
Dr. Kenson: We found proof that the Reapers will be arriving in this system. When they get here, they'll use it's mass relay to travel throughout the galaxy. We call it the "Alpha Relay". From here, the Reapers can invade anywhere in the galaxy.
So we've established that the relay will be used by the Reapers to invade ANYWHERE in the galaxy and that the Reapers are the bad guys who want to destroy all life in the galaxy. That should be a huge deciding factor for Shepard in wanting to help out, right?....
Dr. Kenson: In just over forty-eight hours, the pulse will become constant, and the Reapers will be here.Shepard: You're saying the Reapers could be at EARTH in two days?
Shepard, what part of "anywhere in the galaxy" does it say "WE'RE INVADING EARTH!"? Sure, the Reapers will no doubt get to Earth, but aren't we forgetting a something else?
- Asari- Drell- Elcor- Hanar- Keepers- Salarians- Turians- Volus- Batarians- Geth- Krogen- Quarians- Vorcha- Rachni (depending on your ME1 playthrough)
So I guess Shepard doesn't care much about any of the other races as long as Earth is saved. Earth, a planet that so far has yet to have any significance in the Mass Effect universe outside of being the planet of origins for the human race. I just don't understand why Shepard is so "We must save Earth!" when there are so many other things at stake besides his own specie's home world. And what's the worst that can happen if Earth is wiped out? It's not like every single human being in the galaxy lives there. What about the human colony on Bekenstein? Or the humans living on the Citadel? Cripes, we even have human families living on Omega! 

This is going to bug me right up until the release of ME3. When Bioware uses "epic conclusion" to it's galaxy spanding series, the last thing I would even remotely think about is the story driven cliché of Earth being invaded by aliens and we must save it. It's not epic at all. It's just unoriginal, uninspired and for a universe like Mass Effect, unimportant.

The Alpha Relay isn't a special relay that can directly access other relays. Like everyone else, the Reapers must go through multiple relays to get to the destinations they want to go. Kenson called it the "Alpha" relay because it's the oldest relay, and probably the first relay the Reapers would use if they were to arrive in our galaxy via conventional FTL. When she said that the Reapers "can access anywhere in the galaxy" via the Alpha Relay, she meant that once the Reapers gain access to ANY mass relay, the Reapers can go anywhere in the galaxy.

And if you'v actually played the DLC and payed attention instead of looking for excuses to support your internal rage habits, you would see that the Alpha Relay directly connects to Earth's mass relay. It's shown on the galaxy map, with a red line connecting the Viper Nebula to the Local Cluster. And if you've read Aratoht's planet description (click 'enter orbit', there is a dark orange window with scroll bars and orange-color text to the right of the planet) it will tell you that Earth is concerned about how close the Batarians are to their space.

Better luck trolling on other issues instead, like thermal clips or something.

[ROD525]

My Shepard is Earthborn so as far as Im concerned my homeworld comes first.