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[Elhanan]

AreleX wrote...

i'm also not sure what the argument in this thread is about.

this sums up how i see it. it has nothing to do with being a sheep, it has everything to do with what's good vs what isn't. unlike the rest of the boards in the da2 section, HERE, 'good' and 'bad' aren't opinions to bicker for pages and pages over, but rather are things that can be proven, and arguments only spring up when someone is needlessly stubborn or completely misses the point.

which has been happening an awful lot lately...

Freedom of choice perhaps? Being able to take recommendations and use them ot not. Being able to RP heirlooms as prized items if one wishes, calculate the stats and go that direction, wanting to complete a set or look, etc.

I do not mind the advice, but rather dislike the haughty tone of disdain from choosing not to follow it. From anyone.

[AreleX]

you fall into the 'completely misses the point' category.

nobody is saying you can't play the game the way you want, at all. not once, in the entirety of this game's lifespan, has anyone in the gameplay/classes forums said you can't play the game how you like, so people need to stop bringing that up as some kind of defense.

there can be (and in this case, is) a difference in between what you like and what is actually good, and the people who point this out aren't trying to force anything onto you, but are merely providing you, and all others who read the thread, with FACTS. what you do with the information is up to you, as you are, but you can be assured that the information is CORRECT. the information earlier in this thread was not.

i assume the 'haughty tone of disdain' stems from you making a thread for people to tell you what's good, and then basically saying 'well i'ma do what i want anyways lol'. until you explained it just now, it sounded quite ridiculous.

[Elhanan]

AreleX wrote...

you fall into the 'completely misses the point' category.

nobody is saying you can't play the game the way you want, at all. not once, in the entirety of this game's lifespan, has anyone in the gameplay/classes forums said you can't play the game how you like, so people need to stop bringing that up as some kind of defense.

there can be (and in this case, is) a difference in between what you like and what is actually good, and the people who point this out aren't trying to force anything onto you, but are merely providing you, and all others who read the thread, with FACTS. what you do with the information is up to you, as you are, but you can be assured that the information is CORRECT. the information earlier in this thread was not.

i assume the 'haughty tone of disdain' stems from you making a thread for people to tell you what's good, and then basically saying 'well i'ma do what i want anyways lol'. until you explained it just now, it sounded quite ridiculous.

And some simply cannot comprehend what is written, as I have thanked others for their recommendations; all of them.
 
Recommendations do not have to be the best; may simply what some have used and worked for them in play. Occasionally these other choices offer something that 'the best' choices do not offer, like Mana Regeneration, Attribute bonuses, maybe even a preferred visual, etc.

These past recommendations were helpful to me at that time, and were given with courtesy; no touting of orchestra music in the background. These latest recommendations have also been helpful, but when other choices were made, words like 'terrible', 'stubborn' , etc accompanied them. Not so charitable, and seasoned with ridicule.

These facts may be correct, but does not invalidate the past or other ones as they may have been chosen with other criteria.

And I suspect that some of this recent accompanied critique may have been posted in error, as it went from crit of Ring of the Ferryman (Act 3) to Fallen Star (Act 1) rather suddenly. While I have and am using the Fallen Star (the one I defended), cannot say that I will use the Ferryman ring this run, as I try to fill the Immunity slots available and other gear may supply that need.

Toodles!

Modifié par Elhanan, 22 août 2011 - 01:42 .

[Mocker22]

Theend, I do see your point that crit gear effects you at all times rather then only certain points. I do apreciate the advice, I'm just not sure about completely writting off some of the really high elemental dmg items. How do you feel about Robes of Cleanliness?

Would it be better to just get for example, Etched Ring, Puzzle Ring, and Lucky Eddie's Amulet, and skip robes or ferryman. Any other crit gear you highly recomend for a mage?

[thendcomes]

Robes are by far the best piece in the game for a mage. Do not skip. It's not that I'm for or against either source of damage increase (+damage or +crit), it's just a comparison of pieces late game to see what adds the most average damage. In the case of chestpieces, the next best piece overall for DPS is the Stalker's Boar Hides from Act 1 lol. Mages are weird like that - their gear is almost unilaterally not itemized for damage, so you find that low item level rogue pieces will be best in slot in some cases (see Zoey's Battered Horde-Kickers or Bloody Butcher's Gloves).

Pieces have to be weighed against each other to try and get the most benefit out of the limited amount of gold you have. For example, Lucky Eddie's beats all other amulets. However, Smite found at level 21 will slightly edge it out in Spirit and Electricity, be about equal in Fire, and worse for Cold/Nature/Physical. But it's FREE. Those are the kind of decisions you have to make.

Nothing is static either. The rest of your stats, skills, and gear must be factored in before you can compare 2 pieces on equal footing. The DPS spreadsheet handles any kind of situation like that.

Lastly, to address your specific question, if you don't need the knockback protection on Etched Ring and have Legacy, then don't get it - Graven Circle is free and easily beats it.

Mr AFK's crit mage guide http://social.biowar...5/index/7075118 has a lot of the crit pieces that are cheap and available early. There's also a summary in the Mage DPS spreadsheet thread, and the actual spreadsheet has support for just about all the possible DPS gear in the game.

Modifié par thendcomes, 22 août 2011 - 05:06 .

[thendcomes]

Elhanan wrote...
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These past recommendations were helpful to me at that time, and were given with courtesy; no touting of orchestra music in the background. These latest recommendations have also been helpful, but when other choices were made, words like 'terrible', 'stubborn' , etc accompanied them. Not so charitable, and seasoned with ridicule.

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Toodles!

Since we're complaining about tone, your tone makes me gag. You sound like a park-slope hippie.

The other choices were not "terrible". They were merely "okay". "Terrible" was written to demonstrate that you can use gear that is actually terrible and still succeed.

[Elhanan]

thendcomes wrote...

Since we're complaining about tone, your tone makes me gag. You sound like a park-slope hippie.

Awww! Was so going for Mal Reynolds; will have to try harder....

But as you were only one of the supposed offenders, try not to take it all personally. It seems that others may also believe that gaming excellence relies on their due dilligence, and we the sheep need to be led to greener pastures with aid of their guidance.

The other choices were not "terrible". They were merely "okay". "Terrible" was written to demonstrate that you can use gear that is actually terrible and still succeed.

Yep; guess so, seing as I have made it thru thrice without those links. And loving it!

[AreleX]

you're awful intent on breaking your arm patting yourself on the back, and for what? because you beat an easy game without any help? if anyone is arrogant here, it's you. this holier-than-thou, false sense of superiority bs has got to stop.

there are quite a few people (thendcomes, suicidalbaby, mr afk, to name a few) in the gameplay related sections who put in a lot of work to HELP others, not control them or dictate the way that they play, but help them learn about, improve at, and enjoy the game. why you can't get get that through your head is beyond me, but hey, fight the power, stick it to the man, or however else you want to describe this ridiculous crusade of prideful ignorance.

you have your own way to enjoy the game, that's great, i'm happy for you. so do plenty of other people, and no one has any problem with that. plenty of other people also read the guides written by and ask questions to we terrible, terrible forum dictators and tyrants, and we've been happy to help and explain to give a frame of reference, even if the way they want to play doesn't match up with ours.

so i'll keep helping those who ask for it, and you can keep leading your one-man resistance from your high horse in a war that doesn't exist to anybody but you.

[Mocker22]

Well I'm coming around. It's hard with mages to see whats going to work best. My mage just started the deep roads so I still got time, but I'm starting to get an idea of what my ear is going to look like in act 3. Lemme know if this looks solid please. I appreciate the advice, the best thing about forums and all of these build topics is they make you think for yourself, but with a good knowledge base to start at.

Staff - Malcolm's, Falon'din, and a buncha other elements.

Robes - Clealiness
Helm - Apostates
Gloves- I dunno
Boots - dunno

Amulet- Smite and maybe some other cheap or free stuff I find
Belt - Seven Deadly Cinch
Ring- Puzzle of Black Fox
Ring- Graven Circle

My planned build is actually pretty similar to Mr_afk's crit mage setup.

On a random note....what is it with Bioware and making the absolute best items on the game, look like crappppp. Lol. I HATE the robes of clealiness, WHY would my apostate mage wanna wear chantry robes. ugh.

Modifié par Brock22, 22 août 2011 - 08:39 .

[thendcomes]

That looks great. You should carry one staff of each element. I recommend Cold-Blooded and The Final Thought, but they are expensive. You should decide if they are worth it. Electricty has The Hawke's Key or Eye of the Storm.

Gloves and boots are honestly such a low boost to DPS, feel free to take blood magic conversion items or anything else. Even something with a rune slot for Rune of Valiance, doesn't really matter. You may need the Mage Pack gloves for the knockback resistance, but I don't know.

Seven Deadly Cinch is far and away the best belt. Your rings also look good. Your setup is actually really cheap (just 140g+90g+20g) so you can probably easily afford either Cold-blooded or TFT or both.

[Elhanan]

If folks wish to help with questions, suggestions and recommendations, that was the purpose behind this thread.

OTOH, if some wish to post personal attacks, suppostions, and holding their opinions as a greater standard than others, they shall be reported as harrassment. Thanks!

[mesmerizedish]

See, that's what you don't seem to understand. No one's talking about opinions but you. AreleX, thendcomes, etc. are talking *facts* that are supported theoretically by *math* and empirically by AreleX's videos.

All they're saying is that x, y, and z are the best and that a, b, and c aren't as good. And that's demonstrably true.

[ripstrawberry]

"Gloves- I dunno"

bloody butcher gloves

"Boots - dunno"

zoey's battered horde kickers. Has the slot for your rune of valiance. The recommendations are for a non-blood mage of course. for a blood mage you could also consider high +hp gloves/boots or BM conversion gloves/boots as an alternative if you feel you're lacking in casting power.

[Range Rover]

The new item pack.

[Elhanan]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

See, that's what you don't seem to understand. No one's talking about opinions but you. AreleX, thendcomes, etc. are talking *facts* that are supported theoretically by *math* and empirically by AreleX's videos.

All they're saying is that x, y, and z are the best and that a, b, and c aren't as good. And that's demonstrably true.

Which is all fine and dandy; glad to have the links. *HUZZAH*

But not everyone wants to build characters the same way. I prefer defensive builds, and attempt to get the Immunity slots filled. Some may enjoy running thru Kirkwall in complete sets. Some may wish to simply try and use all the starting gear for as long as possible because it may have belonged to Father. Etc.

While some say that this all well and good, the info is dumped off with mumblings, taunts, and scoffing for choosing another selection.

Again, thanks for the recommendations and the number crunching. But pls leave the delivery attitudes elsewhere

[Mocker22]

I dunno, I think I'd have trouble getting cold-blooded and puzzle ring in act 2. Seems like a lot, but I've also never hit quite as much money as others seem to. I normally will keep my "high dollar" purchases somewhere around 300g total. Maybe I'll save my butt off and try for TFT.