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[Handsome Sorbo]

Hello all!

So back in the Bg/Nwn days I always liked to play characters that were a little different and a bit of a challenge.  With Dao soon to arrive I've only recently started thinking about the kind of character I want to roll.  One that I came up with while messing around in the character creator was a 2h rogue.  It would seem the default talent trees don't lend themselves particularly well to a 2h weapon, however it doesn't seem impossible.

One thing I'd need to know I guess is weather or not backstab bonuses only apply to daggers as the whole stab part would imply that, but the talent descriptions say nothing about a weapon requirement.

Would the other trees offer enough to offset the lack of attack skills for a 2h in the first three?  Either going bard for support skills, or perhaps dualist or assassin would have attacks that can be used with a 2h?

The other option would be to supplement the whole thing with some archery talents then use a 2h in close.

I don't know why but dual wielding really doesn't appeal to me.  Maybe because i've done it so much with rogue classes in other games, it would just be fun to try something a little different.  Also, it would be easy to just go with a warrior for a main character and specialize in 2h, but i like have rogue skills, and also would rather party with characters other than the two rogues offered.

What it comes down to in the end I guess is will this character have more to do than just auto attack.  I love a challenge, and with three other party members i'm sure i could carry my gimpy 2h rogue through the game, however although I don't mind him hitting like a wet noodle, it would be nice if i got to be active while doing so.  I suppose worst case he still makes himself useful disarming traps and lockpicking.

Thanks for taking the time to read this and for any oppinions you'd be willing to share!

** Also I plan on making a character who is, shall we say "slow." so it's kind of appropriate he'd pick the path of most resistance.

[Darthnemesis2]

Works well in DA: Journeys (or so I hear)

[NetBeansAndJava]

Rogues have so many awesome talents, you shouldn't feel like there's a lack of choices even if you can't take up weapon talents because you want to use 2H weapons.



One thing that might be a problem, though, is the str req for 2H weapons. I've gotten the impression that the str req will be quite high... being a rogue, that may mean having to sacrifice stats like cunning or dex. This is troublesome because most of the rogue talents need cunning or dex to even learn.

[Handsome Sorbo]

Thanks for the speedy replies! Much appreciated.



Hmm, I hadn't thought of the need to spread over dex cunning and strength. I figured I could pump str as a main stat for both the ability to use a good 2h and for my damage score, avoiding lethality and using the talent point elsewhere.



I guess I would need to balance it a bit then for the purposes of acquiring skills and basic rogue stuff like lock picking and stealing. I'm guessing as a utility team member who isn't tanking or the main damage dealer I can probably afford to straddle that line a bit, just becomes a matter of finding that proper balance.



Does anyone have a link to what the rogue specialization talents are? I've checked the wiki and most of the info is just name. I'm guessing that's probably all we know so far, but if there is a resource others know about i'd appreciate it.

[Darthnemesis2]

Specs ahoy!

[Terwox_]

There is just something wrong about the picture off a stealthy rogue sneaking around an enemy and then stabbing said enemy in the back with a giant two-hander.



Although truth be told. it makes me lol

[Darthnemesis2]

Terwox_ wrote...

There is just something wrong about the picture off a stealthy rogue sneaking around an enemy and then stabbing said enemy in the back with a giant two-hander.

Although truth be told. it makes me lol

I am inspired to use my poor artistic talent and turn this mental image into reality.

[Handsome Sorbo]

Thanks Darth.



Yeah I had a good look at this but it seems like the only spec that is laid out for us is the templar. The rest seem to just offer skill names. Ah well I guess i will just have to go on that and use my imagination haha.



Thanks again, nice to see people are already helpful in this game's community =)

[Cozarkian]

With 16 rogue talents and 8 specialization talents, I don't think a lack of useful abilities will be a problem, which means the only hurdle is the strength requirements.



Still a dwarf commoner rogue wielding a huge axe would be quasi-stereotypical fun.

[NetBeansAndJava]

Terwox_ wrote...

There is just something wrong about the picture off a stealthy rogue sneaking around an enemy and then stabbing said enemy in the back with a giant two-hander.

Although truth be told. it makes me lol

You think that's ridiculous?  I read in a thread similar to this one that somebody made a half-dragon character in D&D who backstabbed people with a lance!

Just imagine this hulking beast trying to hide in the smallest of shadows and leaping out with a huge 12 ft pole!

[Terwox_]

Darthnemesis2 wrote...

Terwox_ wrote...

There is just something wrong about the picture off a stealthy rogue sneaking around an enemy and then stabbing said enemy in the back with a giant two-hander.

Although truth be told. it makes me lol

I am inspired to use my poor artistic talent and turn this mental image into reality.

If it works, then by all means. Although personally I find it to break the immersion. but I'm tempted to try it out for myself to be honest.

It would certainly add a few extra chucles to the playthrough for sure.

[Terwox_]

NetBeansAndJava wrote...

Terwox_ wrote...

There is just something wrong about the picture off a stealthy rogue sneaking around an enemy and then stabbing said enemy in the back with a giant two-hander.

Although truth be told. it makes me lol

You think that's ridiculous?  I read in a thread similar to this one that somebody made a half-dragon character in D&D who backstabbed people with a lance!

Just imagine this hulking beast trying to hide in the smallest of shadows and leaping out with a huge 12 ft pole!

Just want to correct you. I find it funny, amusing, entertaining. Not trying to ridecule anyone. Although I have to admit you just painted me an even more hilarious mental image.

Modifié par Terwox_, 30 octobre 2009 - 05:43 .

[Muttnik81]

Very interesting for sure

[Sparafucile9]

I hate to be a downer but I'm fairly sure that only warriors are allowed to use the 2 handed talent progression.

[Darthnemesis2]

If you invest points into combat training as a rogue you can get 2 handers and sword/shield. Or at least you could last time a dev spoke about it. And even if you can't get the talents you could still use the weapon.

[Tiko savrok]

if you want to get technical about the backstab, its more about a lethal hit than an actual motion. so theoretically you could backstab with a tank.... though I do like the Half-dragon lance idea too....

[Bacchus22]

Will the stat requ for weapons keep going up with the tier of the weapon or is it gonna be a blanket stat requ for all weapons in the category (ex: in D&D, if you had, say, 14 Dex you could equip all Composite Longbows no matter how powerful)?

[JMOR]

Tiko savrok wrote...

if you want to get technical about the backstab, its more about a lethal hit than an actual motion. so theoretically you could backstab with a tank.... though I do like the Half-dragon lance idea too....

Actually no, a backstab is exactly what it sounds like. If a rogue gets behind an opponent and attacks they get an extra damage mulitplier. It has nothing to do with dealing the death blow. I'm fairly sure no class other than rogues get backstabs.

Modifié par JMOR, 30 octobre 2009 - 07:18 .

[NetBeansAndJava]

JMOR wrote...

Tiko savrok wrote...

if you want to get technical about the backstab, its more about a lethal hit than an actual motion. so theoretically you could backstab with a tank.... though I do like the Half-dragon lance idea too....

Actually no, a backstab is exactly what it sounds like. If a rogue gets behind an opponent and attacks they get an extra damage mulitplier. It has nothing to do with dealing the death blow. I'm fairly sure no class other class but rogues get backstabs.

Correct.  No other classes can backstab.

[Mistersunshine]

Darthnemesis2 wrote...

If you invest points into combat training as a rogue you can get 2 handers and sword/shield. Or at least you could last time a dev spoke about it.

I've seen a couple of people say this, and I'd like to know if it's actually true.  Anyone have a link to a Dev confirmation of this?

I would LOVE to make a two-hander-using rogue, sort of in the vein of Robert E. Howard's original Conan.

[ByblosHex]

My main DnD character has always been a Greatsword Rogue. I never saw anything wrong with the idea. Backstabs are just carefully aimed attacks on an unaware target. It has nothing to do with the type of weapon used.

[Silver Sparkle]

I think it should be taken as fact that rogues can get talents in swd&shld and 2-handed style. There are like 20 threads going around where the conclusion has been that its possible.



Personally I have also seen forum moderators confirm this. Its gonna be difficult to build one .... you'd probably get it wrong on the first playthru.

[hjarg]

Hmm, still remembering the good old video from T"he Gamers" of rogue backstabbing... with ballista

Stabbing with 2-handed weapons does not even comes close

[BomimoDK]

duelist specialisation sounds like your thing?

[AffectedFiddle]

"Backstab" with a 2H makes plenty of sense, your target us essentially flat footed and unprepared for the attack. Sneak up to someone with a sledgehammer and give em a quick hit, they will go down faster than if you used a frying pan.



"But a 2H is so big!" well its smaller than a dwarf body in every way, ergo if your dwarf rogue is currently unseen, the 2H is unlikely to change this fact. Again though, backstabbing happens during flanking etc as well.