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[darrylzero]

Deified Data wrote...

Good work on the Anders/Petrice comparison. Their methods and motivations are near-identical, yet we don't have any petrice supporters, not that I've seen. Why is that?

Maybe the lack of oppression?

[Beerfish]

Deified Data wrote...

Good work on the Anders/Petrice comparison. Their methods and motivations are near-identical, yet we don't have any petrice supporters, not that I've seen. Why is that?

I sided with Petrice in one play though and was totally happy to do so.  I thought what she was doing was a good thing.  I was disappointed that they had one final convo that sounded like I would be working with her again but it never happened.

[stobie]

Petrice, I considered the one purely evil character in the game. Someone sided with her. I need to stay away from these forums forever after. That is just too depressing.

[Beerfish]

stobie wrote...

Petrice, I considered the one purely evil character in the game. Someone sided with her. I need to stay away from these forums forever after. That is just too depressing.

It all depends on your point of view.  The number of people that approve of and are happy with the Qunari in this game and their actions is more boggling than the acts of Petrice.  There were many more warped and evil people in the game than her.  She realized a big threat and acted on it.  Not always in a nice way but she was one of these 'The end justifies the means.' characters of which there are many, many of in DA2.

[Camenae]

I didn't like Petrice but only because I personally disagreed with her goals. I agree with the above poster in that I certainly don't think she was like "THE MOST EVIL" in the world of dragon age or anything.

[darrylzero]

Beerfish wrote...

stobie wrote...

Petrice, I considered the one purely evil character in the game. Someone sided with her. I need to stay away from these forums forever after. That is just too depressing.

It all depends on your point of view.  The number of people that approve of and are happy with the Qunari in this game and their actions is more boggling than the acts of Petrice.  There were many more warped and evil people in the game than her.  She realized a big threat and acted on it.  Not always in a nice way but she was one of these 'The end justifies the means.' characters of which there are many, many of in DA2.

I don't know.  I mean yes, there were crazier, eviler folks around.  And I'm sympathetic that Kirkwall is leaving itself more open to Qunari mischief than it should.  But...

She comes off more as someone constructing an evil foreign threat for her own purposes, if you ask me.  I think there are some troubling racial scapegoating tendencies she displays, and I wouldn't trust her not commit acts of ethnic cleansing under the right circumstances.  Or do I mean wrong circumstances?  Anyway, I was mostly annoyed I couldn't act against her more decisively (and sooner).

Modifié par darrylzero, 11 avril 2011 - 08:07 .

[Beerfish]

darrylzero wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

stobie wrote...

Petrice, I considered the one purely evil character in the game. Someone sided with her. I need to stay away from these forums forever after. That is just too depressing.

It all depends on your point of view.  The number of people that approve of and are happy with the Qunari in this game and their actions is more boggling than the acts of Petrice.  There were many more warped and evil people in the game than her.  She realized a big threat and acted on it.  Not always in a nice way but she was one of these 'The end justifies the means.' characters of which there are many, many of in DA2.

I don't know.  I mean yes, there were crazier, eviler folks around.  And I'm sympathetic that Kirkwall is leaving itself more open to Qunari mischief than it should.  But...

She comes off more as someone constructing an evil foreign threat for her own purposes, if you ask me.  I think there are some troubling racial scapegoating tendencies she displays, and I wouldn't trust her not commit acts of ethnic cleansing under the right circumstances.  Or do I mean wrong circumstances?  Anyway, I was mostly annoyed I couldn't act against her more decisively (and sooner).

Oh yes she is nasty no doubt about that but at least she had a specific agenda to try and fix what she considered a big threat and her moves though clumbsy seemed to be pointed mostly towards that threat.  Her solution to her problem was much more sensible than Anders.  I think she was overall a well thought out character by BioWare and much more than your garden variety "Rawr! I want power! " sub villain.

[Peer of the Empire]

Beerfish wrote...

Deified Data wrote...

Good work on the Anders/Petrice comparison. Their methods and motivations are near-identical, yet we don't have any petrice supporters, not that I've seen. Why is that?

I sided with Petrice in one play though and was totally happy to do so.  I thought what she was doing was a good thing.  I was disappointed that they had one final convo that sounded like I would be working with her again but it never happened.

I see her actions as ridiculous and irresponsible.  That said, I agree with her.  We must think of Eternity

[Wulfram]

Petrice is more or less right about the Qunari.  They are a race of fanatics who consider outsiders "things".  They enslave those they conquer and they intend to conquer Thedas soon.  The Chantry and Andrastean governments throughout Thedas need to be shaken from their complacency before it is too late.

[Oneiropolos]

Under Petrice's viewpoint, conversion to the Qun and the Qunari posed a threat to the immortal souls of her followers. Their -deaths- didn't matter, because they go to the Maker's side. This is an extremist viewpoint and I'm not saying she's CORRECT, but as she argues, in her mind, eternity is at stake. As a foil for Anders, I think people immediately hate her because well, she set you up to die and she used you. You see, she didn't hide things from you as a friend when she was using you like Anders did. Which he argues is for your 'own safety' and so you won't be at fault for what will happen. In reality, I think he didn't want you to agree to help him because he REALIZES What he he is going to do is wrong but he can't stop Vengeance. And he also mentions you might try to stop him. This at first comes off as cowardly, "Well, I didn't tell you I was stealing the cookie because what if you tried to stop me from getting the cookie?!?" but if we presume he's aware that he can't control Vengeance at that point.. he may be more worried that Vengeance would kill you and he'd have the guilt of that on himself too.

Still, it doesn't add up to the diatribe he gives you if you refuse to help the last part of his quest. How he'll say you're clearly anti-mage and you kill kittens (...okay, he doesn't say the last part. He might as well though.) Vengeance is NOT taking over when he talks there, that's all Anders and his own fanaticism.

I offer the supposition that Petrice does not get supporters and is only viewed as one of the worst villains (I do think she is a villain) because we do not see her when she is NOT being fanatical and she can't be a love interest. If she was in your party, and you saw non-fanatical moments and you could take her to bed, there'd be people fervently defending her. Heck, I think people would miraculously be more tolerant of Sebastian despite his chantry leanings if they could take him to bed as opposed to just getting a marriage proposal and no kisses. I am -not- saying everyone feels that way, but it seems to be one of the primary driving motivations when it comes to the more "You can't think ____ does anything wrong! How dare you?!?" posts.

[da0Xeffect2]

There was some foreshadowing in Varric's banter with Anders. It is actually one of the first banters between them.

Anders: What?
Varric: Just wondering if the feathered pauldrons are an essential part of the moody rebel mage persona.
Anders: What are you talking about?
Varric: I'm working on an epic poem about a hopelessly romantic apostate waging an epic struggle against forces he can't possibly defeat.
Anders: What do you mean, “can't possibly defeat?”
Varric: Well, it's not a good story unless the hero dies.

It's a somewhat comical foreshadowing but it's mostly true. Maybe Anders doesn't die in anyone's playthrough but will eventually die and become the hero of the mages.

Modifié par da0Xeffect2, 11 avril 2011 - 09:26 .

[Oneiropolos]

... I've heard that banter so many times and never was like "..in his story Anders is the hero and Anders later likely dies." That was a good catch.

[Corwyn]

darrylzero wrote...


I don't know.  I mean yes, there were crazier, eviler folks around.  And I'm sympathetic that Kirkwall is leaving itself more open to Qunari mischief than it should.  But...

She comes off more as someone constructing an evil foreign threat for her own purposes, if you ask me.

I didn't really like Petrice but I will say this she wasn't out to construct an evil foriegn threat for herself.  She was a true believer and thought everything she was doing was for the good of Thedas and Kirkwall.  If you side with her and she doesn't get killed you can talk to her after she gets dismissed.  She herself hasn't gained anything she's actually lost her position in the chantry but she still seems determined to fight the Qunari threat.

She reminded me of Loghain in that regard, both of them thought they were serving the greater good, Loghain at least seemed somewhat conflicted about what he did though.

Modifié par Macgarnickle, 11 avril 2011 - 09:30 .

[Lord Gremlin]

Deified Data wrote...

Good work on the Anders/Petrice comparison. Their methods and motivations are near-identical, yet we don't have any petrice supporters, not that I've seen. Why is that?

Because people mostly like either mages, or Qunari, or both. And Petrice is against both. So...

[noxsachi]

Anders going nutso was foreshadowed in Awakening to be honest. Listening to his banter with Justice is pretty chilling.

Modifié par noxsachi, 11 avril 2011 - 09:41 .

[Camenae]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Deified Data wrote...

Good work on the Anders/Petrice comparison. Their methods and motivations are near-identical, yet we don't have any petrice supporters, not that I've seen. Why is that?

Because people mostly like either mages, or Qunari, or both. And Petrice is against both. So...

haha, this.

[Rifneno]

stobie wrote...

Petrice, I considered the one purely evil character in the game. Someone sided with her. I need to stay away from these forums forever after. That is just too depressing.

I was thinking about this topic this morning actually.  Who is the most unjustifable, "evil" character in the game?  I'm not saying it's definitely her, but I think we'd be remiss if we didn't nominate Fenris' **** sister for the running.  She's not fighting for some grand cause bigger than herself but going about it the wrong way, she's destroying the life of the brother who already willingly went through hell for her all so she can have power and riches.

[Urazz]

Beerfish wrote...

stobie wrote...

Petrice, I considered the one purely evil character in the game. Someone sided with her. I need to stay away from these forums forever after. That is just too depressing.

It all depends on your point of view.  The number of people that approve of and are happy with the Qunari in this game and their actions is more boggling than the acts of Petrice.  There were many more warped and evil people in the game than her.  She realized a big threat and acted on it.  Not always in a nice way but she was one of these 'The end justifies the means.' characters of which there are many, many of in DA2.

I actually never sided with the Qunari in my playthroughs so far.  It was more like I was trying to keep the situation from blowing up and get the Qunari out of Kirkwall without bloodshed.  Hell, I even would've helped the Qunari find the relic they were looking for if they asked for the help if it got them to leave peacefully (but they never did and then Isabela asked me to so I went along with her.).

[Oneiropolos]

Rifneno wrote...

stobie wrote...

Petrice, I considered the one purely evil character in the game. Someone sided with her. I need to stay away from these forums forever after. That is just too depressing.

I was thinking about this topic this morning actually.  Who is the most unjustifable, "evil" character in the game?  I'm not saying it's definitely her, but I think we'd be remiss if we didn't nominate Fenris' **** sister for the running.  She's not fighting for some grand cause bigger than herself but going about it the wrong way, she's destroying the life of the brother who already willingly went through hell for her all so she can have power and riches.

Oh, agreed, entirely. She SAYS Fenris fought for the tattoos in order to buy freedom for her mother and her. But because life sucked being free, (and I can see why for an elf and a woman they might have had to do some things that would really make one feel like crap, but like they didn't as slaves?) she decides her brother should go back into mindless slavery so she can become part of the very system that enslaved her entire family to begin with. WHAT?!? Then there's the people who say Fenris is evil if he kills her and I'm like...she betrayed him for her own profit and having been in Tevinter she KNOWS what will happen to him... I'm not saying you should go around killing your siblings, and I've always had Hawke basically stop Fenris ONLY because I have this feeling of, "She's not worth your time killing and possibly feeling guilty later over." I'd happily tell Fenris to leave and kill her myself instead and just never let him know she died there if it was an option. It's not like Hawke's hands are clean anyway. I think she definitel wins for most vile, despicable character in the game. Quentin's high up there, but at least I genuinely think he was crazy. She doesn't have that excuse.