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[glitter_guld]

Can someone be so kind to explain what is the reasoning behind S.Petrice's words, when she wants that Saarebas to be led to freedom? I can't grasp her idea. And how did she get him inside the town, when she is afraid to lead him outside, even through the sewers?? Thanks.

[Herr Uhl]

glitter_guld wrote...

And how did she get him inside the town, when she is afraid to lead him outside, even through the sewers?? 

He was inside town when she found him.

[CloudOfShadows]

*cough* From my understanding "Ketojan" was outside of the city when Petrice (or her friends?) acquired him.

And... well...

I think the idea isn't exactly a leading to freedom, but... that'd be spoilers?

[glitter_guld]

Yes, I think he was outside, because the whole idea of him killing himself was that his unit was destroyed and he left alone....

And spoilers are OK. I am long past that moment and spoilers are allowed here.

[Herr Uhl]

glitter_guld wrote...

Yes, I think he was outside, because the whole idea of him killing himself was that his unit was destroyed and he left alone....

And spoilers are OK. I am long past that moment and spoilers are allowed here.

Seemed most likely. In any case, the reason she didn't want to get him out was so that whomever escorted him would be killed, and thus she could whip up a mob against the Qunari.

[Camenae]

So, let me get this straight: She found Ketojan outside the city, and she snuck him INTO the city just so she could tell you to sneak him back OUT?

Which isn't really surprising given what the point of her ploy was, but just wanted to see if I understood it correctly.

[Addai]

Petrice is setting you up to be "innocent victims" of the Qunari that she can use to inflame the populace against them. Ketojan is trying to get back to the Qunari so that he can submit to the Qun and die an honorable death, since they consider him to be corrupted because he was free without a handler. That's my understanding of the quest, at least.

[Addai]

Camenae wrote...

So, let me get this straight: She found Ketojan outside the city, and she snuck him INTO the city just so she could tell you to sneak him back OUT?

Which isn't really surprising given what the point of her ploy was, but just wanted to see if I understood it correctly.

Ketojan was a survivor of a Tal Vashoth attack on a Qunari patrol (or maybe the Qunari were attacking the Tal Vashoth?).  I guess that the Qunari patrol could have been inside the city, or in the undercity, at the time.  You don't usually see any down there, but that doesn't mean they don't use the undercity to move like everyone else.

Modifié par Addai67, 09 avril 2011 - 06:48 .

[dreman9999]

She want to send the Quarian Mage to Orlais. He was going to be used as an example of how lenient the Chantry is with mages compared to the Qun.
It's more like they wanted to say,"You think we're bad.......Look at what the Qun does to mages. Now that's evil." 
It was never about helping the guy, which made that chantry mother evil.

[Herr Uhl]

dreman9999 wrote...

She want to send the Quarian Mage to Orlais. He was going to be used as an example of how lenient the Chantry is with mages compared to the Qun.
It's more like they wanted to say,"You think we're bad.......Look at what the Qun does to mages. Now that's evil." 
It was never about helping the guy, which made that chantry mother evil.

...no. She wanted the Aavarad to find you with him and then kill you, something that could be used as a reason to rouse people against the Qunari.

Edit: People know very well how Qunari treat their mages, it is no secret.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 09 avril 2011 - 06:55 .

[glitter_guld]

If we consider that qunari move under city and even fight with each other, what's the point of the whole setup. She was looking for some thugs initially. No one is going to miss couple of thugs, considering that the whole town is a battleground for thug wars... So she did sneak him in and out. And why she was sure that he was going to kill someone if he didn't try it with her... I am totally lost...

[dgcatanisiri]

On top of attempting to spark something between the citizens of Kirkwall and the qunari, she also is applying her own method of thinking towards Ketojan, which she brings up when you interrogate her later on about her plans. If she were Ketojan, her assumption is that she would attempt to break away, find freedom. She does not and chooses not to attempt to understand the demands of the qun.

[Camenae]

glitter_guld wrote...

 And why she was sure that he was going to kill someone if he didn't try it with her... I am totally lost...

Maybe she allowed her bodyguard Ser Varnell to go ahead and do his thing on Ketojan, like you see him do to other Qunari in Act II.  And then she figured that if Ketojan didn't react to THAT by defending himself, he wouldn't react violently to anything anyone else can do.

[glitter_guld]

dgcatanisiri wrote...

On top of attempting to spark something between the citizens of Kirkwall and the qunari, she also is applying her own method of thinking towards Ketojan, which she brings up when you interrogate her later on about her plans. If she were Ketojan, her assumption is that she would attempt to break away, find freedom. She does not and chooses not to attempt to understand the demands of the qun.

No, no, she understands Qun very well. Remember, one of the Lore items you click around the town is a book "Art of War" by her, if I am not mistaken. She is strategist scholar of the Chantry... She knows the subject.

Modifié par glitter_guld, 09 avril 2011 - 07:08 .

[dgcatanisiri]

I don't recall anything like that. And her attitude definitely displays a 'they are heathens unworthy of attempting to understand' bias. She sees them as barbarians too stubborn to convert to the 'light' of the chantry, and so they must be eliminated.

[glitter_guld]

dgcatanisiri wrote...

I don't recall anything like that. And her attitude definitely displays a 'they are heathens unworthy of attempting to understand' bias. She sees them as barbarians too stubborn to convert to the 'light' of the chantry, and so they must be eliminated.

I was mistaken, sorry. I looked in my journal, it was a different book.

[earl of the north]

glitter_guld wrote...

If we consider that qunari move under city and even fight with each other, what's the point of the whole setup. She was looking for some thugs initially. No one is going to miss couple of thugs, considering that the whole town is a battleground for thug wars... So she did sneak him in and out. And why she was sure that he was going to kill someone if he didn't try it with her... I am totally lost...

The plan is quite simple.....Hawke (peace loving pacifist) and friends (pious followers of Andrastian one and all) are cruelly slaughtered by the evil Qunari as they escort an abused Qunari Andrastian convert fleeing to safety......raise up brothers and sisters and drive this evil from the Maker eyes!

Basically since the Qunari don't care about the bodies of the dead (their own or their enemies), she arranges for some suckers to get themselves slaughtered by the Qunari with lots of bodies as evidence......instant atrocity which she can use in her sermons against the Qunari.  She doesn't care who get slaughtered since she's planning to lie about it anyway.

Edit: spelling

Modifié par earl of the north, 09 avril 2011 - 10:10 .

[White_Buffalo94]

She had her guard and a few more cronies kill the Sarebaas' enclave basically, and took him into Kirkwall. She then recruited a nobody to lead him out to the common man's obvious death by followers of the Qun. Thus, blame could be put on the Qunari, whom she hates

[Torax]

White_Buffalo94 wrote...

She had her guard and a few more cronies kill the Sarebaas' enclave basically, and took him into Kirkwall. She then recruited a nobody to lead him out to the common man's obvious death by followers of the Qun. Thus, blame could be put on the Qunari, whom she hates

There seemed to be an agreement that a battle between the Talv and the Qunari is what took place. It sounds more like her fanatics found the Qunari on his own and brought him under ground to her as a prize basically. She couldn't leave him there and was working a way to get him back outside. Plus while he was inside, would have been a nice show to many of her followers of how evil the Qunari are. Meanwhile Ketojan was just standing there probably thinking. "Stupid bloody humans!"

[Addai]

White_Buffalo94 wrote...

She had her guard and a few more cronies kill the Sarebaas' enclave basically, and took him into Kirkwall. She then recruited a nobody to lead him out to the common man's obvious death by followers of the Qun. Thus, blame could be put on the Qunari, whom she hates

According to the Qunari guy she sends to get you, Ketojan's patrol was killed by Tal Vashoth.

[sammcl]

To the best of my understanding, it was a Tal Vashoth/Qunari battle, as Torax said. It could have been Templars under Petrice's command however because we only have Petrice's word (worth nothing), and Arvaraad's arrogance that only Tal Vashoth are capable of killing a Karataam.

In any case, Petrice found the mage, took him and deliberately left a trail for the Qunari to follow. Then found some suckers in Lowtown to follow that trail back out and get slaughtered by the Qunari. She would then use the deaths of humans at Qunari hands to fuel hatred and get the Qunari expelled from the city or killed by angry mobs.

Such a shame we couldn't kill her ourselves and have the Qunari step in only if we decided to have her arrested instead.

[Casuist]

According to the Qunari guy she sends to get you, Ketojan's patrol was killed by Tal Vashoth.

Which, since Arvaarad was being set up to kill the Sarebaas' custodians, doesn't mean much.

Modifié par Casuist, 09 avril 2011 - 10:59 .

[WhiteAden]

Torax wrote...

White_Buffalo94 wrote...

She had her guard and a few more cronies kill the Sarebaas' enclave basically, and took him into Kirkwall. She then recruited a nobody to lead him out to the common man's obvious death by followers of the Qun. Thus, blame could be put on the Qunari, whom she hates

There seemed to be an agreement that a battle between the Talv and the Qunari is what took place. It sounds more like her fanatics found the Qunari on his own and brought him under ground to her as a prize basically. She couldn't leave him there and was working a way to get him back outside. Plus while he was inside, would have been a nice show to many of her followers of how evil the Qunari are. Meanwhile Ketojan was just standing there probably thinking. "Stupid bloody humans!"

I thinks this is the truth... also I love "Stupid Bloody Humans!" 

[Addai]

Casuist wrote...

According to the Qunari guy she sends to get you, Ketojan's patrol was killed by Tal Vashoth.

Which, since Arvaarad was being set up to kill the Sarebaas' custodians, doesn't mean much.

He knows it was a setup.  He just doesn't care.

[AlexXIV]

Well it was a setup to make the Qunari look bad. Which probably would never have worked since it was more of a plot device than a well thought out story. I mean even if the Qunari had killed Hawke and crew, how would Sister Petrice have used that? Would she have told people that she was part of it? Doubt it.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 09 avril 2011 - 11:24 .