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[Zeluna]

What Bioware was able to do to get the 360 to play this game is amazing but ppl complain they can't zoom in or out of their game play on a console. Well of course you can't! I can't get over 90 miles a hour in a subcompact car but its not the pavements fault is it?

[BluesMan1956]

simpatikool wrote...

The only people that HATE console versions of this game are just being snobbish. I kind of get a kick out of elitist gamers complaining that they view console as easy mode. That just smacks of elitist b.s.

After playing the console and PC versions of Oblivion, I think there may be some truth to the statement that console versions are less difficult.  Of course, Oblivion had a difficulty slider.   I don't see any reason why they couldn't be made as difficult by tweaking on statistics and combat properties.

[Bluto Blutarskyx]

you guys want smug?



your 16 inch console screens can kiss my 52 inch high def television's ass.

[Blue_dodo]

deathwing200 wrote...

Since console players are always kids, who are generally bad at challenging RPGs like DA:O, Bio toned down the difficulty of the game on consoles to prevent them from crying if they die too much.

thank you for you totally insighful post really helps<_<

Look I did not ask for the game too be easier infact other then the freindly fire being turned off (this does not exclued certain effect like paralysis explosion,dispel and blzziard) it still is relativly difficult, you actually do get the same amount of mobs just cut up into waves.

and mages are still a pain in the ass

[BluesMan1956]

Bluto Blutarskyx wrote...

you guys want smug?

your 16 inch console screens can kiss my 52 inch high def television's ass.

Yeah, only 47" 1080p here, but the only thing that would make the experience more immersive is adding surround-sound

[Zeluna]

dj1917 wrote...

$500? That's about £300. You can't get a decent gaming set-up for that, my laptop cost £250 (recently) and isn't even close to being able to play DAO, the best it can manage is Medieval 2 Total War, and that's the best gaming set-up I could afford. A desktop wouldn't run it (decently) at that price either unless it was a HUGE bargain. PC snobs should remember that we can't all afford top-end gear- that's why console games outsell PC games despite a lot more homes containing PCs than consoles;. most people can't play new games. The 360 version is a good bloody game and the reason it has less enemies is because it's played more as a real-time game and less pause, point and click. The graphics aren't that bad either. Certainly better than they'd look on a £300 PC, anyway.

I am not saying its not a good game played on the 360. What hoops Bioware had to jump through to get the levels of playability for a console to be as good as it is is something short of miraculous. But you can not complain of limited abilities or features that just can not be handled by inferior hardware. This is not being snobbish this is being factual.

Let your kids have the consoles and start planning on building yourself a nice gaming system. I built mine piece by piece all for under $1000 over a 4 month period of time. Now I have a game system that will last me probably 6 years. Just like my old PC lasted me 6 years before I had to upgrade it to what it is now. I can play any game on the market now at full max settings in video or whatever. Something more powerful comes out I can spend a measly $40-70 to upgrade the video card to support this new game in the future as I have in the past.

PC's are modular, you can upgrade em piece by piece as you get the money. The initial investment is a lower-end PC and every month just add a new widget to make it faster. As you feel like it.

[Verlas]

The fact that console versions can be completed in less than 15 hours is a pretty strong indicator of the (lack of) difficulty... I'm 20% complete at 50 hours in because leaving a battle unpaused for over 5 seconds at a time (nightmare) is a death sentence on the PC version.

[Zeluna]

Bluto Blutarskyx wrote...

you guys want smug?

your 16 inch console screens can kiss my 52 inch high def television's ass.

what do you think the TV out connection on a video card or laptop is for? YOu don't play the game on the monitor the laptop comes with you silly person. The laptop funtions like a console in a sense and you can port the video out to a REAL high-def screen.

[slobozeanu]

hello

[BluesMan1956]

Verlas wrote...

The fact that console versions can be completed in less than 15 hours is a pretty strong indicator of the (lack of) difficulty... I'm 20% complete at 50 hours in because leaving a battle unpaused for over 5 seconds at a time (nightmare) is a death sentence on the PC version.

Which game are you talking about?  Certainly not DA:O.  I have 52 hrs in and I just got past Landsmeet.

[F-C]

BluesMan1956 wrote...
 the only thing that would make the experience more immersive is adding surround-sound

i find wearing a decent quality headset is the best way to go personally.

it blocks out most of the outside sound while still getting the stereo 'surround sound' feel to the game.

thats just my opinion.

[Zeluna]

most motherboards nowadays come with just about everything you need to get started right away. Built-in Video, built-in surround sound audio, built-in network card to connect to internet. If you don't like the quality you can spend at a later date under $50-70 to upgrade to something better. But the choice is up to you. You are in control of your destiny and not limited by a piece of hardware that is good for kids but never meant to run games of a higher caliber.

[ITSSEXYTIME]

Laptops shouldn't be used for gaming: the technology just isn't there.



You can definitely get a gaming PC for $400-500 that will run most games on the market just fine.

[jawlz]

Yelina wrote...

dj1917 wrote...

$500? That's about £300. You can't get a decent gaming set-up for that, my laptop cost £250 (recently) and isn't even close to being able to play DAO, the best it can manage is Medieval 2 Total War, and that's the best gaming set-up I could afford. A desktop wouldn't run it (decently) at that price either unless it was a HUGE bargain. PC snobs should remember that we can't all afford top-end gear- that's why console games outsell PC games despite a lot more homes containing PCs than consoles;. most people can't play new games. The 360 version is a good bloody game and the reason it has less enemies is because it's played more as a real-time game and less pause, point and click. The graphics aren't that bad either. Certainly better than they'd look on a £300 PC, anyway.

I am not saying its not a good game played on the 360. What hoops Bioware had to jump through to get the levels of playability for a console to be as good as it is is something short of miraculous. But you can not complain of limited abilities or features that just can not be handled by inferior hardware. This is not being snobbish this is being factual.

Let your kids have the consoles and start planning on building yourself a nice gaming system. I built mine piece by piece all for under $1000 over a 4 month period of time. Now I have a game system that will last me probably 6 years. Just like my old PC lasted me 6 years before I had to upgrade it to what it is now. I can play any game on the market now at full max settings in video or whatever. Something more powerful comes out I can spend a measly $40-70 to upgrade the video card to support this new game in the future as I have in the past.

PC's are modular, you can upgrade em piece by piece as you get the money. The initial investment is a lower-end PC and every month just add a new widget to make it faster. As you feel like it.

Dude, I'm all for PCs, but your posts on consoles are pretty ignorant and are definitely needlessly polemic. In terms of price, you generally get *more* or better hardware in a console than you would get buying the parts separately, because Microsoft, Sony, et all make most of their money on software, not the actual consoles. This is why companies sell consoles for less than it costs them to build them when they first come out.

And upgrading a video card for $40-70? Umm.... no, not if you're upgrading it to something that's actually *good*. The 'budget' versions of new cards are around $150; top-of-the-line video cards will run you anywhere from $250 to $400. Do you need them? No, but even single upgrades can get expensive.

Anyways, there's nothing wrong with consoles - I have my xbox 360 set up in my living room, and it can play games (downloaded and on discs), watch DVDs, stream netflix films, stream video and music from my home server, etc, and it is made to be a good experience on the living room tv. I like it there better than I've liked any HTPC I've used (and I've had several over the years).

Of course there is nothing wrong with PCs either, but NOBODY here is arguing 'ditch the PC, get a console;' the only one arguing that something is worthless is you with your remarks on consoles. The PC and the console each has a place.


If you want to get worked up about something, you can get worked up about many games in general being 'dumbed down' (in whatever way) so that they will fit with the console control scheme/players mindsets better, and that carrying over to the PC games as well, or with games being ported to the PC from the console instead of the other way around.

But you are very, very off base with your dismissal of all consoles as next-to-worthless.

[BluesMan1956]

Yelina wrote...

most motherboards nowadays come with just about everything you need to get started right away. Built-in Video, built-in surround sound audio, built-in network card to connect to internet. If you don't like the quality you can spend at a later date under $50-70 to upgrade to something better. But the choice is up to you. You are in control of your destiny and not limited by a piece of hardware that is good for kids but never meant to run games of a higher caliber.

But then I won''t get all those achievements and gamerscore!!

[DLC On The Disc]

PC Gamers have hated on console gamers since the dawn of time. Don't worry about it, they're destroying their own industry, you won't hear much out of them in a few more years...

[Zeluna]

The specs for an Xbox 360 are something along the lines of this:



512MB of DDR3 memory - The game requires a system with 4GB to play with fully maxxed settings so a console person has 1/4th the ability to expeditiously run this game based the games theoretical potential on PC.



a 90nm Xenos 500 mhz video processor - This right there is a total bottleneck since you need a video card with at LEAST 1GB of video memory to be able to max otu settings or even play smothly at normal settings. This video chip is 1/2 as strong as a typical video card processor of a lower end PC. Don't even get me started on the $100-150+ video cards that can make circles around this processor.



The heart of this console is a Xenon 3.2 Ghz ranging from 90 to 65 nm die cut based on what version you have of the 360. The CPU has 3 cores and the with a 1 MB level 2 cache being shared by all 3 cores. It has a 21.6 GB/s front side bus, aggregated 10.8 GB/s upstream and downstream. - Lower end Phenom II's have a 37 GB/s front side bus architecture and level 3 caches. This is a reasonably decent CPU but you can't pop in a newer one to replace this because its solder to the 360 motherboard!

[Zeluna]

DLC On The Disc wrote...

PC Gamers have hated on console gamers since the dawn of time. Don't worry about it, they're destroying their own industry, you won't hear much out of them in a few more years...

Thats like saying the people who make sports cars will be gone in favor or everyone driving Ford Focus's or Geo Storm's lol

I doubt the PC industry who has 1000x the jobs as the console market will be going away anytime soon since you can do other things on a PC that you can even think to do on a console. If anything the invierse will be true as PC's get smaller and cheaper and faster then consoles will become obsolete.

There is way too much tech behind PC's and too many ppl employed by those industries to even have a remote chance of them to all become unemployed becuase a few console makers corner the gaming market. PC's have something inherent in the vary nature consoles do not based on its tech - adaptability.

[jawlz]

OK, but I don't see your point. The memory requirements for the PC version of Dragon Age are high because in addition to playing dragon age, you're going to have CPU cycles and memory sectors dedicated to doing other things (background tasks of your OS, multitasking operations, etc) that you won't have on the console. And besides that, consoles *are* significantly cheaper. When the 360 came out over three years ago, you got all that for $300, which was WAY less than market price for the individual components then. And today you can get it for $100 if you do the Walmart deal. Still a relative bargain for what you're getting.



So.... what's your point? That a PC is upgradable and more flexible in what it can be used for? Well, no duh. Nobody is arguing that point. Nobody's even arguing that PCs can't play good games. You're the one who is here arguing about how consoles are nothing but nearly worthless toys (something I've seen *no* evidence of) and that you can upgrade a video card in a PC to something that can play all the latest games at their highest settings for $40-$70 (which is a ridiculous claim that is entirely inaccurate).





Look, I love PCs and PC gaming; I grew up on computer games, not console games. But your characterization of both consoles and pcs is not accurate.

[DevilDoc8404]

Fact is... You will never convince a console gamer that pc gaming is better. And you'll most deffinitely not convince me console gaming is better. Lets get beyond that shall we?

[Godzilla vs Xenu]

deathwing200 wrote...

Since console players are always kids, who are generally bad at challenging RPGs like DA:O, Bio toned down the difficulty of the game on consoles to prevent them from crying if they die too much.

It's statements like this one that make some PC gamers every bit as bad as the kiddie console gamers they constantly whinge about. That is an unbeliveably stupid thing to say. Got news for you sunshine, there are a whole lot of adults who play on consoles and as hard as it is for you to put your arrogance aside, many of them are every bit as "good" as you at playing games.  I think the answer to this post lies more in the fact that some PC gamers have an irrational, immature hatred of console games and gamers and love to pipe up at every opportunity about how superior their PC gaming is. I will lay a bet with anyone of those PC gamers that I have been gaming longer than they have, and am every bit as good as they are at any given game. But the simple fact is some people, including myself, simply do not like to play games on their PCs, and believe it or not some people do not like the pause and play / overhead tactical approach. I'd love for someone to explain to me why their preference MUST be shared by everyone. I enjoyed this game immensely on my Ps3 and have no complaints at all. I think it is also worth pointing out that I have noticed a ton of tech problem posts here from PC gamers - from console gamers playing the game, not so much.

Modifié par Godzilla vs Xenu, 18 novembre 2009 - 07:43 .

[Fatalmephisto]

I'm sorry guy's i didn't want to start a flame war here, i was just wondering what all i would be missing from both versions, now when i do get a better system sure ill get the PC version in a heartbeat this game is just too good to avoid it's a real shame though that not many people on the 360 or PS3 see this game as being a GOTY worthy, to me oh hell yeah it is.

[Frash807]

In about 6 months or so there will be so many kick ass mods that the console versions will suck ass.  Sadly I bought the 360 version. 

[Zeluna]

jawlz wrote...

If you want to get worked up about something, you can get worked up about many games in general being 'dumbed down' (in whatever way) so that they will fit with the console control scheme/players mindsets better, and that carrying over to the PC games as well, or with games being ported to the PC from the console instead of the other way around.

But you are very, very off base with your dismissal of all consoles as next-to-worthless.

Thats the reason they are ported from console to the PC is becuase if you create a console version you will get more sales since more ppl are likely to own a console since they are cheaper. But for ppl to come on a forum and say why can't I do this or that on my console that can be done on a PC is just ludicrous.

Next generation of gaming will be on PC's or perhaps hybrid consoles that are truely more PC then console because of the law of tech that makes everythign smaller, faster and cheaper every 1/2 a year.

And your statement about saying I think consoles are are next to worthless are your words not mine. I never said that but to run modern games at full possible potential should be on a PC and not a console otherwise the point is moot.

Consoles will always be dumbed down to allow for the hardware to have a hope of matching the software. Powerful software requires powerful hardware. This is not my "opinion" it is a fact like the sky is blue. My contention is that you can harness that power for double the price of a console and further can adapt and upgrade as you see fit later.

This is not being snobbish or elitist or other semantics. In the future, computers will be hooked up to our TV's and entertainment centers running Windoze or Linux or MacOS or some hybrid of all of em. But to think a console system will be at the heart of this based on the direction the PC's are heading is self-defeating.

As in the past you can take a piece of software or even an emulator card and stiick it in a PC and run older consoles. Consoles become absorbed into PC's. What makes you think software is 2-3 years can't emulate a current Xbox 360 and run everything an Xbox 360 can run? Can the 360 emulate a PC or even have a hope of doing so in the future?

Modifié par Yelina, 18 novembre 2009 - 07:59 .

[Zeluna]

Godzilla vs Xenu wrote...

deathwing200 wrote...

Since console players are always kids, who are generally bad at challenging RPGs like DA:O, Bio toned down the difficulty of the game on consoles to prevent them from crying if they die too much.

It's statements like this one that make some PC gamers every bit as bad as the kiddie console gamers they constantly whinge about. That is an unbeliveably stupid thing to say. Got news for you sunshine, there are a whole lot of adults who play on consoles and as hard as it is for you to put your arrogance aside, many of them are every bit as "good" as you at playing games.  I think the answer to this post lies more in the fact that some PC gamers have an irrational, immature hatred of console games and gamers and love to pipe up at every opportunity about how superior their PC gaming is. I will lay a bet with anyone of those PC gamers that I have been gaming longer than they have, and am every bit as good as they are at any given game. But the simple fact is some people, including myself, simply do not like to play games on their PCs, and believe it or not some people do not like the pause and play / overhead tactical approach. I'd love for someone to explain to me why their preference MUST be shared by everyone. I enjoyed this game immensely on my Ps3 and have no complaints at all. I think it is also worth pointing out that I have noticed a ton of tech problem posts here from PC gamers - from console gamers playing the game, not so much.

Yeah I don't think a lot of 360 players are kids, as matter of fact I think the majority of players of 360 are adults who can afford a nice gaming console. When any tech is more complicated its more likely to have more problems unless you know what you are doing. I'm sure a car owned by a mechanic would be a much better buy for someone then one owned by a 19 year old kid out of high schoool tho.

DA:O is a milestone of achievement for Bioware and I am very much looking forward to Mass Effect 2 and The Old Republic MMO once they release both. My contention is consoles are limiting in what they can do and highly nonupgradable. This doesn't make them bad for what they can do. But if a game comes out that has software stronger then the current hardware you MUST dumb down the game to fit the hardware specs. Having a limited upgrade path for future games means your software basket full of apples will have to fit a smaller and smaller hardware hole for them to fall into.