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[Foolsfolly]

The Hawke legacy will be blurry and mostly unspoken. They're not even sure what Hawke's name and gender were.

[-Skorpious-]

Then what was the point of playing as Hawke? The Warden (even without DLC) was allowed a solid ending which wrapped up his/her adventure nicely - Hawke received no such treatment.

Unless dlc REALLY makes up for Hawke's pitiful role in the story, then I expect that we will see more of Hawke in DA3.

[RavenB]

I think it's a bit silly people assume it was implied Hawke would continue to be the most important person ever just because Cassandra was looking for him. Yes, she was looking and she heard his story, but you hear they were also looking for the warden when she leaves and that they couldn't find either. By that measure, Hawke isn't really any more important than the warden to them as far as we can see.

[IanPolaris]

We were told when DA2 was in production that Hawke would wind up being the most important person in Thedas.

It's not true. Hawke is merely a puppet loaned to the player by Bioware to show us how we, the players, don't really matter in the story that Bioware wants to tell.

-Polaris

[AlexXIV]

I don't expect a DLC to make up for the main game. I don't remember any DLC doing that ever. Usually it is just mediocore optional content of average quality. Only exception I'd know is LotSB for ME2. And I also doubt they leave a cliffhanger for a DLC, that would be even more ridiculous. Most likely the cliffhanger is going to be 'resolved' in DA3. We don't know if Hawke will be protagonist again or just have a cameo. If I can't play Hawke or my Warden in DA3 I am not going to play it at all though. Enough with the 'new heroes'. Everytime people demand new heroes and then are unhappy and demand a new one again.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 10 avril 2011 - 11:54 .

[RavenB]

I wasn't unhappy with Hawke or the warden. I'm just happy to let them go in order to experience a new hero. I'm interested in the new personality, romance options, background, etc, that the new hero would have. I feel like I've already spent enough time with the old and, although I enjoyed that time, stretching it out to further games would be less interesting than experiencing something new.

[Wee Joe Green]

ziloe wrote...

Post-campaign save? I'm on the PC and I didn't get such a thing. 

It doesn't alert you to it, it's an autosave, go to load game and check, it should be top of the list.

[Wee Joe Green]

kedcoleman wrote...

Ah.

I see.

You've mistakenly concluded that the story of Dragon Age 2 was about Hawke. He was simply the most prominent and integral character in a story about the circumstances of the start of a Templar war.

I'm sorry I've not "mistakenly" come to any erroneous conclusion.  Dragon Age 2 was promoted as the rise to power of Hawke.  The main character and the drive behind the game.  His decisions shaped the events at the end of the game.  Due to the fact what transpired has now escalated into something bigger which now involves the world and narrative outside of Hawke's, does not mean that the story of DA2 was not about him.  It was promoted and advertised as his story, we played his story.

Modifié par Wee Joe Green, 10 avril 2011 - 12:05 .

[Wee Joe Green]

TJPags wrote...

There was a post campaign save after WH, too. Just so there was a save for the choices you made.

Could be the same here.

That said, while I wouldn't be opposed to Hawke DLC, I'd have to look at each one individually when deciding what to purchase. To my mind, Hawke was a bystander during the events leading to the mage war, not integral to it. I also feel that this story is over . . the mage war started, we know how.

In short, I don't feel any compelling "need" to know what happened to Hawke or any of the companions post-DA2. If there was a DLC which interested me, and dealt with that topic, I may get it. But it's not a "must-have" for me.

No perhaps not - hence my point about DLC not being compulsory - but some wind up and conclusion to Hawke's story was really needed, more so than that final boss battle and not a second more.  Bioware/Dragon Age always just  briefly narrate the after events.  Most other large scale games and particularly rpg's, allow you to actually see the descriptions taking place, it's much more satisfying.  Everyone secretly enjoys a cliffhanger or if not a cliffhanger per se then the suspense of waiting to see what comes next.  But it's not good storytelling to leave you abruptly after a battle without a shred of insight into the immediate after effects of that scene.  Not the grand scale "what came next", as this will be for future games or expansions, but the immediate cool down.  Failing to do so leaves many still wanting and unsatisfied with the end of a story, game or book.

Modifié par Wee Joe Green, 10 avril 2011 - 12:13 .

[Wee Joe Green]

Super_Fr33k wrote...

Bioware would be contradicting, or at least severely undermining, DA2's promotion and story-telling to not continue Hawke's story, and to not demonstrate Hawke's continuing relevance to the world. The Chantry, through Leliana and Cassandra, would not be going nuts trying to find Hawke and/or The Warden if they weren't still important. Cassandra was clearly convinced Hawke could somehow end the mage rebellion... why would BW abandon so much hype?

I really think post-campaign, episodic DLC should be explored. Instead of self-contained mini-adventures, or one big wrap-it-up expansion, why not release a few chapters of DLC in which Hawke is dragged back into the center of the mage rebellion? It could offer a great chance for continuing the story, but with better pacing than a conventional expansion. More to the point, it could permit course corrections -- if fans point out big problems in chapter 1, BW might tweak chapters 2 or 3.

I think this approach would be far better than post-campaign Hawke just waiting around for a minor adventure he/she could have done in Act 1. Designing DLC without being year-specific strikes me as a large burden likely to create shallow story lines...

I think you make a good point and I agree with your thoughts on future dlc.  I hate non-essential, limp narrative dlc that's just there to offer a new mini adventure without substance rather than offering a more detailed continuance of the story which rewards those who wish to know more without it being the substance of the future games.  Details, not idle quests mid-game or pre-war.

[Wee Joe Green]

-Skorpious- wrote...

Please - not another new hero. What happened to "Become the most important person in Thedas"?

Morrigan's child, the soul of the Archdemon, will be the main character in DA3, assuming the story of Morrigan and Flemeth is revealed in DA3.  This is my thoughts anyway.

[Wee Joe Green]

Bible Doctor wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

Please - not another new hero. What happened to "Become the most important person in Thedas"?

I've grown rather attached to Hawke. I'd be thoroughly depressed if Hawke didn't return as the PC in a sequel to DA2.

Yeah me too I must admit, that's why I thought playing as Morrigan's child with the soul of the Archdemon would be the only compromise and worthy hero to take over.  I'd play that

[Wee Joe Green]

Foolsfolly wrote...

I agree with BlackBaron.

A large expansion is preferable to multiple small episodic DLCs. I'm still distrustful of episodic DLC. No one delivers them on time. The biggest case in point being Half-Life's episodes which are hilariously over-due. Valve said they would do the episodic DLCs because they could turn them out 6 months apart.

That was what, 5 or 6 years ago. Where's the finale to that? Is there even a release date rumored? No.

And if they even got them out in a timely manner there's still the fact that they're just small tiny pieces. It'd be better, in my opinion, to just wait until they're eventually collected and play them as one big whole.

Who wants to be string along over a year of DLCs?

Oh no I agree with this, that is what I mean, in that, I am looking for a full and proper explanation of the after events and dlc/expansion which expanded on the details and aftermath would be preferable to inconsequential dlc that took place pre-war.

[Wee Joe Green]

RavenB wrote...

I was never under the impression they'd keep Hawke around forever. Game elements like romances would be damaged a lot by keeping the same hero over and over. Even just leveling and skills, getting stuck as one class/race forever would be boring. I'd rather have a new hero. It was always my assumption we'd get someone with a fresh slate in DA 3.

I thought the marketing slogan just meant that Hawke was going to be the most influential during the period the game encompassed. I think people read too much into it.

DLC would be fun, though. I'd buy it. They're usually cheap, anyway. Especially a larger one like Awakening would be nice to see. I hope your romance option is able to stay with you like Varric suggested, though. I know epilogues are just "rumor", but it would be nice if they did this time.

What about Mass Effect?  It always follows the story of Sheppard succesfully and even though you import your character with looks etc, you still start skills anew and have the option to change class.  It worked, they'd just need a clever enough reason for why you'd be starting a new skill branch again.

[Wee Joe Green]

Foolsfolly wrote...

The Hawke legacy will be blurry and mostly unspoken. They're not even sure what Hawke's name and gender were.

PEOPLE! Why have you all no faith in your character?!  He was The Champion of Kirkwall.  I don't know about how you played your games, but my character was a strong, loyal and good man throughout, who sought to put the needs of others before himself.  He made a name for himself, then went on to extinguish the threat of the Qunari, took on their most powerful leader in open one on one battle, then stood at the fore-front of the battle between mages and templars whilst defending their lives and his party's, leading them into battle and taking down Meredith who was the biggest threat to the City.  He inspired those to rise against with him and he is a symbol for the people.

What's not heroic or important about these events??

Modifié par Wee Joe Green, 10 avril 2011 - 12:40 .

[Darth Krytie]

Wee Joe Green wrote...

PEOPLE! Why have you all no faith in your character?!  He was The Champion of Kirkwall.  I don't know about how you played your games, but my character was a strong, loyal and good man throughout, who sought to put the needs of others before himself.  He made a name for himself, then went on to extinguish the threat of the Qunari, took on their most powerful leader in open one on one battle, then stood at the fore-front of the battle between mages and templars whilst defending their lives and his party's, leading them into battle and taking down Meredith who was the biggest threat to the City.  He inspired those to rise against with him and he is a symbol for the people.

What's not heroic or important about these events??

I really like the way you think. That someone else, theoretically, could do those things and that somehow, theoretically, those things could have still happened does not negate the fact that it was Hawke who actually did it. It's about perception. The people of Thedas have perceived Hawke as vastly important, ergo he was.

[wright1978]

Personally I'd like to see Hawke back for the third installment. Have him shipwrecked and washed ashore on a beach weak as a kitten. Then you have to rebuild him a bit like in Mass Effect 2. If his story is going to be wrapped up in DLC then i just hope they invest the money to make it really top notch not just a series of side quests to tide people over. Got to have continued character development and new companion dialogue added.

[ChellyTots]

The DLC I'd really like to see would be pure companion ones. At the end of the story Varric says how all your friends dispersed (bar your LI), it would be nice to go and have a check-up on all of them, see what they get up too - do a few quests for them. It would also give Bioware the chance to add some new areas/cities into the game, along with new companion dailogue. The chosen LI could even pop a few quests to Hawke so you don't miss out on theirs too, that way we get new quests, areas and extra romance.

I guess the difficulty in this sort of DLC being Hawkes decisions through the story though - companions could have been lost or killed. For a ruthless Hawke who lost most of them, you wouldn't be getting as much as someone who saved everyone without a seperate full playthrough.

I think I'd be happy with any DLC that featured Hawke and current companions, but didn't elaborate any more on the story. Something extra for the fans, but not necessary to the sequal.

[ThePasserby]

DLC sales is always a percentage of the main game's sales. Very unlikely for a DLC to equal the main game in sales. So, whether there will be DLCs to continue DA2's story depends on the sales figures. I think the numbers aren't as good as Bioware/EA expected. If it is true, they might not make any DLC and start planning on DA 3 instead, with a new protagonist.

[Wee Joe Green]

ChellyTots wrote...

The DLC I'd really like to see would be pure companion ones. At the end of the story Varric says how all your friends dispersed (bar your LI), it would be nice to go and have a check-up on all of them, see what they get up too - do a few quests for them. It would also give Bioware the chance to add some new areas/cities into the game, along with new companion dailogue. The chosen LI could even pop a few quests to Hawke so you don't miss out on theirs too, that way we get new quests, areas and extra romance.

I guess the difficulty in this sort of DLC being Hawkes decisions through the story though - companions could have been lost or killed. For a ruthless Hawke who lost most of them, you wouldn't be getting as much as someone who saved everyone without a seperate full playthrough.

I think I'd be happy with any DLC that featured Hawke and current companions, but didn't elaborate any more on the story. Something extra for the fans, but not necessary to the sequal.

This wouldn't necessarily be too difficult.  The only ones who are untouchable are Sebastian (who was dlc anyway) and Anders.  As regardless how you play, you have to make the decision one way or another between them.  Sebastian draws the line that either you kill Anders or lose him.  So Anders could be dead, or if he's not, Sebastian isn't in the group anymore.  Personally, a Sebastian revenge quest against Anders would be good to hear about in retrospect in the new game or a further iteration down the line.  It annoyed me that he said "there's no way he's getting away with it and mark my words I'll kill him" etc, but he forces you to kill him.  I wouldn't have stood in his way had he sought to take revenge on the one who killed someone he loved, I could have understood and empathised with this.  But I wasn't going to be the one to take his life, I didn't believe I, who had previously been his friend, had the right to take his life and play the executioner.  That was for the people to decide or those who sought justice (ironic).  It would have been good to have had an option to allow Sebastian to kill him, similar to allowing Alistair to kill Loghain.  It didn't make sense that this wasn't an option based on the choice of words Bioware made by Sebastian.

[Fallstar]

Can I have a link to that interview where Mike talks about DA:3 please?
Cheers

[Ross42899]

At first they should just throw in some DLC (additional quests with new unique locations) which takes place during the main story line of DA2 [could fill some plot holes/years which are not actually seen during DA2].
With one or two "filling" DLC released they should release some DLC which bridge the gap to DA3 (pretty much like they did with ME2: Overlord/Kasumi during the main stroy line, LotSB/Arrival after main story line)

[Asguardwolf]

DLC, could be so many things like the years between chapters, anders escaping the wardens to kirkwall, your rule and eventual leaving of kirkwall for lands unknown (if you choose templars), you on the run from templars eventually leading you to be saved by Flem again (if you choose mages). So many possibilities and looking forward to them all.

[Fallstar]

I want a chance to kill Flemeth again. I'm still extremely annoyed she came back. In fact, though I think that Hawke is quite an interesting character, I can't get over the fact that he is the one who brings Flemeth back. As a matter of fact, I'd like my Warden at the end of Witch Hunt to kill Flemeth again. Hopefully this time he'll be powerful enough to make it final. (In case you didn't realise, I don't like Flemeth; she's too random and we don't know enough about her, which would be alright if she wasn't capable of turning into a high dragon at will. As you do.)

[nightscrawl]

TJPags wrote...

To my mind, Hawke was a bystander during the events leading to the mage war, not integral to it. I also feel that this story is over . . the mage war started, we know how.

That may be true, but if the Champion and the Warden weren't important in some way, the Seekers wouldn't be trying to find them.

As for choosing which DLC to buy, I'm with you there. I also looked at each one separately. If it involved the Warden or was an addendum to the actual Origins game (ie Return to Ostagar) I bought it. Sorry Leliana fans, I found her annoying and didn't want to play as her in her DLC. Neither did I want to do the battle of Amaranthine from the Darkspawn POV. It didn't concern my Warden or her story-line.

Also, I certainly hope any extra content they make concerning Hawke has included whomever s/he romanced. I was sorely disappointed with the treatment of Alistair in Awakening xD.