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[TJPags]

nightscrawl wrote...

TJPags wrote...

To my mind, Hawke was a bystander during the events leading to the mage war, not integral to it. I also feel that this story is over . . the mage war started, we know how.

That may be true, but if the Champion and the Warden weren't important in some way, the Seekers wouldn't be trying to find them.

As for choosing which DLC to buy, I'm with you there. I also looked at each one separately. If it involved the Warden or was an addendum to the actual Origins game (ie Return to Ostagar) I bought it. Sorry Leliana fans, I found her annoying and didn't want to play as her in her DLC. Neither did I want to do the battle of Amaranthine from the Darkspawn POV. It didn't concern my Warden or her story-line.

Also, I certainly hope any extra content they make concerning Hawke has included whomever s/he romanced. I was sorely disappointed with the treatment of Alistair in Awakening xD.

Very true.  But as we learn in game as Cassandra talks to Varric, she thought that Hawke had planned the whole thing - that Hawke came to Kirkwall with some kind of agenda.  This is likely why she was looking for him.

As she learns, as Varric tells her, and as we who played the game know, Hawke never had any agenda - Hawke was running from Darkspawn, and trying to get stability.  He never came to Kirkwall with the intention of toppling the Chantry, or slaughtering the mages there.

So, in essence, Cassandra was looking for Hawke because she had incorrect information.

[greyman33]

You know what's kind of sad, is that I really don't give a crap about what happened to Hawke after game's end and would be happy to never have to deal with the character again. I just didn't feel any kind of connection to the character at all. And this is after multiple playthoughs with each class, supporting both sides (I was curious if the writing for one side vs the other would make a difference, it didn't).

As such, I really don't feel the need to revisit this guy's life. I sat through and watched things play out in front of this person, I'm done with it. I'd rather maybe see some DLC for this game that goes deeper into the characters of, say, Merril and Orsino, either in the distant past, or during the time between the Blight and the start of their battle. Or maybe something else that really fleshes out the aftermath of the battle in Kirkwall, how the uprising spread, something like that.

Wherever the DLC goes, I really just hope they let Hawke behind and put him out of my misery.

But that's just me.

[jcp234]

I'd like to see Hawke's story properly ended before dragon age 3. Many posters have already pointed out DA2's many problems so I won't restate the obvious, but Hawke pails in comparison to the Warden from Dragon Age Origins.

Hopefully, Bioware can change my opinion of Hawke and the story of Dragon Age 2 with downloadable content...but I'm really not looking forward to playing as Hawke in Dragon Age 3. I've played through DA2 once and stopped midway through my second play through. I'll try giving it another run through once the patch is released.

[sephiroth199127]

I'm still kinda lost on what Hawke did that was so impacting, It seemed like he was just their for the events of Act 3 and in the end the whole thing seems to have the same ending. A large expansion would be nice as the hour long short ones have been not up to stuff.

[Wee Joe Green]

SirLogical wrote...

Can I have a link to that interview where Mike talks about DA:3 please?
Cheers

Not as easy to track down the full thing now, but here's what I could find bud:

http://www.eurogamer...re-always-ideas

[nightscrawl]

TJPags wrote...

So, in essence, Cassandra was looking for Hawke because she had incorrect information.

That may be the reason that leads her to Varric, but it's not the reason she is looking for the Champion. When Varric finishes telling the story she says that she wants to find the Champion because s/he was there at the start of this whole mess, that the mages/templars will listen to him/her because of that, and something has to be done to end this conflict. Varric then responds that he wishes he could help, but in fact has no idea where the Champion is.

Given the following scene we see with Leliana, that may be only half-truth, but it's the reason she gives Varric.

greyman33 wrote...

You know what's kind of sad, is that I
really don't give a crap about what happened to Hawke after game's end
and would be happy to never have to deal with the character again. I
just didn't feel any kind of connection to the character at all.

Did you feel a connection to your Warden when you played Origins? If so, it just seems odd to me, since the characters/personalities were developed in the same way, through dialogue options. The chief difference is that Hawke starts out the same way, no matter your choice, rather than having an unique background story to play through that helps you get into the game. I can see how this would be a hindrance to character attachment =/.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 12 avril 2011 - 12:19 .

[Wee Joe Green]

*Spoiler*
Above, "Given the following scene we see with Leliana, that may be only half-truth, but it's the reason she gives Varric."

What do you mean by this? Why would what Leliana said make it a half-truth? Do you mean because she said both the Hero(Warden) and the Champion(Hawke) are missing?

Has anyone considered this could just be a convenient reason and explanation for why Hawke/Warden won't be the payable character in DA3?

Also:
"Did you feel a connection to your Warden when you played Origins? If so, it just seems odd to me, since the characters/personalities were developed in the same way, through dialogue options. The chief difference is that Hawke starts out the same way, no matter your choice, rather than having an unique background story to play through that helps you get into the game"

You're forgetting the fact was also a fully voiced character. This always helps the immersion in the character too, in associating with their tone, mannerisms, personality etc.

[Jackal Inna Hat]

I would prefer to see future installments of the Dragon Age series focused around Hawke. The more branches they put on the story, the less focused it will be on the interesting, captivating details and the less immersing the game itself will be.

Some say, "I didn't like Hawke." Hawke is really just a voice and a race, as so much of him/her is up to the player. If you didn't like the character, then maybe you should have put more effort into the vast customization options.

[themonty72]

I like my Hawk better than my warden.Its good to hear Hawk story will continue. Looking forward for DLCs and expansion. I hope it give players some closure about the ending.

[Korusus]

I'm completely fine with Hawke's story being wrapped up in DLC. I find the character to be loathesome, no matter what personality is picked. In the end his role in events was exaggerated...therefore not actually the most important person in Thedas, just the ultimate poseur.

Someone said it in the thread, but it's worth reiterating. Hawke is everything Shepard isn't. Shepard (paragon or renegade) takes action, has a goal, is a badass, takes charge etc. Hawke is a victim, oblivious to events around him, a self-involved, lucky right-place-right-time character that lacks motivation, reason for being, or direction. He doesn't even set out to be wealthy and powerful, he just falls into it bass-ackwards.

Better for Dragon Age to remain what Dragon Age is: the story of Thedas. No Warden, no Hawke...new protagonist.

Side note: Regardless of what BioWare's original intent was concerning Hawke and his being the future protagonist of the series, I think Dragon Age 2's generally poor reception will have an enormous effect on his returning or not returning. BioWare has obviously proven before that they have no problem throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

[Huntress]

I like hawke alot and I know DA3 will have a new character, but, my hawke did participate in the templar/mage war, she sided with mages to help them or to finish the chantry/templar tyranny impossed over them.
Conflict is going to be great, alot more stories for varric to talk about! Of course I want DLC to add that neither X character died and just varric lieying about it, I know is fools dream but.. me like.hehe

About the DLC. it should keep adding to this, of course like so many others have asked, ALLow us to play with OUR Li's in the expantion please, this is not the warden.

[Commander Absol]

I liked Hawke, the warden just felt like an empty shell. But I am excited to see there's a new character. I felt a HUGE connection with Shepard on Mass Effect, one I just don't get from Dragon Age. Regardless, I'm still curious as to what happened to Hawke. I want to know what happened to the warden, too...

[ElMurdoc]

I really want to know what happend to hawke and to the warden, but i dont want to, that bioware make them as companions or npcs, because the will not be, my hawke or my warden, the will act as they think.

And how they will import my warden to da3 when from dao to da2 just import information but not character.

one way is to play with the three, for times, like first act you create a new hero, then you play the warden comander, then hawke and, then return to you hero for the rest of the game. and then you have one cinematografic scene where the three meets, (but for this the game has to import the two saves from the two games) or something like that

sorry for my english

[Bekkael]

themonty72 wrote...

I like my Hawk better than my warden.Its good to hear Hawk story will continue. Looking forward for DLCs and expansion. I hope it give players some closure about the ending.

That was my hope last year as well. So much for closure with Hawke.

Honestly, I will be surprised if there is much reference at all to the Warden or Hawke in the next game. If there is, I will just count it as bonus.