Would it be possible for Shep to have an interspecies child? I know it's possible with the Asari, but I want to know if it is possible with a Turian or Drell.
Interspecies Child
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Posté 10 avril 2011 - 03:39
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It is not with asari. Any child you produce with an asari is 100% asari. Therefore it isn't related to you in any way. Even the supposed personality imprints are bunk as is stated by numerous characters in game and the codex.
You sure as hell can't have a child with anyone else. You'd have more luck screwing a dog or a sea sponge.
You sure as hell can't have a child with anyone else. You'd have more luck screwing a dog or a sea sponge.
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Posté 10 avril 2011 - 03:41
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Turian, definitely not: their DNA is fundamentally different on such a huge scale it's crazy. There are... jokes about that in game.
And Asari-human children aren't actually "part human," really, in that they don't have any human DNA, it's just that the human helps decide what Asari DNA gets used. So while they can have kids together, it isn't the typical "half breed" thing you see on Star Trek.
I'd seriously doubt that any true interspecies breeding is possible, outside of the Asari technicality You can always adopt though, there are some CDN articles about Asari pop stars adopting Turian orphans.
And Asari-human children aren't actually "part human," really, in that they don't have any human DNA, it's just that the human helps decide what Asari DNA gets used. So while they can have kids together, it isn't the typical "half breed" thing you see on Star Trek.
I'd seriously doubt that any true interspecies breeding is possible, outside of the Asari technicality You can always adopt though, there are some CDN articles about Asari pop stars adopting Turian orphans.
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Posté 10 avril 2011 - 03:43
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damn biology always getting in the way of...stuff....
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Posté 10 avril 2011 - 03:45
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Infinite Legend wrote...
damn biology always getting in the way of...stuff....
No no, "stuff" is still quite possible.
Ain't nothin' gettin' in the way of "stuff".
CONSEQUENCES of "stuff" now, THAT'S a whole 'nother issue.
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Posté 10 avril 2011 - 03:46
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No. Glorified barnyard fun results in no offspring.
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Posté 10 avril 2011 - 03:52
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The only time you can get alien hybrids is if, in your SF world, the different "species" are actually offshoots of the same species, isolated for a while, but not for long enough to actually truly become separate.
There's evidence recently that humans interbred with Neanderthals, before those went extinct. So in a universe where humanity settled the galaxy and then got separated, only to rediscover space travel and meet up with other humans who had developed independently for a while.. in those cases it can work sometimes. Not really aliens then though, I suppose.
There's evidence recently that humans interbred with Neanderthals, before those went extinct. So in a universe where humanity settled the galaxy and then got separated, only to rediscover space travel and meet up with other humans who had developed independently for a while.. in those cases it can work sometimes. Not really aliens then though, I suppose.
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Posté 10 avril 2011 - 04:00
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CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
The only time you can get alien hybrids is if, in your SF world, the different "species" are actually offshoots of the same species, isolated for a while, but not for long enough to actually truly become separate.
There's evidence recently that humans interbred with Neanderthals, before those went extinct. So in a universe where humanity settled the galaxy and then got separated, only to rediscover space travel and meet up with other humans who had developed independently for a while.. in those cases it can work sometimes. Not really aliens then though, I suppose.
This.
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Posté 10 avril 2011 - 04:06
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CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
There's evidence recently that humans interbred with Neanderthals
Ah yes, "the french", we have dismissed that claim.
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Posté 10 avril 2011 - 04:12
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Guys, this is the future. We have the technology.
Just to clarify, technolgy beats biology in the future.
Just to clarify, technolgy beats biology in the future.
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Posté 10 avril 2011 - 04:15
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Cheesy Blue wrote...
Guys, this is the future. We have the technology.
Just to clarify, technolgy beats biology in the future.
True, you might be able to clone a monster baby. It probably wouldn't be fertile, though - heck, Miranda's all human and she's sterile, from too much tinkering. And I'd like to see them try to genemod dextro and levo amino acids together. They can't even develop food we can both eat, having the DNA work together would be a comedy joke.
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Posté 10 avril 2011 - 04:19
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Randy1083 wrote...
Technology can't fix everything.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Therefore, any technology which is distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced!
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Posté 10 avril 2011 - 04:23
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Randy1083 wrote...
Technology can't fix everything.
Our current technology can't.
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Posté 10 avril 2011 - 05:09
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Mass Effect takes the levo vs dextro to the extreme. The idea that the food would cause allergic reactions in most cases is absurd. The only thing I can use to explain it is that the Turians and Quarians simply eat toxic food.
One of the main issues I have with the food thing is we can eat both L and D sugar without problems (we actually process D). I just can't see having so many issues with other food (especially since most food in the future is artificial I'm assuming) when there isn't any problems with the fundamental sugar.
One of the main issues I have with the food thing is we can eat both L and D sugar without problems (we actually process D). I just can't see having so many issues with other food (especially since most food in the future is artificial I'm assuming) when there isn't any problems with the fundamental sugar.
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Posté 10 avril 2011 - 05:11
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Hope not. That would be one ugly motherf*cker.NTsikuris wrote...
Would it be possible for Shep to have an interspecies child? I know it's possible with the Asari, but I want to know if it is possible with a Turian or Drell.
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Posté 10 avril 2011 - 05:15
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Nigawatts wrote...
Mass Effect takes the levo vs dextro to the extreme. The idea that the food would cause allergic reactions in most cases is absurd. The only thing I can use to explain it is that the Turians and Quarians simply eat toxic food.
One of the main issues I have with the food thing is we can eat both L and D sugar without problems (we actually process D). I just can't see having so many issues with other food (especially since most food in the future is artificial I'm assuming) when there isn't any problems with the fundamental sugar.
I think the issue is that, while most of the time it's completely harmless and lacks any nutrition, sometimes it causes problems, so it's better to be careful.
That said, I don't know the science between anything other than sugar, so it's pretty much all an elaborate joke.
Don't... ahem... ingest.
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Posté 10 avril 2011 - 05:15
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BillyD wrote...
CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
There's evidence recently that humans interbred with Neanderthals
Ah yes, "the french", we have dismissed that claim.
dear god, i'm laughing so hard my sides hurt.
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Posté 10 avril 2011 - 05:22
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CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
Nigawatts wrote...
Mass Effect takes the levo vs dextro to the extreme. The idea that the food would cause allergic reactions in most cases is absurd. The only thing I can use to explain it is that the Turians and Quarians simply eat toxic food.
One of the main issues I have with the food thing is we can eat both L and D sugar without problems (we actually process D). I just can't see having so many issues with other food (especially since most food in the future is artificial I'm assuming) when there isn't any problems with the fundamental sugar.
I think the issue is that, while most of the time it's completely harmless and lacks any nutrition, sometimes it causes problems, so it's better to be careful.
That said, I don't know the science between anything other than sugar, so it's pretty much all an elaborate joke.
Don't... ahem... ingest.
I am more than a little tempted to create a FemShep after that, just to see what other truly farking hilarious lines I've missed.
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Posté 10 avril 2011 - 05:27
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Gentleman Moogle wrote...
CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
Nigawatts wrote...
Mass Effect takes the levo vs dextro to the extreme. The idea that the food would cause allergic reactions in most cases is absurd. The only thing I can use to explain it is that the Turians and Quarians simply eat toxic food.
One of the main issues I have with the food thing is we can eat both L and D sugar without problems (we actually process D). I just can't see having so many issues with other food (especially since most food in the future is artificial I'm assuming) when there isn't any problems with the fundamental sugar.
I think the issue is that, while most of the time it's completely harmless and lacks any nutrition, sometimes it causes problems, so it's better to be careful.
That said, I don't know the science between anything other than sugar, so it's pretty much all an elaborate joke.
Don't... ahem... ingest.
I am more than a little tempted to create a FemShep after that, just to see what other truly farking hilarious lines I've missed.
Garrus Romance is pretty much nothing but jokes, except for one moment at the end, Thane's is serious, Jacob's is... unintentionally hilarious and horribly disconcerting. Seriously though, if you haven't looked up all the Mordin sex talks, you should do yourself a favor and do it.
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Posté 10 avril 2011 - 05:36
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Garshepbaby: kiiiiiillllll meeeeeeeeCulturalGeekGirl wrote...
Cheesy Blue wrote...
Guys, this is the future. We have the technology.
Just to clarify, technolgy beats biology in the future.
True, you might be able to clone a monster baby. It probably wouldn't be fertile, though - heck, Miranda's all human and she's sterile, from too much tinkering. And I'd like to see them try to genemod dextro and levo amino acids together. They can't even develop food we can both eat, having the DNA work together would be a comedy joke.
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Posté 10 avril 2011 - 05:41
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No.
A bit scientific background:
First, I have to mention that the biological definition of a species requires "reproductive isolation". So if two species can successfully mate, and produce fertile offspring, they aren't two species, but one and the same (horses and donkeys are still separate species, because their offspring is sterile ... but they are so similar that they can at least produce offspring in the first place).
You have to consider, that the karyotype (the shape and number of chromosomes) will be vastly different between the species (hell, we don't even know if turians or quarians have even remotely similar chromosomes). The similarity between the karytypes has to be very high so that a healthy zygote can form (the fertilizied egg with two sets of each gene). Which leads to another problem: The vastly different gene-pool. Turians and quarians have genes we don't and vice versa, but the effect of a gene is often determined by the amount of gene-product produced. In humans for example, one of the two X chromosomes in women is shut off, because the dosage of one X chromosome is optimal (the other X chromosome can function as a backup system). What if a turian needs both chromosomes functional for a specific gene? The possibility for the zygote to receive both turian chromosomes needed is very, very slim (unless you completely design the baby from bits and pieces of mother and father
... but that still leaves many problems open, see below).
All of this hasn't even taken into account, that turians and quarians have right-handed DNA-helices, whereas humans have left-handed helices ... that's quite a problem to solve.
You also have to consider all the genes necessary for the embryo to develop correctly (the right cell divisions at the right time ... if anything goes wrong here, the child dies with a high probability during pregnancy or is terribly disabled afterwards). There are so many more variables to this matter.
If it works, this would be the most probable outcome:
A bit scientific background:
First, I have to mention that the biological definition of a species requires "reproductive isolation". So if two species can successfully mate, and produce fertile offspring, they aren't two species, but one and the same (horses and donkeys are still separate species, because their offspring is sterile ... but they are so similar that they can at least produce offspring in the first place).
You have to consider, that the karyotype (the shape and number of chromosomes) will be vastly different between the species (hell, we don't even know if turians or quarians have even remotely similar chromosomes). The similarity between the karytypes has to be very high so that a healthy zygote can form (the fertilizied egg with two sets of each gene). Which leads to another problem: The vastly different gene-pool. Turians and quarians have genes we don't and vice versa, but the effect of a gene is often determined by the amount of gene-product produced. In humans for example, one of the two X chromosomes in women is shut off, because the dosage of one X chromosome is optimal (the other X chromosome can function as a backup system). What if a turian needs both chromosomes functional for a specific gene? The possibility for the zygote to receive both turian chromosomes needed is very, very slim (unless you completely design the baby from bits and pieces of mother and father
... but that still leaves many problems open, see below). All of this hasn't even taken into account, that turians and quarians have right-handed DNA-helices, whereas humans have left-handed helices ... that's quite a problem to solve.
You also have to consider all the genes necessary for the embryo to develop correctly (the right cell divisions at the right time ... if anything goes wrong here, the child dies with a high probability during pregnancy or is terribly disabled afterwards). There are so many more variables to this matter.
If it works, this would be the most probable outcome:
Garshepbaby: kiiiiiillllll meeeeeeee
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Posté 10 avril 2011 - 05:47
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Mesina2 wrote...
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Aww man... I was going to post the "How about no? You crazy Dutch bastard" clip.
But seriously, terrible idea. A grim reminder of the terrible days when the 'talimancers' were much more active.
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Posté 10 avril 2011 - 05:48
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Not necessarily. Toxins such as various venoms are often made from proteins. It's not too far fetch for an amino acid chain with opposite chirality to potentially have a shape and organization of potential active sites or hydrogen bonding regions which could fool, interact with, and possibly break "normal" proteins. Thus, perhaps the d-amino acid form of, say Insulin, could potentially be a deadly toxin. Protein function is determined by shape and chemical properties in any active sites, as well as the organization of chemically different areas of the protein. Reversing the chirality adds another layer of complexity to that.Nigawatts wrote...
Mass Effect takes the levo vs dextro to the extreme. The idea that the food would cause allergic reactions in most cases is absurd. The only thing I can use to explain it is that the Turians and Quarians simply eat toxic food.
Add to that that we don't have any enzymes for breaking peptide bonds between amino acids of opposite chirality (that I am aware of) because they wouldn't fit any active sites, and it becomes more complex. At best case, there is simply no interaction and they pass through the system. Moderately bad case is they provoke an immune response by being so foreign. Add to this that the immune system can't necessarily break them down, and you could have a rather severe allergic reaction, even if the molecules themselves are harmless. Worst case is their chemical properties actually do make them toxins.
Sure, our digestive systems don't have trouble with mixed chiralities of sugars, but there are no complex proteins in our environment with opposite chirality, so it is unknown how well our digestive systems could handle that. That big unknown is where Bioware has free license to posit that foods of opposite chirality are toxic.
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