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[CulturalGeekGirl]

bobobo878 wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

StarGateGod wrote...

Whoo71 wrote...

StarGateGod wrote...

i love how everyone assumes we cant have children with aliens.
Excuse how do you people know this?

Thymine cannot bind to Guanine.
Adenine cannot bind to Cytosine.
Guanine and cytosine cannot bind to uracil.

Thymine, Guanine, Cytosine, Adenine, and uracil cannot bind to any other unknown amino acids that aliens may have in their DNA. Tis basic biology. Sure bio-engineering is possible, but the physical defects that would result wouldn't be worth it.

until we meet aliens we wont know what there dna is. Again stop making rash judgements

Actually it is specified that Turians and Quarians have funamentally different DNA, with amino acids mirrored in the other direction, so it cannot possibly bind with ours. This is in the codex.

well, not necessarily.  scientists already have the technology to sequence entire genomes and even write their own.  I wouldn't be surprised if they had the technology to sequence a strand of DNA and create a strand with opposite chilarity within a decade.

True. But I don't think it could happen "by accident." I noted the possibility of genemods further up.

Also, your earlier explanation as to how it could be accomplished is entirely plausible.

[johnbonhamatron]

I apologise for this slightly squicky (but devastatingly accurate) analogy, but... you can't mate with a lettuce, so why would you be be able to mate with an alien that's separated by light years, and a COMPLETELY different set of evolutionary constraints, that may very well have a biology completely unlike anything on Earth?

EDIT:
And no, them being humanoid (if they even were) doesn't count, as obvious phenotypical similarities do NOT imply the same genotype or, necessarily, that they have genes.

Modifié par johnbonhamatron, 11 avril 2011 - 03:05 .

[AntenDS]

Arcian wrote...
The problem with this line of thinking is that even on Earth where all living things are basically related to each other, life is so diverse that species cannot mate outside their own genus (the second lowest taxonomic rank), let alone inside. Even with those who can mate inside their own genus (horses and horse-like animals such as donkeys and zebras), the offspring is most often born sterile (if male) and sometimes with certain defects that cause the animals to die very early into infanthood.

Well if most people have problems with stem cell research and cloneing being ethical.   I doubt enough effort would be put into breeding horses and zerbras effectively.  So no DNA splicing anytime soon.

[Kusy]

I think I heard something... it was the whole Kirkwall Qunari compound saying NO.

[Destroy Raiden_]

Yeah the whole we can breed with aliens is like saying a cat can breed with a dog if you just tweak the dna in a lab somewhere imagine not just the look of the animal but the health of it would be in dire straights. Remember that sheep they cloned and made it have it's clones? Well turns out the original is dying if not dead by now the cloning process really messed it up. And those poor puppies who had fish glow in the dark stuff put into them they keep dying but the scientist keep trying they want to make the first ever see through glow in the dark dog so whats a few hundred puppy deaths if they can just get one right?

[Destroy Raiden_]

AntenDS wrote...

Arcian wrote...
The problem with this line of thinking is that even on Earth where all living things are basically related to each other, life is so diverse that species cannot mate outside their own genus (the second lowest taxonomic rank), let alone inside. Even with those who can mate inside their own genus (horses and horse-like animals such as donkeys and zebras), the offspring is most often born sterile (if male) and sometimes with certain defects that cause the animals to die very early into infanthood.

Well if most people have problems with stem cell research and cloneing being ethical.   I doubt enough effort would be put into breeding horses and zerbras effectively.  So no DNA splicing anytime soon.

20 bucks says someone is going to get on here and say, " But it's the future! Anything is possible in the future!  They bought shep back didn't they so they can surely make a drell x humanoid baby!"

So far the only thing I heard of we can breed with now other then humans are greys and supposedly those kids are fugly imagine said little grey image with very thin hair like you'd find on a skeleton nearly defleshed and paper looking skin that usually is a sick type of mustard color and not all the kids survive being born there was one case were someone claimed they got show their dying baby. But then again the greys could just be demons in disguise sense they're no longer allowed to take human form and screw with us!

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 11 avril 2011 - 04:31 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

Yeah the whole we can breed with aliens is like saying a cat can breed with a dog if you just tweak the dna in a lab somewhere imagine not just the look of the animal but the health of it would be in dire straights. Remember that sheep they cloned and made it have it's clones? Well turns out the original is dying if not dead by now the cloning process really messed it up. And those poor puppies who had fish glow in the dark stuff put into them they keep dying but the scientist keep trying they want to make the first ever see through glow in the dark dog so whats a few hundred puppy deaths if they can just get one right?

Nobody's gonna take that $20 bet, because we're in a universe with Faster Than Light travel. All "bets" are "off" as the kids say.

Bear in mind that, logically and rationally, I believe the answer to "Species interbreeding?" is "no." However, I'm hesitant to ever say "100% no" when it comes to science. Bear in mind that in this universe, we have flippin FTL. FTL people! The impossiblest of impossibilities.

So yeah, it would take millennia to research and probably result in millions of failures, but what science worth doing doesn't? Eh?

Also, theoretically, with a sufficiently advanced understand of DNA, we could make genes do anything we wanted. We could make giant living ships, animals whose skin can withstand a vacuum, sentient beings smaller than a thimble. I mean genes are kind of a blueprint used to construct stuff. Hell, we may even eventually be able to make something that uses the principles of DNA, but instead of proteins, it uses polymers of some kind, or metallic alloys! How will this work? I dunno, but it's about as feasible as FTL. Some theoretical molecular nanofactories do this. Would this even technically still be genetics at this point? Who knows anything, it's the future!

So yeah, sure, if you want to say we've completely and totally mastered genetics, we might be able to make something happen. But I'd believe laser eyes and telekinesis before I'd believe inter-species breed-

What? We already have telekinesis. Hmmm.

No, no, still have to see the laser eyes first. There needs to be a natural progression here.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 11 avril 2011 - 04:39 .

[Liec]

The codex states it's possible to create hybrids with non-human species as long as they're "compatible". It's illegal though, and I doubt it will ever come up in-game.

[Katamariguy]

The words "Please... kill... me..." come to mind.

[Pups_of_war_76]

No.

[Ship.wreck_]

Negative not possible to reproduce with non humans. I mean the most similar life to humans in the universe is obviously going to be anything from Earth. And that doesn't work thank god, so it's sure as hell not going to work with anything from any other planet.

As for the whole Asari thing, Asari characters are constantly talking about how they don't "MATE" with other species. They're CONSTANTLY talking about how they only take a small amount of genetic material from other species to randomize the Asari gene pool. Problem is that taking genetic material from one individual in any amount and mixing it with genetic material of another individual to "randomize" the gene pool of the next generation... IS MATING! That literally is the definition of sexual reproduction!

It might not be in the traditional sense where half of the genes of the next gen comes from each parent. Apearently Asari intigrate so small an amount of alien dna into their offspring that alien physical traits NEVER show up in the offspring. They all still look like Asari. But the fact that ANY dna from the other parent is in the offspring at all means that they really are mating in a normal way. Just using less DNA than is given to them for the purpose haha!

So the whole we're not mating we're just randomizing thing doesn't make any sense. Appearently Bioware was sleeping in biology class... wow I just realized how ironic that is! Haha! Oh well, I just ignore the Asari when they say that.

[Mylene]

my stomach cant take it

[Valikdu]

Ya know, I haven't rolled my eyes so hard since I had that demonic possession.

[Mylene]

StarGateGod wrote...

i love how everyone assumes we cant have children with aliens.
Excuse how do you people know this?
We have yet to have contact with aliens, so until that day comes you DONT KNOW if we can or can not have children.
So talimancers keep loving tali and get her prego

i love how you assume we can have children with aliens.
we have yet to produce a cat-dog-baby,so until that day comes you dont know if we can or can not have children with aliens.
so talimancers keep dreaming of geting her prego

[Dean_the_Young]

The amount of exterior re-engineering required more or less disqualifies the term 'breeding', as in a natural result of two people ****ing, and it would certainly break the species-identifier to let the child qualify as 'interspecies.'

It wouldn't be Shepard's DNA making Tali pregnant. It wouldn't even be Human DNA: it would, at best, be Shepard's love juice being replaced by some man-handled/manufactured Quarian sperm that has less similarity to Shepard than the average house cat.

[Gabey5]

uhh gross

[Seboist]

My Femshep would have romanced Garrus for his personality but then she thought about receiving his literal "boner" during love making.... *shudders*.

[ObserverStatus]

On the quarian homeworld, there are no organisms with immune systems potent enough to adapt to alien worlds, so i wouldn't be surprised if they used alien dna to improve their immune systems.

[Aedan_Cousland]

StarGateGod wrote...

i love how everyone assumes we cant have children with aliens.
Excuse how do you people know this?
We have yet to have contact with aliens, so until that day comes you DONT KNOW if we can or can not have children.
So talimancers keep loving tali and get her prego

WE DO KNOW THIS.

It is basic biology.

Different species generally can not mate with each other. The rare exceptions are species that are very closely related to each other, like Tigers and Lions or Horses and Donkeys.  These species however, have a common ancestor recently in their evolutionary history. This would not be the case with humans and Quarians.

A species that evolved on another planet with no relation whatsoever to life on Earth, would not be able to reproduce sexually with humans. It would be physically impossible for Tali to have a baby with Shepard.

[Bad King]

NTsikuris wrote...

Would it be possible for Shep to have an interspecies child? I know it's possible with the Asari, but I want to know if it is possible with a Turian or Drell.

Not possible naturally.

[Dean_the_Young]

Hey, if we're going to go into the plausibility of inter-species childmaking...

http://social.biowar...21679/3#6866498

[AlexMBrennan]

Yes, let's start an argument about a tangentially related topic here since there isn't enough fan dumb yet.

Someone answered the OP satisfactorily on the first page: Since species is (OED) defined as a group of individuals who can interbreed it follows by definition than an interspecies union cannot possibly result in offspring.
Edit: Based on the (not unreasonable) assumption that aliens are not just a subspecies.

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 11 avril 2011 - 06:50 .

[Gentleman Moogle]

Evolutionally speaking, it's a miracle that all the parts line up correctly.

Advice? Enjoy the win.

[Merchant2006]

Sajuro wrote...

Garshepbaby: kiiiiiillllll meeeeeeee