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#101
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Arcian wrote...

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i love how everyone assumes we cant have children with aliens.
Excuse how do you people know this?
We have yet to have contact with aliens, so until that day comes you DONT KNOW if we can or can not have children.
So talimancers keep loving tali and get her prego

This is a very reasonable way to think if you're not very familiar with how biology works.

The problem with this line of thinking is that even on Earth where all living things are basically related to each other, life is so diverse that species cannot mate outside their own genus (the second lowest taxonomic rank), let alone inside. Even with those who can mate inside their own genus (horses and horse-like animals such as donkeys and zebras), the offspring is most often born sterile (if male) and sometimes with certain defects that cause the animals to die very early into infanthood.

That's why the idea of hybrid breeding between alien species separated by hundred or thousands of light years is completely unthinkable. Since species on earth can't mate outside their own genus, the idea of humans breeding with lifeforms that developed light years away on a different planet with a completely separate taxonomic hierarchy is impossible.

I hope this helped you to understand how it works.


You were much more kinder than I would have been, and this is coming from a big Tali fan. I salute you.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 11 avril 2011 - 08:49 .


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Humans can't produce children with Chimps who are our most closely related species and people here think we'd be able to do it with ALIENS? LOL!

And I'm also a Talimancer. :P

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StarGateGod wrote...

i love how everyone assumes we cant have children with aliens.
Excuse how do you people know this?
We have yet to have contact with aliens, so until that day comes you DONT KNOW if we can or can not have children.
So talimancers keep loving tali and get her prego


It's pretty easy to figure out actually. Chimps and humans share 98.5% similarity in genes and we can't even mate with them and their from our planet. Unless these aleins happen to also be human the likely hood we would be able to mate and breed off spring will be next to impossible.

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To be fair, Shep and whatever alien s/he ever decides to bond with doesn't have to have a child the normal way. Artificial impregnation (random alien donor in case of female alien, human if femshep), adoption, multiple options really.

However that errs on the side of fanfiction. I doubt it will be implemented in any way.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 11 avril 2011 - 09:08 .


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It is not with asari. Any child you produce with an asari is 100% asari. Therefore it isn't related to you in any way. Even the supposed personality imprints are bunk as is stated by numerous characters in game and the codex.

You sure as hell can't have a child with anyone else. You'd have more luck screwing a dog or a sea sponge.


And yet, numerous times we see Asari that exhibit personality traits that their "fathers" had.  Make of that what you will.

As to the OP's question, I don't think it would work.  Chromosomes wouldn't match up, so I think it'd be impossible to get a viable embryo.

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jamesp81 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

It is not with asari. Any child you produce with an asari is 100% asari. Therefore it isn't related to you in any way. Even the supposed personality imprints are bunk as is stated by numerous characters in game and the codex.

You sure as hell can't have a child with anyone else. You'd have more luck screwing a dog or a sea sponge.


And yet, numerous times we see Asari that exhibit personality traits that their "fathers" had.  Make of that what you will.

As to the OP's question, I don't think it would work.  Chromosomes wouldn't match up, so I think it'd be impossible to get a viable embryo.


Eh, actually its pretty ambiguous, not direct proof. Take the Matriarch Aeythyta. She exhibits krogan behavior certaintly, but at the same time she was raised by a krogan herself. Other Asari that exhibit similar traits usually have "Fathers" that live just long enough to influence them somewhat.

So really, while I like the idea of the Asari children taking personality traits, it is still not proven with any certainty.

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Nashiktal wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

It is not with asari. Any child you produce with an asari is 100% asari. Therefore it isn't related to you in any way. Even the supposed personality imprints are bunk as is stated by numerous characters in game and the codex.

You sure as hell can't have a child with anyone else. You'd have more luck screwing a dog or a sea sponge.


And yet, numerous times we see Asari that exhibit personality traits that their "fathers" had.  Make of that what you will.

As to the OP's question, I don't think it would work.  Chromosomes wouldn't match up, so I think it'd be impossible to get a viable embryo.


Eh, actually its pretty ambiguous, not direct proof. Take the Matriarch Aeythyta. She exhibits krogan behavior certaintly, but at the same time she was raised by a krogan herself. Other Asari that exhibit similar traits usually have "Fathers" that live just long enough to influence them somewhat.

So really, while I like the idea of the Asari children taking personality traits, it is still not proven with any certainty.


Yes, it could also be nurture vs nature.  Aethyta's Krogan traits might be exhibited just because she raised by a Krogan father, and thus learned Krogan ways as a child.

I have wondered though, since Asari map the genome of their partner during the melding, if they can incorporate traits from their partner without incorporating the actual DNA?  Science says that's unlikely.

In any case, other than the possible technicality with Asari, I don't see how interspecies children would be possible without genetically engineering one, and the result of that engineering probably wouldn't survive birth.  And if it did, it would hardly qualify as half human half whatever anymore, it'd be its own species.

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jamesp81 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

It is not with asari. Any child you produce with an asari is 100% asari. Therefore it isn't related to you in any way. Even the supposed personality imprints are bunk as is stated by numerous characters in game and the codex.

You sure as hell can't have a child with anyone else. You'd have more luck screwing a dog or a sea sponge.


And yet, numerous times we see Asari that exhibit personality traits that their "fathers" had.  Make of that what you will.

As to the OP's question, I don't think it would work.  Chromosomes wouldn't match up, so I think it'd be impossible to get a viable embryo.


Eh, actually its pretty ambiguous, not direct proof. Take the Matriarch Aeythyta. She exhibits krogan behavior certaintly, but at the same time she was raised by a krogan herself. Other Asari that exhibit similar traits usually have "Fathers" that live just long enough to influence them somewhat.

So really, while I like the idea of the Asari children taking personality traits, it is still not proven with any certainty.


It could also be nurture vs nature.  Yes, Aethyta demonstrates some Krogan traits.  What we don't know is if the melding encouraged that, or just the fact that she was raised by Krogan father caused her to learn Krogan ways as a child.

I have wondered though, since Asari map the genome of their partner during the melding, if they can incorporate traits from their partner without incorporating the actual DNA?  Science says that's unlikely.

In any case, other than the possible technicality with Asari, I don't see how interspecies children would be possible without genetically engineering one, and the result of that engineering probably wouldn't survive birth.  And if it did, it would hardly qualify as half human half whatever anymore, it'd be its own species.


I already listed possible scenerios. Unlikely due to the nature of the subject matter, and the events of ME3, but still possible for shep to have children, even if they may or may not to be oh his/her species.

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Jigero wrote...

StarGateGod wrote...

i love how everyone assumes we cant have children with aliens.
Excuse how do you people know this?
We have yet to have contact with aliens, so until that day comes you DONT KNOW if we can or can not have children.
So talimancers keep loving tali and get her prego


It's pretty easy to figure out actually. Chimps and humans share 98.5% similarity in genes and we can't even mate with them and their from our planet. Unless these aleins happen to also be human the likely hood we would be able to mate and breed off spring will be next to impossible.

actually yes human and chimps can mate and produce offspring, so ya

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StarGateGod wrote...

Jigero wrote...

StarGateGod wrote...

i love how everyone assumes we cant have children with aliens.
Excuse how do you people know this?
We have yet to have contact with aliens, so until that day comes you DONT KNOW if we can or can not have children.
So talimancers keep loving tali and get her prego


It's pretty easy to figure out actually. Chimps and humans share 98.5% similarity in genes and we can't even mate with them and their from our planet. Unless these aleins happen to also be human the likely hood we would be able to mate and breed off spring will be next to impossible.

actually yes human and chimps can mate and produce offspring, so ya


All cases of "human/chimp hybrids" I've heard of (which admittedly isn't many) are supported by evidence which is circumstantial at best.

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technoquarian wrote...

StarGateGod wrote...

Jigero wrote...

StarGateGod wrote...

i love how everyone assumes we cant have children with aliens.
Excuse how do you people know this?
We have yet to have contact with aliens, so until that day comes you DONT KNOW if we can or can not have children.
So talimancers keep loving tali and get her prego


It's pretty easy to figure out actually. Chimps and humans share 98.5% similarity in genes and we can't even mate with them and their from our planet. Unless these aleins happen to also be human the likely hood we would be able to mate and breed off spring will be next to impossible.

actually yes human and chimps can mate and produce offspring, so ya


All cases of "human/chimp hybrids" I've heard of (which admittedly isn't many) are supported by evidence which is circumstantial at best.

from what i understand there was one born in south florida

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jamesp81 wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...
Eh, actually its pretty ambiguous, not direct proof. Take the Matriarch Aeythyta. She exhibits krogan behavior certaintly, but at the same time she was raised by a krogan herself. Other Asari that exhibit similar traits usually have "Fathers" that live just long enough to influence them somewhat.

So really, while I like the idea of the Asari children taking personality traits, it is still not proven with any certainty.


Yes, it could also be nurture vs nature.  Aethyta's Krogan traits might be exhibited just because she raised by a Krogan father, and thus learned Krogan ways as a child.

I have wondered though, since Asari map the genome of their partner during the melding, if they can incorporate traits from their partner without incorporating the actual DNA?  Science says that's unlikely.

In any case, other than the possible technicality with Asari, I don't see how interspecies children would be possible without genetically engineering one, and the result of that engineering probably wouldn't survive birth.  And if it did, it would hardly qualify as half human half whatever anymore, it'd be its own species.



I have a theory about the Asari thing. I don't think they actually map their partner's genome, per se. I think it works a bit differently. Someone asked about Ardat-Yakshi, and why they only come from purebloods, and that gave me a clue as to how things could actually work.

Here is how it could work: the Asari contain a lot of genes, more than are expressed in them... they basically carry a bunch of alternate gene sets, related to previous ancestors, which acts as "junk" DNA until it's time for them to reproduce. Every time Humans reproduce, only about half of the parent's DNA is transmitted. What if the Asari have a few full or partial sets of Asari DNA, many of which are merely "inactive" and carried for use in reproductions? This also allows children to not be a direct clone of the mother, even if no genetic material is exchanged - the kid could be a combination of the mother, the great great grandmother, and an ancestor from 10,000 years ago.

There's one really bad Recessive gene, let's call it AY. So an Asari's genome could look like this:

OO OO
OT OT
OT OT
AY OT
OT TO

When the Asari mate with another species, the other species chooses which of the multitude of DNA the Asari carries is treated as "junk" and which is treated as "Expressed" DNA. The AY gene will only be chosen as an Expressed Gene if the other partner is also a carrier of the AY  gene. No race other than the Asari have that gene, so only mating with other Asari (and only with other Asari who are also carriers) produces the chance of an Ardat Yakshi.

This could be why purebloods are views as unpopular - when an alien is used to randomize expression, you'll get a better randomization. When another asari is used, genes currently expressed by both parents are more likely to be chosen. This means you're more likely to get double recessives, though it's not guaranteed. It's like some genetic disorders in humans - they are more likely to occur if members of a genetic group that has that particular recessive interbreed, rather than marrying outside their genetic group.

It could be that, in a population where Asari breed only with each other, AY and other genetic disorders are more common. It's similar to the proscription against marrying your second cousin - in reality, marrying your second cousin produces very little increased likelihood of genetic defect. It's marrying cousins over dozens and dozens of generations, like in Medieval Europe, that causes problems.

So the Asari may have noticed that AY became less common when they started using other species to breed, and so it quickly became taboo to mate with the same species - even if the risk isn't any higher on average. This is similar to the taboo against marrying cousins on earth, no matter how distant they are. Many very distant cousins (fourth cousins, third cousins twice removed, that kind of things) are actually no more likely to be genetically similar to you than a random stranger, but there's still a taboo against dating them. (There's a hilarious 30 Rock episode about this.) In reality, pureblood breeding is only dangerous for the tiny minority who have the AY gene (or other rare, recessive disorder genes), but since breeding with a non-Asari means there's no risk at all, the prejudice continues.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 11 avril 2011 - 11:04 .


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from what i understand there was one born in south florida

I'm sorry, but this is impossible.

Did you read my post earlier about how you cannot breed outside your own genus?

You see, humans belong to the genus named "******", hence our name, ****** Sapiens.

Chimpanzees belong to the genus Pan.

The reason why we share 98% genetic material with chimpanzees is because our genus, ******, and the chimpanzees genus, Pan, belongs to the same "Tribe", which is the third taxonomic rank above genus and species. This Tribe is called Hominini.

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Arcian wrote...

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from what i understand there was one born in south florida

I'm sorry, but this is impossible.

Did you read my post earlier about how you cannot breed outside your own genus?

You see, humans belong to the genus named "******", hence our name, ****** Sapiens.

Chimpanzees belong to the genus Pan.

The reason why we share 98% genetic material with chimpanzees is because our genus, ******, and the chimpanzees genus, Pan, belongs to the same "Tribe", which is the third taxonomic rank above genus and species. This Tribe is called Hominini.

Go look it up, it happened get over you predetermined ideals, of species purity

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StarGateGod wrote...

Go look it up, it happened get over you predetermined ideals, of species purity

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StarGateGod wrote...

Arcian wrote...

StarGateGod wrote...

from what i understand there was one born in south florida

I'm sorry, but this is impossible.

Did you read my post earlier about how you cannot breed outside your own genus?

You see, humans belong to the genus named "******", hence our name, ****** Sapiens.

Chimpanzees belong to the genus Pan.

The reason why we share 98% genetic material with chimpanzees is because our genus, ******, and the chimpanzees genus, Pan, belongs to the same "Tribe", which is the third taxonomic rank above genus and species. This Tribe is called Hominini.

Go look it up, it happened get over you predetermined ideals, of species purity



Accodring to the internet, there has never been a confirmed Humanzee. From the Wikipedias

There have been no scientifically verified specimens of a human/ape hybrid, although a performing chimp named Oliver was popularized during the 1970s as a possible Chuman/Humanzee. Genetic tests conducted at the University of Chicago concluded that, despite Oliver's somewhat unusual appearance and behavior, he was a normal chimpanzee;[9] he had the same number of chromosomes as normal chimpanzees. The "hybrid" claims were possibly a promotional gimmick. As a result of being humanized (habituated to humans rather than to chimps), Oliver was said to be attracted to female humans, and did not mate with chimpanzees.


There have, however, been Ligers - mostly sterile Lion Tiger hybrids. However, these are possible because the Lion and the Tiger share a common ancestor, and diverged into different species relatively recently. Unless you're theorizing that humans and aliens share a recent common ancestor, no example of earth animal hybrids is comprable to any hypothetical alien hybrid.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 11 avril 2011 - 11:20 .


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StarGateGod wrote...

[Go look it up, it happened get over you predetermined ideals, of species purity


Some guy saying that he was part of an experiment that produced a humanzee is not proof. There is not a single shred of evidence that there ever was a human-chimp hybrid.

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-wisdom purge-

I don't think anything we say will ever convince StarGateGod to abandon his/her fanatic desire to knock up Tali.

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http://www.democrati...ess=105x5882406

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http://news.scotsman...-the.4028970.jp

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http://www.democrati...ess=105x5882406

its fake, original photo from here
http://fizzyenergy.c...t-bald-animals/

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http://news.scotsman...-the.4028970.jp


Also, whether or not they exist (as far as I can determine, no scientist has ever confirmed their existence), it's irrelevant because humans and chimps share a common ancestor. Also, there are better examples of hybrids: mules and ligers actually do exist, but it's still irrelevant. Unless you are positing that humans and aliens share a common recent primate ancestor, the idea isn't comprable.

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http://www.democrati...ess=105x5882406

Alopecia is relatively common among chimps. Don't buy into that woo-woo stuff.

Impregnating yourself using a lettuce is more biologically plausible than getting a baby with an alien.

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I'm getting the sense that The Scotsman is just as well respected and accurate as our own National Enquirer.

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StarGateGod, first of all, those links provide no scientific proof to your claim.

Even if human-chimp breeding was possible - which it is not - how do you think this supports your idea of human-alien breeding? Humans and chimps share 98% of their DNA, while humans and aliens share 0%.

Now, I would like you to stop citing outlandish articles as proof for your equally outlandish claims when science states that species from one genus cannot breed with the species of another genus.

Tali will never be pregnant with your child, as simple as that.

Modifié par Arcian, 11 avril 2011 - 11:38 .