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[Gamer Ftw]

Ok here's my theory correct me if you think I'm wrong.
Morrigan said the babe represented freedom for an old power or something.
So I think the Old God baby will represent freedom from the chantry and a figurehead to rally the mages.
maybe to have a god that is not the maker and doesn't condemn magic.
I think Sandal was talking about when he was talking about the return of old magic the way it used to be.
I think that's why she and Flemeth wanted the child.
Also why Flemeth seemed to know the revolution was coming.
Discuss?

[DoNotIngest]

I think Sandal & God Baby would be the new Hawke & Varric.

[fighterchick]

And what about if the Warden/Alistair/Loghain died defeating the Archdemon and there was no OGB?

[Rabies]

These are good questions. In my current playthrough there was no god baby. I sacrificed Loghain to achieve my ends and secure my continued future as Prince-Consort. However, it's not as if the mages are without options...

They have the most powerful weapon in Thedas - MAGIC. They can perform rituals to summon forth troops, alter living beings (as seen with mabari and Fenris) to make them more powerful, and can rain destruction upon their enemies. A single mage is enough to give even a templar pause. There are so many ways the story can go right now that it's going to be difficult to tell what's going to happen.

The story could be drastically different just from whether you decided to side with the mages or the templars in the final battle. If you sided with the mages, I imagine they'd be more sympathetic towards you and willing to listen. If you sided with the templars it would probably be vice versa with their faction.

I foresee some intersting plot twists though....

[Emperor Iaius I]

fighterchicks wrote...

And what about if the Warden/Alistair/Loghain died defeating the Archdemon and there was no OGB?

What if the Warden killed Leliana or Zevran? 

I don't know if they're going to use the OGB. It seems too interesting and too significant to pass up, though.

[mesmerizedish]

Leliana is the OGB.

It's why she comes back even if you kill her.

[Gamer Ftw]

Well they ignored if Leliana and Zevran die so maybe theyignore Morrigan not having warden sexy times.

[Maria Caliban]

Zevran showing up if you killed him is a bug. It will be fixed in 1.02.

fighterchicks wrote...

And what about if the Warden/Alistair/Loghain died defeating the Archdemon and there was no OGB?

Then whenever the OGB would make an appearance, we'll get Bink, the understudy.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 10 avril 2011 - 05:03 .

[Emperor Iaius I]

I had wondered. At any rate, Zevran is insignificant to the story whereas Leliana seems important. The OGB is probably closer to Lels than Zev.

[hoorayforicecream]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Zevran showing up if you killed him is a bug. It will be fixed in 1.02.

fighterchicks wrote...

And what about if the Warden/Alistair/Loghain died defeating the Archdemon and there was no OGB?

Then whenever the OGB would make an appearance, we'll get Bink, the understudy.

That's Biff the understudy.

[mesmerizedish]

hoorayforicecream is the OGB.

[Maria Caliban]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

That's Biff the understudy.

If you want to biff the understudy, that's your own business. My relationship with him is purely platonic.

[mesmerizedish]

No no... that's BOFF the understudy.

[Avilia]

What if the understudy is BAMF?

Added - You know its odd, of all the things they've handwaved and retconned, the only one that would really pee me off is the OGB being made canon.  Here's hoping they don't. 

Modifié par Avilia, 10 avril 2011 - 10:54 .

[Andraste_Reborn]

You know its odd, of all the things they've handwaved and retconned, the only one that would really pee me off is the OGB being made canon. Here's hoping they don't.

Same here. Characters turning up alive when I killed them? OK, I can handwave that somehow. Anders got recruited as a Grey Warden and met Justice even if I threw him to the Templars? Well, I can see why they wanted to do things that way. The Old God Baby is canon? RAAAAAAAAGE!!!

Sure, I'd like to see it followed up in universes where it does exist. My first and primary Warden made Alistair do the ritual. But the Warden in my icon died so Morrigan wouldn't bring that child into the world, and I'd hate to import her save into DA3 only to find it there anyway.

[highcastle]

You know what? I'm okay with handwaving or retcons as long as it makes a useful impact on the story. I know they've said they won't canonize the OGB, but honestly it's probably the most interesting loose plot thread from Origins. It would be a shame if it never went anywhere. I like seeing my choices matter, but at the same time, if you take everything into account, eventually nothing will have an impact because the devs will have to think of all the people who made different choices.

IMO, Mass Effect 2 suffered a bit from this. Wrex, Kaidan, and Ashley were all relegated to cameos since they could turn up dead in the first game. Why waste money on VA many people might not hear? Why waste time scripting scenes many people won't see? And to me, the game felt weaker for it. I couldn't see a reason why Kaidan or Ash wouldn't join up with Shep on Horizon, even if just to escape the doomed colony. Especially if they were romanced.

In PnP RPGs, a player's choices matter so much more because there's a living, breathing DM who can adapt the storyline. You don't have to worry about millions of other players doing things differently, it's just your little group. You can still have awesome story lines. And really, that's why I play RPGs: for the chance to be part of a great story. Computers are a different medium, and if I have to sacrifice some of my choices for the sake of the story, I'm ok with that.

But this is just my opinion, and I think I happen to be in the minority. I'm also ok with that.

[Knight of Dane]

Good bye and good riddance, if it keeps Morrigan away then keep the baby away too.

[Torax]

I only had one story where I had a human noble have a baby with morrigan and they went through the portal together. The rest are almost always where a Dalish Elf willing makes the killing blow to save the all of Fereldon. Dalish will do what must be done. I only did some scenarios for achievements like Alistair making the sacrifice. But I don't hold those as my personal cannon. For some reason I think of the Dalish as the ones willing to give everything to save their people.

A dark pact from a liar who reveals to you at the end that it's supposedly why they were sent? No, my Hero knew their duty and wouldn't resort to some dark ritual out of fear. Though with how long the game is, I still kind of get sad when the last little talks with each companion are playing knowing the hero is going to die.

Modifié par Torax, 10 avril 2011 - 03:15 .

[Knight of Dane]

Torax wrote...

I only had one story where I had a human noble have a baby with morrigan and they went through the portal together. The rest are almost always where a Dalish Elf willing makes the killing blow to save the all of Fereldon. Dalish will do what must be done. I only did some scenarios for achievements like Alistair making the sacrifice. But I don't hold those as my personal cannon. For some reason I think of the Dalish as the ones willing to give everything to save their people.

A dark pact from a liar who reveals to you at the end that it's supposedly why they were sent? No, my Hero knew their duty and wouldn't resort to some dark ritual out of fear. Though with how long the game is, I still kind of get sad when the last little talks with each companion are playing knowing the hero is going to die.

Heh, and i allways assumed the Dalish would be the one who least of all wanted to giver her/his life for humans..

[Ymladdych]

*shrug*  They can canonize the OGB all they want...just don't make my Warden responsible for its existence.  Good, bad, or indifferent, I'd like to see the consequences of her choice as much as the pro-OGB players want to see how things turn out for their Wardens.  In fact, I like how pro-OGB players assume that its existence would be more interesting than its *lack* of existence.  (Sorry, but that's a little too far inside-the-box for me not to call it out.)

And I'll be honest, the OGB plotline doesn't intrigue me for any other reason but the consequences; by itself, I see it as nothing more than another *special child born for its destiny* in a genre that's saturated with them.  Which doesn't bother me, but it doesn't leave me at the edge of my seat in anticipation, either.

Modifié par Ymladdych, 10 avril 2011 - 04:08 .

[Rabies]

The OGB being around could be interesting, but I think Bioware already made some sorta statement saying that it wouldn't be cannon. I could be mistaken. All I know is in MY cannon, the OGB never came into being. I sacrificed Loghain to assure my continued existence and securing my place as Prince-Consort...

It's just a shame that I had to betray my best friend in order to do it. You fool, Alistair! I was PLANNING on killing him all the long! You damned cry baby.

[achilles000001]

The DA3 character will have to be stronger than the Grey Warden and Hawke, the only person I think that could be that strong would be the OGB.

[Vicious]

DA3 will have multiple 'origins'

one of them will be the OGB.

It's not canon in other words, but it's there for the people who want it.

[dragonflight288]

Umm...the god baby is canon. At the beginning of DA2, when you can choose the events in Origins, the default Origin (what bioware has as canon) is The Hero of Feraldan arch, with Aedan Cousland. And in the description it says he killed the archdemon and lived to tell the tale. I don't know what they'll do for imports, but that is the default storyline.

[Maria Caliban]

achilles000001 wrote...

The DA3 character will have to be stronger than the Grey Warden and Hawke...

Huh?

Hawke didn't need to be stronger than the Warden to be the protagonist of DA II. Why would the DA III PC have to meet some arbitrary level of 'strength?'

...the only person I think that could be that strong would be the OGB.

Yes, a ten year old. Mountains of strength, those are.

The Warden can be dead. Hawke wasn't that strong. And no level 1 character starting out will be as strong as a level 23-25 character at the end of their respective game, anyway.

Besides, the OGB is male. I can imagine BioWare doing many things, but forcing people to play a guy isn't one of them. The last game let you romance all the love interests without regard to gender, changed your family's appearance to match the skin color and features of the PC, and gave us a number of women in positions of power/importance.

BioWare, especially the DA team, are a very inclusive bunch.

dragonflight288 wrote...

Umm...the god baby is canon. At the beginning of DA2, when you can choose the events in Origins, the default Origin (what bioware has as canon) is The Hero of Feraldan arch, with Aedan Cousland. And in the description it says he killed the archdemon and lived to tell the tale. I don't know what they'll do for imports, but that is the default storyline.

There's a difference between canon and default.

While I'm at it, Leliana being alive can't be a retcon because a player's specific game doesn't function as canon either. A retcon would be BioWare saying she was dead and then having her alive again.

The reason people dislike canon is because they feel it overrides their choices. It means what you did doesn't matter and often has the suggestion that those choice are wrong. That's one of the reasons people tend to be annoyed at default Commander Shepard.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 13 avril 2011 - 01:34 .