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[Wee Joe Green]

I'm so intrigued to find out how this child will interact with the narrative of the Dragon Age series.  I believe quite strongly that he(she?) could be the main character of the third dragon age, assuming this is when Morrigan's story and involvement is revealed.

There was all the speculation of Hawke being the child for DA2 - even though that was impossible in terms of timescales.  But now that the suspicion has been dropped, bringing the child (now an adolescent i'd imagine) could work very well and escape peoples' attention somewhat.  Furthermore, as we don't know whether it was a boy/girl, this would give us the opportunity to play as either sex in the game.

Thoughts?

[Torax]

No, they wouldn't make it a playable character. Then any characters they wanted to have return including Cassandra would be far older and thus they would need to recast the entire story. Seems pointless.

edited to add.

You'd more likely have Wynne's baby be a playable character. Yet they have no reason to even bring that into the fold let alone the OGB which may or may not be Cannon for DA3.

Modifié par Torax, 10 avril 2011 - 11:58 .

[TheTouch]

I hope not - I don't think I ever performed the 'ritual' for any of my Wardens, so having Morrigan's demon-child be the main character would be a serious disconnect for my playthroughs.

[TobiTobsen]

The child is not even canon. At the moment.

IF the child would become canon there is still the question of age. If DA3 would play directly after DA2 the kid would only be 8-10 years old. If we don't assume that we have a case of "kid grows/ages faster than normal, because it's fantasy and the child is important" that would be pretty young to be a maincharacter.

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 10 avril 2011 - 12:28 .

[GodWood]

1/ The 'God-Child' is not in everyones save game and DG said he would not want to retcon/override this choice as it would be lame.
2/ We do know the gender of the child, Morrigan says in WH that it's a boy.

[RavenB]

I think Morrigan's baby will probably be an optional party character for those who conceived a baby, or had one of the Wardens do it. Maybe not in DA 3, though. It depends on how long the gap is between games. It's possible they'll wrap up most of what they need for this cast in DLC and start mostly fresh, or they might want to stick with a portion of these for a while longer than that. I think it's too soon to tell. Once we see where DLC is going, I think it'll be easier to guess when the time period for DA 3 will be.

[Wee Joe Green]

Torax wrote...

No, they wouldn't make it a playable character. Then any characters they wanted to have return including Cassandra would be far older and thus they would need to recast the entire story. Seems pointless.

edited to add.

You'd more likely have Wynne's baby be a playable character. Yet they have no reason to even bring that into the fold let alone the OGB which may or may not be Cannon for DA3.

Why would they be too old? Ten years have passed since his birth, plus another few could have passed before DA3 unfolds.  I never said he/she had to be an adult.  Why could you not play an adolescent teen?  Let's face it, Hawke - provided you used default - was fairly older looking compared to the usual playable characters of rpgs.  Next time why not have a youthful character?  As he/she will certainly have power regardless of their age due to the spirit of the Archdemon, and this would lend to magic (most prominently with Morrigan) or indeed any attributable strength.  Perhaps even a new class involving more of a mix of the two: an arcane warrior of sorts (I always sought for this in DA).

Finally, let's not forget...

This is no ordinary child.  Who's to say the child couldn't be subject to rapid maturity and or convetional ageing, albeit long-lived.  Based on choice of race in origins, the child could have mixed heritage.  In my case Morrigan is human of course (however from the lineage of Flemeth who is particularly long lived and so could have inherited a similar longevity) and my character was elven, who are by nature, long-lived.  Fantastical options are always available to one such as an Archdemon's spawn

Modifié par Wee Joe Green, 10 avril 2011 - 01:42 .

[Torax]

Wee Joe Green wrote...

Torax wrote...

No, they wouldn't make it a playable character. Then any characters they wanted to have return including Cassandra would be far older and thus they would need to recast the entire story. Seems pointless.

edited to add.

You'd more likely have Wynne's baby be a playable character. Yet they have no reason to even bring that into the fold let alone the OGB which may or may not be Cannon for DA3.

Why would they be too old? Ten years have passed since his birth, plus another few could have passed before DA3 unfolds.  I never said he/she had to be an adult.  Why could you not play an adolescent teen?  Let's face it, Hawke - provided you used default - was fairly older looking compared to the usual playable characters of rpgs.  Next time why not have a youthful character?  As he/she will certainly have power regardless of their age due to the spirit of the Archdemon, and this would lend to magic (most prominently with Morrigan) or indeed any attributable strength.  Perhaps even a new class involving more of a mix of the two: an arcane warrior of sorts (I always sought for this in DA).

Finally, let's not forget...

This is no ordinary child.  Who's to say the child couldn't be subject to rapid maturity and or convetional ageing, albeit long-lived.  Fantastical options are always available to one such as an Archdemon's spawn

You're still forgetting or ignoring that it's an optional solution and not cannon. My last one I ran didn't have her with child. Female Dalish Warden that refused Merrill's offer and since she loved Alistair left him to command the Men. While she went up with her girls. Leliana, Shale & Wynne. Just because one player does the OGB solution doesn't mean all would. So don't assume it's Cannon. Just like so far there is no Morrigan in DA2 either.

[Wee Joe Green]

TheTouch wrote...

I hope not - I don't think I ever performed the 'ritual' for any of my Wardens, so having Morrigan's demon-child be the main character would be a serious disconnect for my playthroughs.

But Morrigan still became pregnant regardless of whether you approved and/or conceived with her.  Hence, the folowing dlc involving her and the child.

The child is certainly going to form part of the story somewhere.

[RazorrX]

As of this moment, Bioware has not stated that there is a definite canon version, and they have stated over and over that the Old God Baby is NOT canon.

That said, when they do decide it is they will be able to explain the age by stating that time flowed differently in the mirror universe and thus the child is now an adult.

[Wee Joe Green]

Torax wrote...

You're still forgetting or ignoring that it's an optional solution and not cannon. My last one I ran didn't have her with child. Female Dalish Warden that refused Merrill's offer and since she loved Alistair left him to command the Men. While she went up with her girls. Leliana, Shale & Wynne. Just because one player does the OGB solution doesn't mean all would. So don't assume it's Cannon. Just like so far there is no Morrigan in DA2 either.

But see my point below.  Morrigan still gets pregnant and leaves regardless, it doesn't matter who conceived with her.  If it weren't canon they couldn't have allowed dlc to come out which showed her on the run with child.  Such dlc couldn't have been permitted to only apply to those whom it concerned.  It was general, canon, dlc.

There was nothing to stop Morrigan from performing the ritual and becoming pregnant with the Archdemon's soul regardless of your input and the writers could easily come up with options to circumvent peoples choices: I can think of several.  It's also not unheard of for Bioware to ignore some (slightly irregular, such as beheadings) options which could have occured in Origins.  They failed to implement many of the continuancy imports from Origins to DA2, I feel this one is canon to the story and couldn't easily be worked around and allowed to flourish for those who did choose to conceive.  In that case it would then just be the Warden's child.
EDIT: Plus they're always looking to encourage newcomers who haven't necessarily played the old games and therefore this decision of Morrigan's conceving child, could then be implemented as canon for that game.  An easy transition. 

Oh and in terms of those saying it's a boy, this could easily be worked around, and in pregnancy, nothing is ever certain regarding gender, PLUS, knowing Morrigan she could have of course been trying to deceive you.

So does nobody feel this would be an exciting possibility?

Modifié par Wee Joe Green, 10 avril 2011 - 01:56 .

[Torax]

Wee Joe Green wrote...

TheTouch wrote...

I hope not - I don't think I ever performed the 'ritual' for any of my Wardens, so having Morrigan's demon-child be the main character would be a serious disconnect for my playthroughs.

But Morrigan still became pregnant regardless of whether you approved and/or conceived with her.  Hence, the folowing dlc involving her and the child.

The child is certainly going to form part of the story somewhere.

"Morrigan leaves the party the night before the final battle when the Warden refuses her offer. She is later seen traveling through the Frostback Mountains alone. Several years later, tales out of Orlais said that a strange dark-haired mage had insinuated herself into the empress's court."

What happens if you are a female since she cannot sleep with you. She will make no mention of a baby because one was never concieved. She just uses the mirror and you still stab her in the back. Yay...

Edited to add that same result can happen if you are male and never slept with her.

Modifié par Torax, 10 avril 2011 - 01:56 .

[Rogue Unit]

I hope Morrigan and her child stay as far away fromn DA as possible.

[Shadowrun1177]

Wee Joe Green wrote...

TheTouch wrote...

I hope not - I don't think I ever performed the 'ritual' for any of my Wardens, so having Morrigan's demon-child be the main character would be a serious disconnect for my playthroughs.

But Morrigan still became pregnant regardless of whether you approved and/or conceived with her.  Hence, the folowing dlc involving her and the child.

The child is certainly going to form part of the story somewhere.

Are you talking about the Witch Hunt dlc, cause the child isn't canon in that dlc. If you didn't agree to the ritual then she doesn't even mention a child. The only way for her to be pregnant at the end of DA:O is if you romance her as a male character or agree to the dark ritual. If you romance her then don't agree to the ritual then she got pregnant from the roamance, if you agree to the dark ritual then that's how she get's pregnant. 

[Wee Joe Green]

Rogue Unit wrote...

I hope Morrigan and her child stay as far away fromn DA as possible.

Why on Earth would you want that?  It played a vital role at the end of the game and is an possibility which offers an abundance of choices for some very intriguing narrative decisions which is routed to the history of Thedas and the magisters seizing power, starting the First Blight, the Archdemon and the Blights.  This connection they threw into the mix has the potential to, again, change the course of Fereldon's history it is known and offer some very exciting possibilities.

[Torax]

Think of it like this.

You want something to be cannon that only occurs in only a portion of the romance options.

Male Hero + Morrigan
Female Hero + Alistair
or lastly
Female Hero w/ Loghain alive.

Players of either sex could romance both Leliana or Zevran and they would not be able to have alistair on the throne to be in a cannon with the OGB baby. So what does this mean for their lore? They'd pigeon hole the lore completely to make the OGB fit. So I doubt it's something they'd leap to do as a main character.

[Icy Magebane]

I think it's more important that the writers respect the integrity of their own work rather than cater to a specific group of fans. They've already said the OGB is not canon. They've already told us that it's male, if it even exists. If Morrigan was pregnant or not, without a Dark Ritual and a surviving Warden (Ultimate Sacrifice destroys the Archdemon soul), there can be no OGB. I see no reason to change this now.

But, I'm not going to say they won't go back on their word... I'm just saying they shouldn't.

[Torax]

 btw here is what happens if you don't sleep with morrigan and finish witch hunt.

Well also if you stab her at the end in that nice slow mo shot.

[Wee Joe Green]

Torax wrote...

Think of it like this.

You want something to be cannon that only occurs in only a portion of the romance options.

Male Hero + Morrigan
Female Hero + Alistair
or lastly
Female Hero w/ Loghain alive.

Players of either sex could romance both Leliana or Zevran and they would not be able to have alistair on the throne to be in a cannon with the OGB baby. So what does this mean for their lore? They'd pigeon hole the lore completely to make the OGB fit. So I doubt it's something they'd leap to do as a main character.

Hmm, I was never aware there were options which entirely excluded the possiblity of her with child.  Obviously you romancing - or even if not - could perform the ritual.  If a female Warden, what was to stop another character, Alistair,  that other Warden etc from performing the ritual with her?  If you were male, you could even allow Alistair to conceive with her.

But more than anything I was under the impression from what many have said, and from what I've seen, that even if you disagreed with the ritual, or refused to sleep with her, the end narration still said that she was seen with child and left.  Therefore, un-known to you, had still conducted the ritual - however it is she actually chose to do so - and took the spirit of the Archdemon into the child she was carrying.

Am I not right in saying that even had you refused her offer, many games still said she was seen pregnant and left after the events?  Many people have said this.

[Wee Joe Green]

Torax wrote...

 btw here is what happens if you don't sleep with morrigan and finish witch hunt.

Well also if you stab her at the end in that nice slow mo shot.

Haha oh and I've seen this! There's absolutely nothing in this which suggests she's dead as a result of that!  She was still alive as she passed through the mirror and, come on, not only was it not a fatal stab but this is a story! People survive the likes of this too many times to count.  They could easily include that she was betrayed and injured yet survived the encounter.  Not to mention the fact she passed through the mirror - who knows what waits beyond and how something such as that would affect her there.
EDIT: Think about how they managed to include a twist to Flemeth's tale.  She was 100% completely dead in Origins, yet they succesfully managed to allow her to survive and be incorporated into DA2.

I just didn't see this as 'catering to a segment of fans'.  I thought this was something that could have been encountered or worked into any story. 

Modifié par Wee Joe Green, 10 avril 2011 - 02:16 .

[Torax]

Point is you want something that is so exclusive in the first place to be the Cannon for your ideal teenage companion? Won't happen. Also the game is not a Trilogy. They have no reason to use your scenario for the 3rd game. Assuming if they even ever wanted to use that part of Origins. Why I still think they'd more likely use others like Wynne's child who is going to be a book soon I believe. Or even Maric & Fiona's child which is still out there.

No reason to use OGB ever.

[Wee Joe Green]

Torax wrote...

Point is you want something that is so exclusive in the first place to be the Cannon for your ideal teenage companion? Won't happen. Also the game is not a Trilogy. They have no reason to use your scenario for the 3rd game. Assuming if they even ever wanted to use that part of Origins. Why I still think they'd more likely use others like Wynne's child who is going to be a book soon I believe. Or even Maric & Fiona's child which is still out there.

No reason to use OGB ever.

I know it's not set to be a trilogy, I even argue and demonstrate this elsewhere.

I was only saying I didn't know (before now) that it was so entirely exclusive, I thought it affected everyone's games in some way or another, however it came about, and so thought it would be a really intuitive and exciting possibility for the future.  I'm surprised so many people are against it here, I thought it was a generally well-loved point of Origins which people were looking forward to finding out the resolution to.

Oh and btw, Wynne's child?  This is something I confess I don't know about?  I don't remember anything to do with Wynne having a child.

[Torax]

"Wynne admits to Alistair that she occasionally sought the "company" of other mages and she bore one son out of wedlock with a member of the Circle. According to her, the child was taken from her by the Chantry and she was too weak from the birthing process to stop them at that point. Wynne still thinks about her son all the time."

[Fallstar]

Well seeing as Morrigan always has the child, and always goes through the Eluvian somehow, it appears that the OGB will form at least some part of the story of future games. If it wouldn't, what would be the point of epilogue slides saying that Morrigan looked pregnant? I personally wouldn't mind having the OGB as a PC, although I think it more likely that it will be a companion, or possibly some form of NPC.

To summarise: Possibly the PC, almost certainly in the DA franchise somehow

[Torax]

SirLogical wrote...

Well seeing as Morrigan always has the child, and always goes through the Eluvian somehow, it appears that the OGB will form at least some part of the story of future games. If it wouldn't, what would be the point of epilogue slides saying that Morrigan looked pregnant? I personally wouldn't mind having the OGB as a PC, although I think it more likely that it will be a companion, or possibly some form of NPC.

To summarise: Possibly the PC, almost certainly in the DA franchise somehow

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