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[JesterPsychotica]

I thought I read somewhere, that even if you don't sleep with her, or Alistair doesn't, she gets Riordan to? Or rather, its assumed.

She's was pretty desperate to have that bebe.

I don't have a source for that, but I recall it somewhere. I also remember reading Loghain was an option as well, although I never have played that path personally.

[Wee Joe Green]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

That wouldn't be possible if you imported from an Origins save where the ritual wasn't performed. Unless they do a workaround like that Morrigan was able to salvage the Archdemon's soul from Dead Warden/Alistair/Loghain's body.

But if they did go that way, it'd be interesting to see major events in the game change based on who fathered Morrigan's child.

The Warden's child would have to spend his life in the shadow of one of the world's greatest heroes.

Alistair's child would be the rightful heir to Ferelden unless he relinquished his rights, but even then, many would feel that the throne still belonged to the Therin bloodline.

Loghain's child would have to live his life being judged for his father's sins and resent him.

Also the kid would have to have potent magical powers regardless of the class you choose for him.

No you missed the point, that's what has been discussed throughout this thread, that a "work-around" may not satisfy people and its dangerous ground, even though there are always options which could make it a possibility.

What was being suggested with Origins, is that it wouldn't have to be a work around or a retcon or whatever into forcing the decision onto people.  The child of Morrigan could be offered as a starting character, an origin to begin playing with similar to the options presented at the start of the original game.  It could then offer a solution for those saves which did conceive the child in one way or another and for those that didn't, could choose another.  There wouldn't even have to be as many origins choices as the first game, provided they were at a greater level of depth than before.  DAO was in this way, the true experiment.

Finally, there is nothing to say he would have to have magical ability.  The soul of the archdemon could have manifested its powers in him/her in other ways.  However, magic would of course lend itself to his background.  Or perhaps an amalgamation of the two, who knows?

(One final point, I've already argued my point that he wouldn't have to be restricted to being a human, but you can read on that a few pages back  )

[GodWood]

Wee Joe Green wrote...
(One final point, I've already argued my point that he wouldn't have to be restricted to being a human, but you can read on that a few pages back  )

Of course not, the OGB can be a human male or a half-dwarf male.

[The Spirit of Dance]

GodWood wrote...

Wee Joe Green wrote...
(One final point, I've already argued my point that he wouldn't have to be restricted to being a human, but you can read on that a few pages back  )

Of course not, the OGB can be a human male or a half-dwarf male.

what abourt half-elf?

[88mphSlayer]

playing as the old god child would be far too interesting for a Bioware game, must have more dudebros and dudegals

[TobiTobsen]

supremebloodwolf wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Wee Joe Green wrote...
(One final point, I've already argued my point that he wouldn't have to be restricted to being a human, but you can read on that a few pages back  )

Of course not, the OGB can be a human male or a half-dwarf male.

what abourt half-elf?

Half-Elves don't exist in Thedas.

[Herr Uhl]

88mphSlayer wrote...

playing as the old god child would be far too interesting for a Bioware game, must have more dudebros and dudegals

?

[The Spirit of Dance]

TobiTobsen wrote...

supremebloodwolf wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Wee Joe Green wrote...
(One final point, I've already argued my point that he wouldn't have to be restricted to being a human, but you can read on that a few pages back  )

Of course not, the OGB can be a human male or a half-dwarf male.

what abourt half-elf?

Half-Elves don't exist in Thedas.

oh rite i forgot, elf + human just creates a full blooded human.  can we still call them half-elves anyway since they are still mothered/fathered by an elf?


edit: or how about elf-born or elfspawn

Modifié par supremebloodwolf, 11 avril 2011 - 03:52 .

[Emperor Iaius I]

They're called elf-blooded humans, iirc.

[Wee Joe Green]

TobiTobsen wrote...

supremebloodwolf wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Wee Joe Green wrote...
(One final point, I've already argued my point that he wouldn't have to be restricted to being a human, but you can read on that a few pages back  )

Of course not, the OGB can be a human male or a half-dwarf male.

what abourt half-elf?

Half-Elves don't exist in Thedas.

Except Fenyreil...

Haha I kid, let's not start that up again!

[88mphSlayer]

Herr Uhl wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...

playing as the old god child would be far too interesting for a Bioware game, must have more dudebros and dudegals

?

Bioware tends to use fairly generic personalities for their player character regardless of background (usually something messianic with the exception of Hawke), methinks playing as the old god child would require them to craft more personality onto the player character

[Torax]

88mphSlayer wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...

playing as the old god child would be far too interesting for a Bioware game, must have more dudebros and dudegals

?

Bioware tends to use fairly generic personalities for their player character regardless of background (usually something messianic with the exception of Hawke), methinks playing as the old god child would require them to craft more personality onto the player character

And also would have them jumping the shark completely lore wise. But yeah no. Since the fact that a male Hero was able to follow Morrigan through to meet said child and "prepare" them? You can probably kiss the concept of having your "I win button" character goodbye.

JesterPsychotica wrote...

I thought I read somewhere, that even if you don't sleep with her, or Alistair doesn't, she gets Riordan to? Or rather, its assumed. 

She's was pretty desperate to have that bebe. 

I don't have a source for that, but I recall it somewhere. I also remember reading Loghain was an option as well, although I never have played that path personally.

Morrigan said it had to be a younger Warden. That Riordan had the taint too long. As in probably having the taint for 10-20 years. Alistair was a warden for I think like 6 months before metting you. The Loop Hole for why it can be him for female wardens. Loghain being a fresh one from just drinking a day or 2 before.

Modifié par Torax, 11 avril 2011 - 08:45 .

[Wee Joe Green]

To the above, lol. Messianic though? Maybe not quite.

I must admit I did think on several occassions that when I'd use the sarcy/humourous dialogue choice, he'd just end up sounding like a pretentious explitive. Also his whole tone of voice change, not in the normal way either, almost like a different person voiced it or they weren't sure what being funny actually sounded like.

[WhiteKnyght]

Wee Joe Green wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

That wouldn't be possible if you imported from an Origins save where the ritual wasn't performed. Unless they do a workaround like that Morrigan was able to salvage the Archdemon's soul from Dead Warden/Alistair/Loghain's body.

But if they did go that way, it'd be interesting to see major events in the game change based on who fathered Morrigan's child.

The Warden's child would have to spend his life in the shadow of one of the world's greatest heroes.

Alistair's child would be the rightful heir to Ferelden unless he relinquished his rights, but even then, many would feel that the throne still belonged to the Therin bloodline.

Loghain's child would have to live his life being judged for his father's sins and resent him.

Also the kid would have to have potent magical powers regardless of the class you choose for him.

No you missed the point, that's what has been discussed throughout this thread, that a "work-around" may not satisfy people and its dangerous ground, even though there are always options which could make it a possibility.

What was being suggested with Origins, is that it wouldn't have to be a work around or a retcon or whatever into forcing the decision onto people.  The child of Morrigan could be offered as a starting character, an origin to begin playing with similar to the options presented at the start of the original game.  It could then offer a solution for those saves which did conceive the child in one way or another and for those that didn't, could choose another.  There wouldn't even have to be as many origins choices as the first game, provided they were at a greater level of depth than before.  DAO was in this way, the true experiment.

Finally, there is nothing to say he would have to have magical ability.  The soul of the archdemon could have manifested its powers in him/her in other ways.  However, magic would of course lend itself to his background.  Or perhaps an amalgamation of the two, who knows?

(One final point, I've already argued my point that he wouldn't have to be restricted to being a human, but you can read on that a few pages back  )

Morrigan's comments contradict you. She explicitly told the warden when asked that it would a child with the soul of an old god. not that it would not be human.

In Witch Hunt Morrigan states that the child is a boy, not a monster. And she says she must prepare him. Which implies he is magical because she's clearly not skilled in the arts of a warrior or rogue to pass them on to a child.

Also the whole OGB idea was Flemeth's. And that alone is a good indicator that the baby will be born with great powers. Because power is the only real thing Flemeth seems to desire.

Plus its been said in the DA series that magic is genetic. Meaning some family lines produce a lot of mages, like Isolde's family(hence Connor) and the Amell's. And all of Flemeths past daughters were mages otherwise she couldn't have used them as hosts for her soul. So her dark and twisted inhuman genetics must be extremely rich in magic.

[Torax]

Keep in mind The Grey Nayr, Flemeth could have likely just taken all of her daughters from Chasind and Wilder folk that were already born with magic. Then she just raised them as she saw fit. Justification as well for the myth of her stealing children and eating them.

[steve3194]

Either way the child will feature in the story again.Maybe the world morrigan travelled to using the alluvian.has a different time structure. kinda like limbo in the movie inception-could make the child age faster......just a thought

[Wee Joe Green]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Morrigan's comments contradict you. She explicitly told the warden when asked that it would a child with the soul of an old god. not that it would not be human.

In Witch Hunt Morrigan states that the child is a boy, not a monster. And she says she must prepare him. Which implies he is magical because she's clearly not skilled in the arts of a warrior or rogue to pass them on to a child.

Also the whole OGB idea was Flemeth's. And that alone is a good indicator that the baby will be born with great powers. Because power is the only real thing Flemeth seems to desire.

Plus its been said in the DA series that magic is genetic. Meaning some family lines produce a lot of mages, like Isolde's family(hence Connor) and the Amell's. And all of Flemeths past daughters were mages otherwise she couldn't have used them as hosts for her soul. So her dark and twisted inhuman genetics must be extremely rich in magic.

I never disagreed he would have the soul of an old god/the archdemon?  That's the point in this thread.  I was saying it wouldn't have to be a decision which would overide people's decisions and saves.

"Prepare" does not in any way, shape or form, mean "teach him magic prowess" or even "develop his magic capabilities".  It means prepare him.  Of course it could mean this, but like you said, you implied that.  That far from makes it fact.

My Champion of Kirkwall had considerable "power", as he managed to single-handedly topple the Arishok, the leader of the Mages of Kirkwall Orsino, and Meredeth - the greatest threat to Kirkwall.  He was no mage.  You do not have to have magic to command power and there are several ways in which Morrigan could help to develop such a powerful youths latent abilities.  She could also mean "prepare" him for his change, his growth, or any manner of mental troubles he may encounter with having the soul of an archdemon within him.  Not to mention that should you have chosen your Warden to go through the Eluvian with her to aid the child, then he (like my character) may not have been magic and could have trained the child in the art of war, not magic.

"Prepare" does not mean in itself that he will have magic and like I always say, there are always options and possibilities.

 

Modifié par Wee Joe Green, 12 avril 2011 - 09:11 .

[Mark of the Dragon]

It would be cool. They could write off saying it was a boy. Maybe Morrigan was trying to throe you off or trick you. Also the end of Origins say shes pregnant even if you didn't slip it to her so it possible.

[TEWR]

Mark of the Dragon wrote...

It would be cool. They could write off saying it was a boy. Maybe Morrigan was trying to throe you off or trick you. Also the end of Origins say shes pregnant even if you didn't slip it to her so it possible.

What does she have to gain from trying to trick you into thinking you're kid's a boy? There's actually no reason why that would be something to throw someone off.

If they made the OGB the main character, we'd be restricted in gender which isn't good. If they retconned that (and this is the proper use of the word retcon, not the ones where people use it to show something they dislike), then Morrigan's an idiot because she couldn't tell the difference between a boy and a girl.


And also, DA3 will probably pick up where Cassandra left, which takes place 3 years after the events in the Gallows. So the OGB would be what? 9-10? I don't want to play a child thank you very much.


dammit I just realized you cast a necromancy spell.....

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 13 juin 2011 - 05:16 .

[Wee Joe Green]

Why is the thread still here? Clearly because it interests people. :happy:

As for that particular retcon issue, there's always ways around any problem as I always say. Did you know in some mythologies that the dragon is able to change form to human at will and can take on any form it desires, male or female, unimaginably beautiful, or old and haggard? This would perfectly suit the character creation style model for such an individual born with the soul of an archdemon dragon. It might also explain Morrigan's understandable confusion. 

I refuse to to submit to all the pessimism that entails the old god child issue; i'm not saying it's the perfect idea for DA3, just a fun idea.

(FINAL NOTE: nothing has been released to specify the time frame of DA3, so stating when it will happen as fact is just plain silly.)

Modifié par Wee Joe Green, 13 juin 2011 - 09:16 .

[Wee Joe Green]

Oh and of course this transformational magic would suit the style of magic we already know from Dragon Age and, of course, Morrigan's own. She, like Flemeth, is a shapeshifter and could have taught the child to transform to it's original state so to speak. Playing as a character who could transform into a dragon would be an interesting perk.  There's also no reason this ability should necessarily be restricted to a magic class either, considering the power this child would have. Such a transformation could be a latent ability seperate to the rest of it's traits. Perhaps the child might have preferred to choose the path of a warrior, but still demonstrates an aptitude for magic. Again, similar to the established battle mage class.

Modifié par Wee Joe Green, 13 juin 2011 - 09:23 .

[ReallyRue]

JesterPsychotica wrote...

I thought I read somewhere, that even if you don't sleep with her, or Alistair doesn't, she gets Riordan to? Or rather, its assumed.

She's was pretty desperate to have that bebe.

I don't have a source for that, but I recall it somewhere. I also remember reading Loghain was an option as well, although I never have played that path personally.

I don't know, that sounds like the sort of "You have no choice" choice that people complained about in DA2. Making different decisions and getting all the same outcomes.

[jonesd]

I think they will use it. Not as a playable character though. My guess is that DA3 will involve us in the war somehow and then towards the end Morrigan and/or Flemeth make their move, setting up the plot for DA4.

I don't know how they would explain it if you didn't do the ritual, but they would come up with something. Or just retcon it and say Morrigan had the child and absorbed the archdemon. It isn't as big of a retcon as some say. It is a 50/50 chance that you do the ritual.

Don't they retcon if your Warden dies? I could be wrong though, but I thought they did.

[TEWR]

jonesd wrote...

I think they will use it. Not as a playable character though. My guess is that DA3 will involve us in the war somehow and then towards the end Morrigan and/or Flemeth make their move, setting up the plot for DA4.

I don't know how they would explain it if you didn't do the ritual, but they would come up with something. Or just retcon it and say Morrigan had the child and absorbed the archdemon. It isn't as big of a retcon as some say. It is a 50/50 chance that you do the ritual.

Don't they retcon if your Warden dies? I could be wrong though, but I thought they did.

Well they could probably say that she had sex with Riordan. I mean, who's to say she didn't try and get Riordan to do it?

Then, they could say your Warden suffered massive trauma to the head as he was knocked back by the blast and that's what killed him.

And maybe Morrigan indirectly helped with the battle, or was just near Denerim enough for the Archdemon's soul to go to the baby.


And I wouldn't call Awakening's story a retcon. I'd call it a "Here you can import your Warden as if you did the Dark Ritual and lived so you don't have to go through the trouble of the final battle at Denerim all over again."


More for convenience rather than a retcon.