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[TobiTobsen]

SirLogical wrote...

Well seeing as Morrigan always has the child, and always goes through the Eluvian somehow, it appears that the OGB will form at least some part of the story of future games. If it wouldn't, what would be the point of epilogue slides saying that Morrigan looked pregnant? I personally wouldn't mind having the OGB as a PC, although I think it more likely that it will be a companion, or possibly some form of NPC.

To summarise: Possibly the PC, almost certainly in the DA franchise somehow

That is not true  If you don't sleep with her, she won't get pregnant. If you slept with her before the Ritual she is pregnant, but not with the OGB. Only if you did the Ritual with her, then the OGB is your canon

[Wee Joe Green]

SirLogical wrote...

Well seeing as Morrigan always has the child, and always goes through the Eluvian somehow, it appears that the OGB will form at least some part of the story of future games. If it wouldn't, what would be the point of epilogue slides saying that Morrigan looked pregnant? I personally wouldn't mind having the OGB as a PC, although I think it more likely that it will be a companion, or possibly some form of NPC.

To summarise: Possibly the PC, almost certainly in the DA franchise somehow

I thought the same too, but grudgingly had to see that this wasn't always so by others on this thread.

Still, it's still eminently possible for Bioware to (rightly or wrongly) circumvent this and include Morrigan with child somehow.  Again, they did so on so many occasions with DA2.

Let's remember most crucially, it now seems Leliana is somewhat core to the story of Dragon Age, for the time being.  Regardless of patch updates affecting Zevran, Lelianna will always remain at the end of the game and is a vital component now of that end game.

It was possible for the Warden to kill her and therefore it should be impossible for her to be in DA2 as she is.  Yet she is.  The issue with Morrigan and her child is a more important one than Leliana alive or dead before now and she's here.  I findit hard to believe they would dismiss such an important theme.

Modifié par Wee Joe Green, 10 avril 2011 - 02:46 .

[Wee Joe Green]

TobiTobsen wrote...

SirLogical wrote...

Well seeing as Morrigan always has the child, and always goes through the Eluvian somehow, it appears that the OGB will form at least some part of the story of future games. If it wouldn't, what would be the point of epilogue slides saying that Morrigan looked pregnant? I personally wouldn't mind having the OGB as a PC, although I think it more likely that it will be a companion, or possibly some form of NPC.

To summarise: Possibly the PC, almost certainly in the DA franchise somehow

That is not true  If you don't sleep with her, she won't get pregnant. If you slept with her before the Ritual she is pregnant, but not with the OGB. Only if you did the Ritual with her, then the OGB is your canon

You dont have to sleep with her.  Another can sleep with her, even Alistair can.  Also in some outcomes, it states that - even if you didn't sleep with her - she was seen pregnant in the epilogue.  Although i'm now confused as to how this came about again.

So there are many more options than just you sleeping with her for it to become 'your' canon.

Modifié par Wee Joe Green, 10 avril 2011 - 02:44 .

[TobiTobsen]

Wee Joe Green wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

SirLogical wrote...

Well seeing as Morrigan always has the child, and always goes through the Eluvian somehow, it appears that the OGB will form at least some part of the story of future games. If it wouldn't, what would be the point of epilogue slides saying that Morrigan looked pregnant? I personally wouldn't mind having the OGB as a PC, although I think it more likely that it will be a companion, or possibly some form of NPC.

To summarise: Possibly the PC, almost certainly in the DA franchise somehow

That is not true  If you don't sleep with her, she won't get pregnant. If you slept with her before the Ritual she is pregnant, but not with the OGB. Only if you did the Ritual with her, then the OGB is your canon

You dont have to sleep with her.  Another can sleep with her, even Alistair can.  Also in some outcomes, it states that - even if you didn't sleep with her - she was seen pregnant in the epilogue.  Although i'm now confused as to how this came about again.

So there are many more options than just you sleeping with her for it to become 'your' canon.

If you never sleep with her and don't ask Alistair/Loghain to do the ritual with her, than this epilogue for her pops up:

Morrigan leaves the party the night before the final battle when the Warden refuses her offer. She is later seen traveling through the Frostback Mountains alone. Several years later, tales out of Orlais said that a strange dark-haired mage had insinuated herself into the empress's court.

Just like i said above: If you don't sleep with her, she won't get pregnant. If you slept with her before the Ritual she is pregnant, but not with the OGB. Only if you or the other warden did the Ritual with her, then the OGB is your canon. So there is exactly one other option for her to have the OGB than sleeping with you. Sleeping with the other warden after you convinced them

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 10 avril 2011 - 02:52 .

[highcastle]

While I think the OGB will play a role somehow, he can't be the PC. Why? Because it's explicitly stated she has a son and BioWare has too much of a good reputation for including PCs of both genders.

[CloudOfShadows]

No.

There's no child.

I never gave in to the wiles of that evil witch. She asked me to kill the one person who saved Alistair and me from that tower.

[TJPags]

1. OGB is not canon.
2. Devs have said they don't intend to make OGB canon.
3. Even if canon, OGB is a human male - which means less character choice than in DA2.

So, yea, I'm hoping we never see the OGB again.

[Fallstar]

TobiTobsen wrote...

Wee Joe Green wrote...

TobiTobsen wrote...

SirLogical wrote...

Well seeing as Morrigan always has the child, and always goes through the Eluvian somehow, it appears that the OGB will form at least some part of the story of future games. If it wouldn't, what would be the point of epilogue slides saying that Morrigan looked pregnant? I personally wouldn't mind having the OGB as a PC, although I think it more likely that it will be a companion, or possibly some form of NPC.

To summarise: Possibly the PC, almost certainly in the DA franchise somehow

That is not true  If you don't sleep with her, she won't get pregnant. If you slept with her before the Ritual she is pregnant, but not with the OGB. Only if you did the Ritual with her, then the OGB is your canon

You dont have to sleep with her.  Another can sleep with her, even Alistair can.  Also in some outcomes, it states that - even if you didn't sleep with her - she was seen pregnant in the epilogue.  Although i'm now confused as to how this came about again.

So there are many more options than just you sleeping with her for it to become 'your' canon.

If you never sleep with her and don't ask Alistair/Loghain to do the ritual with her, than this epilogue for her pops up:

Morrigan leaves the party the night before the final battle when the Warden refuses her offer. She is later seen traveling through the Frostback Mountains alone. Several years later, tales out of Orlais said that a strange dark-haired mage had insinuated herself into the empress's court.

Just like i said above: If you don't sleep with her, she won't get pregnant. If you slept with her before the Ritual she is pregnant, but not with the OGB. Only if you or the other warden did the Ritual with her, then the OGB is your canon. So there is exactly one other option for her to have the OGB than sleeping with you. Sleeping with the other warden after you convinced them

For Sure this happens at the end of origins, but at the end of witch hunt, she mentions a child, even if you told her to stuff herself in origins.

[Torax]

SirLogical wrote...

For Sure this happens at the end of origins, but at the end of witch hunt, she mentions a child, even if you told her to stuff herself in origins.

No she doesn't... look through page 1 and watch the movie link I posted. No baby when you ask her of her plans.

Modifié par Torax, 10 avril 2011 - 03:17 .

[Wee Joe Green]

TJPags wrote...

1. OGB is not canon.
2. Devs have said they don't intend to make OGB canon.
3. Even if canon, OGB is a human male - which means less character choice than in DA2.

So, yea, I'm hoping we never see the OGB again.

Why on earth would it have to be a human male?  Now that has not been stated.  In my case even, I was Dalish elven and so the child would be mixed race.  As I said before, Morrigan is also no meager human, she is one of the daughter's of Flemeth - and let's not even start speculating preciself what she is!

[TobiTobsen]

Wee Joe Green wrote...

TJPags wrote...

1. OGB is not canon.
2. Devs have said they don't intend to make OGB canon.
3. Even if canon, OGB is a human male - which means less character choice than in DA2.

So, yea, I'm hoping we never see the OGB again.

Why on earth would it have to be a human male?  Now that has not been stated.  In my case even, I was Dalish elven and so the child would be mixed race.  As I said before, Morrigan is also no meager human, she is one of the daughter's of Flemeth - and let's not even start speculating preciself what she is!

Because only 5% of the playthroughs were with dwarfs (and we don't know wha happens if a dwarf and a human have a kid). The other OGB's would all be human male, because all off the possible fathers are human, besides the warden.
Even with a elven warden as a father the kid would still be a human, thanks to the strange elven genetics stuff.  Kids of Humans and Elves are always human.

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 10 avril 2011 - 04:09 .

[Wee Joe Green]

highcastle wrote...

While I think the OGB will play a role somehow, he can't be the PC. Why? Because it's explicitly stated she has a son and BioWare has too much of a good reputation for including PCs of both genders.

A said above, this is easily rectifiable.  It wouldn't even have to be a makeshift reason.  It could be made entirely justifiable that her child is either male or female.

Oh and all this talk of "the old god baby".

Let's not call it this, it's a misrepresentation if anything.  It's simply the child of Morrigan and (whoever else, principally the Warden) who has received the soul of the archdemon.  This does not of itself make the baby "an old god".  If anything it could likely have as much human/mage/elven/royal blood as anything else which forms part of its soul.  This is a discussion on the soul and its reflection of our self.

[Wee Joe Green]

TobiTobsen wrote...

Wee Joe Green wrote...

TJPags wrote...

1. OGB is not canon.
2. Devs have said they don't intend to make OGB canon.
3. Even if canon, OGB is a human male - which means less character choice than in DA2.

So, yea, I'm hoping we never see the OGB again.

Why on earth would it have to be a human male?  Now that has not been stated.  In my case even, I was Dalish elven and so the child would be mixed race.  As I said before, Morrigan is also no meager human, she is one of the daughter's of Flemeth - and let's not even start speculating preciself what she is!

Because only 5% of the playthroughs were with dwarfs (and we don't know wha happens if a dwarf and a human have a kid). The other OGB's would all be human male, because all off the possible fathers are human, besides the warden.
Even with a elven warden as a father the kid would still be a human, thanks to the strange elven genetics stuff.  Kids of Humans and Elves are always human.

I'm sorry but that's so far from the mark.

Think about Dragon Age 2 even.  Fenyriel (?) was conceived from an elven mother and a human father and he too was principally elven in both nature and look.

There is absolutely nothing which suggests what the race of the child need be.  It would be no less "limited" than DA2 as Hawke.

[Wee Joe Green]

TobiTobsen wrote...

Just like i said above: If you don't sleep with her, she won't get pregnant. If you slept with her before the Ritual she is pregnant, but not with the OGB. Only if you or the other warden did the Ritual with her, then the OGB is your canon. So there is exactly one other option for her to have the OGB than sleeping with you. Sleeping with the other warden after you convinced them

Who's to say this pregnancy would not have resulted in a child with the soul of the archdemon?  We don't know all of the nuances of the ritual and there is no evidence to suggest this pregnancy could not have led to such a child's birth.  Morrigan was determined to conceive that child and i'm sure she could have managed to make the child that was already in her womb, be that which would carry the soul of the archdemon.

We just don't know absoltely everything for sure is what i'm saying and so there are always avenues which the writers could take in adopting this child into the narrative.

Without looking into every possibility, is it not an interesting possibility in itself?

[TJPags]

Wee Joe Green wrote...

TJPags wrote...

1. OGB is not canon.
2. Devs have said they don't intend to make OGB canon.
3. Even if canon, OGB is a human male - which means less character choice than in DA2.

So, yea, I'm hoping we never see the OGB again.

Why on earth would it have to be a human male?  Now that has not been stated.  In my case even, I was Dalish elven and so the child would be mixed race.  As I said before, Morrigan is also no meager human, she is one of the daughter's of Flemeth - and let's not even start speculating preciself what she is!

1.  If there is a child, Morrigan says the child is a boy - that's male.  You concede that, correct?
2.  A Human and Morrigan have a human.  An elf and Morrigan have an essentially human child - Fenriel notwithstanding.  Devs have said this.  Dwarf and Morrigan have a somewhat short, human child.  Again,. devs have said this.

And Morrigan is indeed human.

[Wee Joe Green]

SirLogical wrote...

For Sure this happens at the end of origins, but at the end of witch hunt, she mentions a child, even if you told her to stuff herself in origins.

This is what I thought too.  That's why I thought there was always some way in which the child would be incorporated into the story.  But then I didn't write the game so I don't know.

[TobiTobsen]

Wee Joe Green wrote...

I'm sorry but that's so far from the mark.

Think about Dragon Age 2 even.  Fenyriel (?) was conceived from an elven mother and a human father and he too was principally elven in both nature and look.

There is absolutely nothing which suggests what the race of the child need be.  It would be no less "limited" than DA2 as Hawke.

I'm just stating what the lore dictates us, sorry.
Kids from humans and elves are human, that can show some signs of their elven heritage. The only thing that looked a little odd for a human were Feynriels slightly pointed ears and his slender build, if you ask me.

With that as lore background we would only have human and half-dwarf as a possible race for the OGB. And I don't think we ever saw a half-dwarf in the games... would be interesting to see one.

[Wee Joe Green]

TJPags wrote...

Wee Joe Green wrote...

TJPags wrote...

1. OGB is not canon.
2. Devs have said they don't intend to make OGB canon.
3. Even if canon, OGB is a human male - which means less character choice than in DA2.

So, yea, I'm hoping we never see the OGB again.

Why on earth would it have to be a human male?  Now that has not been stated.  In my case even, I was Dalish elven and so the child would be mixed race.  As I said before, Morrigan is also no meager human, she is one of the daughter's of Flemeth - and let's not even start speculating preciself what she is!

1.  If there is a child, Morrigan says the child is a boy - that's male.  You concede that, correct?
2.  A Human and Morrigan have a human.  An elf and Morrigan have an essentially human child - Fenriel notwithstanding.  Devs have said this.  Dwarf and Morrigan have a somewhat short, human child.  Again,. devs have said this.

And Morrigan is indeed human.

But like you just explicitly stated, there are exceptions.  Fenriel being the prime example, and this was an oridinary conception to ordinary but mixed race parents.  Morrigan and the various permutations of the Warden are not ordinary parents and a child with the soul of an archdemon is not necessarily going to be subject to the relatively indecisive rules.

[Wee Joe Green]

I'm sorry but it's all just too speculative and there are too many variables for any of us to assert anything as fact.

[TJPags]

Wee Joe Green wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Wee Joe Green wrote...

TJPags wrote...

1. OGB is not canon.
2. Devs have said they don't intend to make OGB canon.
3. Even if canon, OGB is a human male - which means less character choice than in DA2.

So, yea, I'm hoping we never see the OGB again.

Why on earth would it have to be a human male?  Now that has not been stated.  In my case even, I was Dalish elven and so the child would be mixed race.  As I said before, Morrigan is also no meager human, she is one of the daughter's of Flemeth - and let's not even start speculating preciself what she is!

1.  If there is a child, Morrigan says the child is a boy - that's male.  You concede that, correct?
2.  A Human and Morrigan have a human.  An elf and Morrigan have an essentially human child - Fenriel notwithstanding.  Devs have said this.  Dwarf and Morrigan have a somewhat short, human child.  Again,. devs have said this.

And Morrigan is indeed human.

But like you just explicitly stated, there are exceptions.  Fenriel being the prime example, and this was an oridinary conception to ordinary but mixed race parents.  Morrigan and the various permutations of the Warden are not ordinary parents and a child with the soul of an archdemon is not necessarily going to be subject to the relatively indecisive rules.

As with TobiTobsen, I'm simply telling you what the devs have said.  We never before saw a half elven kid - and Fenriel doesn't look all that elven to me.  I'm petty sure either he or his mother actually mentions that - that he doesn't appear elven.  They've also told us a dwarf and human have children which look human, but are somewhat short.  They've also told us - and the game gives us nothing to contradict this - that Morrigan is, simply, a human woman who happens to be a mage.

It is what it is.

[MCPOWill]

Morrigan states "him" when referring to the child. OGB is a male.

[The Angry One]

Feynriel is human, he is regarded as human. A note in the slaver's place where Thrask's daughter is describes him as human. His ears aren't very pointy at all.
Danarius has pointier ears than Feynriel. Is Danarius an elf? (Hint: He has a beard).

Modifié par The Angry One, 10 avril 2011 - 04:33 .

[TobiTobsen]

Wee Joe Green wrote...

I'm sorry but it's all just too speculative and there are too many variables for any of us to assert anything as fact.

Regarding what? You mean the race of the baby? The combinations i posted above are from the lore and are backed up by the devs. They are fact. I don't need to speculate about them. Feynriel is no elf, neither will the OGB from an elven warden and Morrigan be one

Wee Joe Green wrote...

SirLogical wrote...

For Sure this happens at the end of origins, but at the end of witch hunt, she mentions a child, even if you told her to stuff herself in origins.

This is what I thought too. That's why I thought there was always some way in which the child would be incorporated into the story. But then I didn't write the game so I don't know.

I don't know if you missed the link from Torax on the first page:



In that video Morrigan has no kid, because nobody slept with her and the ritual was denied. Just to clarify the confusion about the whole "Witch Hunt says there is always a kid" stuff.

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 10 avril 2011 - 04:33 .

[Torax]

Wee Joe Green wrote...

I'm sorry but it's all just too speculative and there are too many variables for any of us to assert anything as fact.

Yet you insist on trying to state the birth of a baby from Origins as fact except that in the case of even trying to compare Leliana's return. Her death required accepting Kolgrim's offer with her in the party. Meanwhile you want a Old God Baby as your Teenage Companion cause of just barely a few final game decisions out of all the possible solutions. So for example all the Wardens that sacrificed themselves or had Loghain do the sacrifice with Alistair as king. Then they have no baby. Yet you want to insert the Baby as basically Cannon aka Fact for all players. That is not the case.

If they want to have the Maker saving Leliana from just the "I cut off her head!" cry babies? Fine. But don't throw the OGB as a screw you to all the ones who didn't want to romance or coddle to Morrigan.

Modifié par Torax, 10 avril 2011 - 04:39 .

[Wee Joe Green]

The Angry One wrote...

Feynriel is human, he is regarded as human. A note in the slaver's place where Thrask's daughter is describes him as human. His ears aren't very pointy at all.
Danarius has pointier ears than Feynriel. Is Danarius an elf? (Hint: He has a beard).

Someone's perception of another does not make them anything.  Fenriel could be elven as much as he could be human, that is merely perceptions and descriptions which you are quoting.  This does not make him a human.  Personally I thought he looked characteristically elven, not overtly so, but more so than any other human.

Modifié par Wee Joe Green, 10 avril 2011 - 04:38 .