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Will Morrigan's child be the playable character in Dragon Age 3?


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In my canon run, Alistair is the OGB father and if somehow the planets align and you are playing as the Warden again encountering him would make some great awkward moments.. (glare-eyes contest with Morrigan, go!).
But you can't just stomp all over the people who didn't and sacrificed themselves, Alistair or Loghain.


Ah, so finally you admit! ...There is room for it to be a fun option. Image IPB

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Expect the average companion ranges of say 20-Mid 30's with at times the older gray haired Father/Mother figure in the mix.

A Teenage demi-god as your side kick? Not likely.


Not referring to the demi-god part, why could they not have a teenage companion in the mix?  Why should they so rigidly stick to what has been the trend so far.  There would be nothing inherently wrong with a teenage companion, especially one who was so strong.  More than anything it's a little bit of originality and would open avenues for unique dialogue and personal demons more so than the norm.

I can imagine Varric adopting the Uncle approach over such a one.  Teaching him/her all the wrong things to do - how to cheat and gamble etc.  This is a hypothitical example, but i'm sure you can imagine the kinds of interaction i'm meaning.


Teenagers are annoying with their iPods and their Justin Bieber. I throw cats at them and yell incoherently.
Besides if we get an all-powerful teenager on our team people will start throwing accusations of DA following JRPGs around.

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If the Ritual still required her to sleep with a fresher gray warden. Then who would have slept with her? Alistair? He'd have told her F%*$ YOU! If he was Hardened he would yell it even louder. Loghain would probably slap her and shove her out the door. If she persisted he'd probably stab her. Why it doesn't make sense to force it on others. Where would she get it unless the player allows?


The ritual would have nothing to do with it in that case. Well, unless your warden died from placebo.

She could have had sex with someone else, but it wouldn't be OGB unless the ritual is done.

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Wee Joe Green wrote...

Torax wrote...

Expect the average companion ranges of say 20-Mid 30's with at times the older gray haired Father/Mother figure in the mix.

A Teenage demi-god as your side kick? Not likely.


Not referring to the demi-god part, why could they not have a teenage companion in the mix?  Why should they so rigidly stick to what has been the trend so far.  There would be nothing inherently wrong with a teenage companion, especially one who was so strong.  More than anything it's a little bit of originality and would open avenues for unique dialogue and personal demons more so than the norm.

I can imagine Varric adopting the Uncle approach over such a one.  Teaching him/her all the wrong things to do - how to cheat and gamble etc.  This is a hypothitical example, but i'm sure you can imagine the kinds of interaction i'm meaning.


You want a 14-15 year old as a companion to battle Mages, templars. Orgres, Darkspawn. Pride Demons. Broodmothers and so on? Why? Would only work from a Demi God that would explain why they aren't mince meat in seconds. One of the two 17-18 year old siblings get basically smashed in 2 seconds with the first real Ogre you fight.

Modifié par Torax, 10 avril 2011 - 05:31 .


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Well what about the Recommended Default Warden for DA2 that is presented. Both Wardens survive and indicates to me that the Dark Ritual was indeed done and that is on their canon Warden so to speak for DA2. I dont recall Alistar mentioning Loghain in that playthrough when you talk to him in the Viscount Keep. But it still implies that the Ritual might actually become canon.
But in all my playthroughs I could never recruit Loghain with Alistar not leaving or being exiled or what not and i dont remember DA:O Guide mentioning away for Loghain to be recruited with Alistar still there.

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I don't know why people want to speculate so hard about what the next game will entail... doesn't it just make you feel impatient? xD

I wouldn't want to play Morrigan's child in a game mainly because I would prefer to observe the actions of this character rather than choose what to do for him. He has the potential to have a very interesting story line which I would prefer to watch unfold.


This is a perfectly fair comment and it doesn't ensure that an important part of the game is missed out due to continuity problems.

No of course he shouldn't have to be the main playable character, it was just a fun suggestion.  But hey, look at the conversations it has sparked Image IPB

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Torax wrote...

You want a 14-15 year old as a companion to battle Mages, templars. Orgres, Darkspawn. Pride Demons. Broodmothers and so on? Why? Would only work from a Demi God that would explain why they aren't mince meat in seconds. One of the two 17-18 year old siblings get basically smashed in 2 seconds with the first real Ogre you fight.


Japanese anime/RPG law: The younger you are, the more powerful.
On average a 14 year old will be the most powerful being in the universe, anybody beyond 20 is an old fogey and should retire, aside from the occassional 50 year old badass who kills with a frown.

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DarthSliver wrote...

Well what about the Recommended Default Warden for DA2 that is presented. Both Wardens survive and indicates to me that the Dark Ritual was indeed done and that is on their canon Warden so to speak for DA2. I dont recall Alistar mentioning Loghain in that playthrough when you talk to him in the Viscount Keep. But it still implies that the Ritual might actually become canon.
But in all my playthroughs I could never recruit Loghain with Alistar not leaving or being exiled or what not and i dont remember DA:O Guide mentioning away for Loghain to be recruited with Alistar still there.


Where did you get this from?

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Herr Uhl wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

Well what about the Recommended Default Warden for DA2 that is presented. Both Wardens survive and indicates to me that the Dark Ritual was indeed done and that is on their canon Warden so to speak for DA2. I dont recall Alistar mentioning Loghain in that playthrough when you talk to him in the Viscount Keep. But it still implies that the Ritual might actually become canon.
But in all my playthroughs I could never recruit Loghain with Alistar not leaving or being exiled or what not and i dont remember DA:O Guide mentioning away for Loghain to be recruited with Alistar still there.


Where did you get this from?


It's the first on the list! Therefore it's recommended/canon.
That logic always makes me balk, but there it is.

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We don't know Flemeth's plan. For all we know the OGB is completely incidental.


No we do not.  But, we do know this was her intention for allowing her daughter to leave on the quest with the Warden.  This is stated in game at the end of Origins.

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Wee Joe Green wrote...

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We don't know Flemeth's plan. For all we know the OGB is completely incidental.


No we do not.  But, we do know this was her intention for allowing her daughter to leave on the quest with the Warden.  This is stated in game at the end of Origins.


By who, Morrigan?
"Morrigan is a girl who thinks she knows what is what more than me or anyone else."- Flemeth

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Herr Uhl wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

Well what about the Recommended Default Warden for DA2 that is presented. Both Wardens survive and indicates to me that the Dark Ritual was indeed done and that is on their canon Warden so to speak for DA2. I dont recall Alistar mentioning Loghain in that playthrough when you talk to him in the Viscount Keep. But it still implies that the Ritual might actually become canon.
But in all my playthroughs I could never recruit Loghain with Alistar not leaving or being exiled or what not and i dont remember DA:O Guide mentioning away for Loghain to be recruited with Alistar still there.


Where did you get this from?


Its in DA2 when you choose a Default Warden, the one with both Wardens surviving is the Recommended option to choose. Its called Hero Of Feralden I believe. Id confirm this with you if i had my guidebook or game with me, but my friend is borrowing both.  Just start a new Hawke and look.

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If the Ritual still required her to sleep with a fresher gray warden. Then who would have slept with her? Alistair? He'd have told her F%*$ YOU! If he was Hardened he would yell it even louder. Loghain would probably slap her and shove her out the door. If she persisted he'd probably stab her. Why it doesn't make sense to force it on others. Where would she get it unless the player allows?

Also as I stated it's not some big thing to mull over the entire game. You are told just before it that someone has to die. You or Alistair/Loghain depending on the choices you made at the Landsmeet. So then you weigh you or the companion. Go to room and Morrigan is like "This doesn't have to be so." She doesn't care if you romanced at all. She just wants to have sex for the baby. It's a silly ploy to allow the player to not die really. But not enough to make a OGB Cannon for all that made the sacrifice or had Alistair or Loghain go down in History as the ones to end the Blight.


Well, I would say as one who fully devoted themselves to romancing her that she did in fact care about the romance, but as an unintended consequence.  The baby was her primary concern but she had grown to truly love my Warden.

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I was hoping for a child with Leliana :(((((

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The potential child of Morrigan doesn't have to be a kid/teen...she/they went through that mirror deal, taking them who knows where, which could well be a place where time functions differently. If any of yall watched the TV show "Angel", look at the character Connor - he went through a portal thing as a baby and came back a few weeks later as an adolescent. Weird stuff happens when magic portals are involved.

About the gender - doesn't matter what they said before, once they go through the mirror anything can change. Pregnancy is a very tricky time, stuff can get messed up pretty easily... going through an ancient magic portal could well have side effects on the future baby. Morrigan didn't necessarily read all the instructions and warnings about not using if you may be pregnant.

I think having the PC be this dude with (part of?) an old god's soul would be a fun story, for DA3 or for an expansion/DLC. Kind of reminiscent of Baldur's Gate 1&2.

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I was hoping for a child with Leliana :(

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The Angry One wrote...

[Teenagers are annoying with their iPods and their Justin Bieber. I throw cats at them and yell incoherently.
Besides if we get an all-powerful teenager on our team people will start throwing accusations of DA following JRPGs around.


That accusation has already been flung around too much and unjustifiably if you look at the likes of the Metacritc userscores.  I've had to fight my way to have DA2 recognised for the great game it is.

But hey, if they're going to vehemently argue this anyway then why not just throw some spirit in the fire Image IPB 

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DarthSliver wrote...

Its in DA2 when you choose a Default Warden, the one with both Wardens surviving is the Recommended option to choose. Its called Hero Of Feralden I believe. Id confirm this with you if i had my guidebook or game with me, but my friend is borrowing both.  Just start a new Hawke and look.


There are three wardens, the "hero of Ferelden" one is the default of them. Recommended implies that it is better somehow, and other from your personal tastes, there is nothing that recommends it.

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It says in the book it is "recommended" because it will give you the most optional side quests to see had you never played DAO, edited to add-> but I think that is wrong, or I missed some because I had more (interesting at least) side quests with the No Compromise default option.

Modifié par SarEnyaDor, 10 avril 2011 - 05:49 .


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Wee Joe Green wrote...

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If the Ritual still required her to sleep with a fresher gray warden. Then who would have slept with her? Alistair? He'd have told her F%*$ YOU! If he was Hardened he would yell it even louder. Loghain would probably slap her and shove her out the door. If she persisted he'd probably stab her. Why it doesn't make sense to force it on others. Where would she get it unless the player allows?

Also as I stated it's not some big thing to mull over the entire game. You are told just before it that someone has to die. You or Alistair/Loghain depending on the choices you made at the Landsmeet. So then you weigh you or the companion. Go to room and Morrigan is like "This doesn't have to be so." She doesn't care if you romanced at all. She just wants to have sex for the baby. It's a silly ploy to allow the player to not die really. But not enough to make a OGB Cannon for all that made the sacrifice or had Alistair or Loghain go down in History as the ones to end the Blight.


Well, I would say as one who fully devoted themselves to romancing her that she did in fact care about the romance, but as an unintended consequence.  The baby was her primary concern but she had grown to truly love my Warden.


Also keep in mind that some of the things Morrigan told us could very well have been lies. Including things like Flemeth taking over her body. To get you to kill her so Morrigan could enact said plans on her own. She says to fear Flemeth and not her. At times I wonder if that is true. Flemeth honors deals and bargains. Morrigan not so much.

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But all in all i think the OGB should be a reward companion or something for the people who actually did the Ritual. I think they will stick with a Warden died slaying the Archdemon at the end of Origins for canon to avoid another Leliena complaint incident. OGB thing will overall be an extra reward for players that did it. Even through Id like for the thing to be canon, id rather see more on the Talking Darkspawn over this. Id rather be a Talking Darkspawn over the OGB :D

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Torax wrote...

Wee Joe Green wrote...

Torax wrote...

Expect the average companion ranges of say 20-Mid 30's with at times the older gray haired Father/Mother figure in the mix.

A Teenage demi-god as your side kick? Not likely.


Not referring to the demi-god part, why could they not have a teenage companion in the mix?  Why should they so rigidly stick to what has been the trend so far.  There would be nothing inherently wrong with a teenage companion, especially one who was so strong.  More than anything it's a little bit of originality and would open avenues for unique dialogue and personal demons more so than the norm.

I can imagine Varric adopting the Uncle approach over such a one.  Teaching him/her all the wrong things to do - how to cheat and gamble etc.  This is a hypothitical example, but i'm sure you can imagine the kinds of interaction i'm meaning.


You want a 14-15 year old as a companion to battle Mages, templars. Orgres, Darkspawn. Pride Demons. Broodmothers and so on? Why? Would only work from a Demi God that would explain why they aren't mince meat in seconds. One of the two 17-18 year old siblings get basically smashed in 2 seconds with the first real Ogre you fight.


No well of course this "demi god" child is not going to turn out to be your average undeadly teenager.  That has been my point the whole way through and this is what would make it interesting: they would be superior in many ways and would be able to hold their own, whether by magic or strength.  I was only referring to my lack of preference for referring to that child as a "demi-god".  Fitting yes, but I just didn't like the choice of words, too uninspired Image IPB

Modifié par Wee Joe Green, 10 avril 2011 - 05:49 .


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It says in the book it is "recommended" because it will give you the most optional side quests to see had you never played DAO


It sucks. You will get Fools Gold instead of Finding Nathaniel which from what I understand means you don't get Varric's final upgrade.

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DarthSliver wrote...

Well what about the Recommended Default Warden for DA2 that is presented. Both Wardens survive and indicates to me that the Dark Ritual was indeed done and that is on their canon Warden so to speak for DA2. I dont recall Alistar mentioning Loghain in that playthrough when you talk to him in the Viscount Keep. But it still implies that the Ritual might actually become canon.
But in all my playthroughs I could never recruit Loghain with Alistar not leaving or being exiled or what not and i dont remember DA:O Guide mentioning away for Loghain to be recruited with Alistar still there.


Where did you get this from?


It's the first on the list! Therefore it's recommended/canon.
That logic always makes me balk, but there it is.


Hey leave Darthsliver alone.  I can see the point you were trying to make and to some extent it makes sense.  If anything it could be indicative of the kind of options which Bioware are willing to offer in the long run - at least to those who haven't played the first two.

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Let's face it people, considering the number of outcomes which Origins presented and the number of choices you made, DA2's standard/set backgrounds which you could choose from were very limited and didn't encompass much of what was accomplished in Origins.